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Australian newspapers lead their front pages on Feb. 14 with the story of Ben Zygier, known as "Prisoner X".
The murky world of state-sponsored espionage has come under the spotlight in an Australian government report about the death of a man known as "Prisoner X" in a maximum-security Israeli prison.
Ben Zygier, who had dual Australian and Israeli citizenship, was arrested in January 2010 and was found hanged in his cell in an apparent suicide in December 2010.
His identity and reasons for confinement were unknown until he was named last month following an investigation by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
A report released Tuesday by Australian Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, shed some light on the case.
Australian media have said Zygier was imprisoned because Israel suspected he had disclosed secret details of Mossad operations.
The report confirmed Zygier was an employee of the Israeli government at the time of his arrest.
Carr stopped short of identifying Zygier as a Mossad agent, but told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation Tuesday that "open-source material" suggested Zygier "worked for the intelligence arm of the Israeli government."
"You can draw your own conclusions," he added.
'Significant uncertainty'
Israel's government has refused to release details about the Zygier case, even after a gag order that barred Israeli media from reporting on it was partially lifted.
The Australian report said that Zygier, who had lived in Israel for about ten years before his death, had been arrested by Israeli authorities on charges of national security.
The charges he faced carried penalties of up to 20 years in jail, but not the death penalty, it added.
"Significant uncertainty exists around the details of Israel’s handling of the arrest, detention and legal processes of Mr. Zygier," the report said.
But the government would await the outcome of "various inquiries underway or foreshadowed in Israel" before seeking further information, it said. Zygier had three Australian passports, all legally obtained, issued in his birth name and two other names following official name changes. He held only one passport at any one time.
Andrew Brownbill / AP, file
The grave of Ben Zygier, who died in an apparent suicide in 2010 in a maximum-security Israeli prison, at Chevra Kadisha Jewish Cemetery in Melbourne, Australia.
However, the report identified "the broader issue of the misuse of Australian passports by Israeli intelligence" as a concern of national security at the time of Zygier’s incarceration.
Although there was no suggestion that Zygier was involved in this misuse — or that he obtained his passports fraudulently — the government report said, "If media reports prove to be true that Mr. Zygier used his passport in the service of Israeli intelligence, this would raise significant questions about the appropriateness of this activity."
The issue of misused passports is particularly sensitive for Australia.
In 2010, an Australian investigation concluded that Israel had counterfeited four Australian passports used by the suspected hit squad that murdered a Hamas official in Dubai.
Australia retaliated by expelling an Israeli diplomat. Carr said there was no evidence Zygier was involved in the Dubai killing.
Related:
Controversy erupts on two continents over Israel's 'Prisoner X'
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The all do the same crap in "service of the country. Ask any CIA, KGB, or Mossad agent that the chess match will always be timeless......
"an Australian government report about the death of a man known as "Prisoner X" in a maximum-security Israeli prison."
What is the big deal?
Most nations do have citizens of other nations to do their dirty work.
In the US itself, what do the lobbyists do?
Jonathan:
The dude was Australian citizen n Israeli emploement that is per Australia not a conductive to good relations or trust going forward. Since Australia treats Israel very well and have supported it thru thick and thin. It is same as Israeli inflitrating our CIA when we are doing lot for Israel anyway and there should not be such a need.
Zygier is a perfect example of dual loyalty Jews, used to spy on people in their own native country, in this case Australia.
Perhaps he had some misgivings about the evil he was required to perform against Australia. For that, he was killed by the Israeli government.
America was betrayed by the same type people, which led to the war in Iraq and the subsequent loss of trillions of dollars in treasure, the loss of over 4500 soldiers and the wounding of 32,000 soldiers. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who served in Iraq have brain injuries, which have led to destroyed families and suicide. Here is a partial list of those Israel dual citizens who served in our Pentagon along with their job titles. They were working hard for Israel and being paid handsomely by the US taxpayer.
Unfortunately, the traitors listed below have no misgivings, they got their war for Israel.
Chairman
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Richard Perle
Deputy
Defense Secretary (Former) - Paul Wolfowitz
Under Secretary of Defense - Douglas Feith
National Security Council Advisor - Elliott Abrams
Under Secretary for Arms Control - David Wurmser
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Eliot Cohen
National Security Study Group - Edward Luttwak
Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board - Kenneth Adelman
Defense Intelligence Agency Analyst (Former) - Lawrence (Larry) Franklin ( the AIPAC
spy)
National Security Council Advisor - Robert Satloff
Great piece. You must know that now you will be branded an anti-Semite for pointing out the obvious...
Wow impressive and thank you for being the kind of citizen we americans deserve . not like Mccain Ryan and Paul Wolfowitz cabal .Not only Leading us to BOGUS fraudulent wars but also exposing us to world hate forever. Then trying to derail their own republican chuck hagel a ptriot whose only crime was to state the obvious against Israel . the christian right and Zionists hate mongerers trumpeted and built a whole empire with spreading of hate and fear against MUSLIMS demonizing them when only Zioist state owns 100 times the Nukes that their closet adversary which is 10K miles away possesses . Not to mention our industrial espionage and as per 911 plainsight documentary even the attack itself is ZIONIST sponspored
Here come the nut jobs and conspiracy theorists. Yes every Jew is a spy. Milton, how much cool-aid have you had today? Osama was a mossad agent - Right? The 19 hijackers were all Jewish. Al Queda and it's affiliates are really peaceful, loving people who are just misunderstood
Milton,
Does the nurse know you have snuck out of your room again and are using the computer at the Nurse's station? Stop spitting out your meds Milton. They are being given to you to make you better.
Milton,
Great observation. I still cannot get over the fact that our own senators chose to harass a true American hero over his remarks of "I am an American Senator, not an israeli senator"..
How could our own senators choose to follow ungrateful freeloader Israel's demands that we get into wars for them?
Thank you, RalphH.
Is it wrong to be a politician and be Jewish? Then read this:
Former FBI Special Agent John Guandolo explains that the Brotherhood is already ensuring that its influence and power seeps into American government. ”Their goal is primarily deception, manipulation and intelligence gathering,” Guandolo says. He continues:
farideh - Your worried about the Brotherhood. Take a look at the positions of power Jews hold in this country, in politics, the media, the banking industry, including the World Bank and the Judiary.
We have just been involved in 2 wars, both of which would benefit Israel with energy pipelines, The TAPI gas pipleline in Afghanistan and the 42" oil pipeline from Iraq to Haifa in Israel.
Getting back to the Australian, Israeli Mossad spy, perhaps he was going to shed light on the Mossad involvement on 9/11. If that happened, Jews throughout our country would end up in a bit of a pickle and Israel would be mud. No more aid, weapons or support in the UN.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
You are such a blatant liar that is becoming unworthy of response. Oil pipeline from Iraq to haifa? Do you blantantly think people are stupid? There is Turkey, Syria and Jordan territory between Iraq and Israel and you think your muslim terrorists, like Iranian mullahs, would let that pipeline stay there without bombing it? Are you delusional or just enjoy lying?
Iraq war was a disaster for US, Israel and the rest of the free world. It benefitted just IRAN, and only Iran, by giving them the upper hand in their conflict with Iran.
Again, your "perhaps" garbage. Ahmadinejad always denied 9/11 and holocaust. You are just re-inforcing his warped and radicalist, islamist and terrorist belief. We escaped from murderous people like you in Iran. You are a piece of .......
farideh - This is too good to be true. Here are the words of Israel's Minister of Infrastructures, Yosef Paritzky and a link to the whole article: I will wait for your apology. Hey, did you read the link on George Koval, Jewish traitor?
Once the Pentagon's choice to lead the "new" Iraq, Chalabi
promised to reopen an old British-built pipeline from Kirkuk in northern Iraq
to the Israeli port of Haifa. The plan impressed Richard Perle, Douglas Feith
and other conservatives influencing Bush administration policy toward Iraq in
the lead-up to last year's war.
The idea also drew enthusiastic response from Israel.
"The pipeline would be a dream," Yosef Paritzky, Israel's minister
of infrastructures, said as reported by Salon.com. "We'd have an
additional source of supply, and could even export some of the crude through
Haifa. But we'd need a treaty with Iraq . . . to build the pipeline."
Once Chalabi assumed a position of influence in the new Iraqi government,
Israel would get its treaty, the neoconservatives were assured.
By the way, the idea for the renewal of the pipeline was introduced by Henry Kissinger in the 1990s. The Zionists in the Pentagon had been working on the plan to remove Saddam since 1996. Saddam would not go along with the idea, so he had to go, hence 9/11 and the cherry picking of intelligence to sell the war in Iraq.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/19725/iraq-to-haifa-oil-pipeline-could-spur-economic-rebirth/
farideh - This post will prove the war in Iraq had Mossad involvement and benefited Israel. The proof is from a former Israeli general, Shlomo Brom. Every time you accuse me of making things up, I will post a rebuttal, proving I am right. I have posted this stuff several times before, but apparently your memory is sadly lacking. Mine is almost photographic.
Brom told The Associated Press in an interview Thursday that "Israeli
intelligence was a full partner with the United States and Britain in
developing a false picture of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction
capability."
Brom said Israeli intelligence "badly overestimated the Iraqi threat to Israel
and reinforced the American and British belief that the weapons existed."
Brom said the Israeli assessment may have been influenced by politics. "Israel
has no reason to regret the outcome of the war in Iraq," he wrote, noting
Saddam was an implacable enemy.
Brom ended his 25-year military career in 1998. Career officers in Israel
traditionally maintain close ties with military colleagues after their
retirement.
Yossi Sarid, an opposition member of parliament, demanded an inquiry. "If
political factors interfere with intelligence assessments, heaven help us. That
is the greatest danger," he told Israel Radio, adding that Israel's
credibility could suffer.
"When we present dire information about Iran's arming itself with nuclear weapons,
who's going to take us seriously? They can say, 'You exaggerated about Iraq,
too,'" Sarid said.
Yep, he is right - No one in their right mind would or should take Israel seriously, after that debacle in Iraq, planned and sold by Zionists.
Your ahmadinejad style rhetorics remind me of George Orwell quote - as your saying so does not prove anything but that you are a liar:
"We are all capable of believing things which we know to be
untrue, and then, when we are finally proved wrong, impudently twisting the
facts so as to show that we were right." ~ George Orwell
Farideh: Good evening. Ralphie boy is not a liar. He's a delusional bigot who truly believes his twisted conspiracy theories. A delusion is a false belief that's maintained despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary. You'll never win an argument with a delusional nut. It's not possible, unless they're heavily medicated. I hope that you'll devote your energies to more worthy endeavors. Be well.
And for all the other misguided souls, here is a good one by Solzhenitsyn:
"The simple step of a courageous individual is not to take part in the lie. One word of truth outweighs the world." ~ Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn
Basil - Please show me your incontrovertible evidence that what I believe is untrue.
I posted solid evidence proving one of the motives for the war in Iraq. Anyone with a brain, who has done a little research, knows the war in Iraq was planned and sold by Zionists led by Paul Wolfowitz, who was working in our Pentagon. The war plans were formulated in a paper called "A Clean Break: A new Strategy For Securing The Realm”, which was presented to the Israeli government in 1996, calling for the use of American power to remove Saddam from office. I posted the names and titles of the Zionists who infested our Pentagon, working under Wolfowitz , who conspired to promote cherry picked intelligence, which has all proved to be false, in order to sell the war to our politicians and the American people.
Almost anything I post, can be backed up with hard evidence, unlike the crazy pronouncements you make regarding Iran's alleged nuclear weapons program, which are feeble attempts at zionist propaganda, designed to frighten the American people into supporting an attack on Iran.
What are lobbyists of oil rich Sunni rulers, oil companies, arms industry do?
They invent enemies, invent reasons for going to wars and go to wars and make profits out of the deals!
Profits and benefits are sole concerns!
Where was the need for Iraqi wars and now sanctions on Iranian oil?
Apparently, Ralph believes that Jews are the only nation with a will of their own.
Everyone else simply has no opinion, Jews can make them do anything, therefore, when government makes a bad decision Jews are the only ones who should be held responsible.
Isn't it's nice to carry no responsibility for your actions?
Every Jew in US government was pushing for the war with Iraq like crazy, regardless where he or she was planted. There were lots of reasons, from Israeli security concerns (Saddam supported armed resistance of the Palestinian people) to those mentioned above. Ultimately it is all about money.
And that makes everyone who is not Jewish but supported war irrelevant, right?
What's new? Mossad death squads travel on the passports of their home countries.
Looks like US government is infested with Israeli citizens.
No wonder we are giving almost a billion (So far) to israel's "iron condom" project. A-holes are shooting them by the thousands to intercept dumb rockets.. hey, why not? US is paying for it..
I see why you are so frustrated about the Iron Dome. It keeps Palestinians from killing Jews, without even hurting any Palestinians to supply material for your posts.
Must really make you want to scream.
No Ely, our frustration comes from we taxpayers funding your fing iron Dome. Israelis are parasites.
This is where Ralph gets the term "parasite" from:
Jew as world parasite
http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/weltparasit.htm
I see you use the word "parasites" in many of your postings. Where did you get your terminology?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Eternal_Jew_(1940_film)
Jews as an uncivilized and parasitic people
http://brainz.org/10-most-evil-propaganda-techniques-used-nazis/
The Nazi Party accused them of being a parasitic race that attached itself to capitalist nations to destabilize the economy and culture of their ‘host’ nation.
We all know who Ralph really is. No surprise here.
Basil, I got the word parasite from grade school. I use the word to describe the Israeli reliance on sucking money from American taxpayers, of which I am one. If Jews want to support Israel, they can go right ahead and do it with their own money, not mine. Tax writeoffs to money donated to Israel should also end.
AIPAC just hosted VP Biden at their convention, all worried that they might have 20% of their annual aid package sequestered.The aid package should be ended, not sequestered. What lobby group has the vice President of America come to their party and assure them the aid will be coming and America will stop at nothing to insure Iran does not ever have a nuclear weapon. Meanwhile, Israel sits with well over 100 nuclear weapons.
Israel's economy is
thriving in a global economic meltdown. The Jewish state's 2009-12 economic
growth of 14.7 percent leads all the advanced countries of the world, followed
by Australia with 10.7; Canada 4.8; United States 3.2; Germany 2.7; France 0.3;
European Union minus 1.5 percent.
Israel is a nation of parasites. The figures show they should be able to rely on themselves, but they choose to stay on our welfare roles. This is the illustration of a parasite.
Israel repays USA with tech discoveries and intelligence, and even the aid they receive gets spent in USA.
Meanwhile, Egypt and Pakistan get aid from USA, don't spend it in USA, and do nothing in return, but they are not parasites, right?
Eli,
Its bull$hit, and you know it. Countless defense sub-contrcats go to Israeli companies along with countless other security related contrcats, not to mention IT contracts.
Without US, Israel has no country to sell to or buy from. Good luck selling UAVs to Banana republics.
Kind of late to prosecute him on misuse of an Aussie passport.
"Ben Zygier, who had dual Australian and Israeli citizenship, was arrested in January 2010 and was found hanged in his cell in an apparent suicide in December 2010."
Why is it that Australia is making a big deal out Zygier?
Assange is an Australian and is holed up in embassy of Uruguay.
Why is Australia not helping him?
'Significant uncertainty'
Really? Leave it to NBC News to come up with a title like this one.
NEVER FORGET: Israel murdered an AMERICAN citizen on the flotilla ship and was never charged or prosecuted for this crime.
NO more dual-citizenship passports with Israel, as history shows they have misused this privilege, including illegal espionage, committing of murders, kidnappings, etc. within their borders, and more egregious, in foreign countries.
REMEMBER: Israel has no Extradition Agreement with the United States, and allows convicted felons who have fled the United States to use their dual-citizenship to avoid extradition back to the United States from Israel to serve their sentences - as well as protecting suspects in crimes committed in the United States by allowing them to flee to Israel and then use their dual-citizenship to remain there and avoid prosecution since they cannot be extradited back to the United States.
NEVER AGAIN: The allowance of an American citizen, as was John Demjanjuk, whom was falsely accused and EXTRADITED to Israel for prosecution and was found not guilty of crimes, and then was again disgracefully extradited under false pretenses to Germany, by Israeli proxies, even though the FBI in this country declared the Russian documents used against him were fraudulent -unfortunately suffered for the rest of his life, including his family and friends.
Any American or foreign national who allowed, or contributed to, this disgraceful action should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, no matter their standing or political office.
It is ironic that GERMANY pardoned the German soldiers and guards from World War II, but still prosecuted the alleged lowly guard John Demjanjuk for just being assigned to the camp.
Furkan Doğan was born to ethnic Turkish parents in Troy, New York[5][6] in the United States and moved to Turkey at the age of two and lived there ever since.
In his final diary entry written on the ship, he wrote about the beauty of martyrdom:
And your point is that he should have been killed??? Why??? Because he was Muslim??? How about the USS Liberty??? Were those 34 American Citizens white enough for you??? Because they too were murdered by Israel. Just in case anyone thinks I just made it up, here is the link...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
Jay - There is a disease that allows you to remember what happened 60 years ago, but let you forget what happened yesterday. I believe you are a victim of that disease because 9/11, USS Cole, USS Stark, Ft. Hood massacre and countless embassy bombings and American killings by your brethren are conveniently forgotten. There will be a cure for this disease soon.
Farideh: The disease is called Anterograde Amnesia. Incurable.
Working for Mossad was his #1 mistake. And having conscience was a nail in his coffin. He knew too much and had to die.
I just arrived home and checked the news. I have always believed that the radical liberal left and the radical muslims posting here (the islamo-nazzi alliance like confirmed muslims: ralph, max. sicktired, AP, MCR and bob) are unemployed and on public assistance - how else all the above anti semite posters would be posting in the middle of work day - and not much presence by any other????
READ THE FOLLOWING FOR CONFIRMATION OF MY COMMENT::
article from BBC that an imam in Britain telling his followers at a mosque
that they all need to get on welfare assistance and use the monies for their
jihad ! stating " the infidels will pay for there own destruction "
Hi Kardashian,
I was wondering where you were.. Operating a financial scam? Funneling money to israeli charities to cheat our tax system? Lobbying in DC to get US to send more money to Israeli freeloaders? Shooting the TV series "Shahs of Sunset"..
In case anybody asks what kind of show its; It is iranian jew immigrants who came with their wealth to Beverly Hills.. Almost all are rich..most likely robbed/cheated the real iranians back there.. they speak Farsi, but proudly claim to be jew... What a combination; Iranian jew living in US...
Funneling money scam is the specialty of your muslim imams where you pay to your mosque and they send the money to Hamas. See Virginia "holy land" trials.
Next, we are B'ahai, and we are not so rich but studied hard, became professionals, worked hard and we are quite comfortable. Unfortunately, we have no say in government's giving our hard earned money to welfare recipients like you sitting in Deerborn doing just what the imam asked you to do - get welfare from the government.
I will be glad to answer any other questions.
There you go... I was wondering how long it would take for a right wing nutcase to call anyone who dares question Israel anti Semitic. Took long enough...
Jay - Sorry I left out your name. You kind of remind me of the 1990s movie - The Fools Rush In.
And you remind me of Adam Sandler's character, in the 2008 film You Don't Mess With The Zohan...lol
Just questioning Israel does not make one an antisemite, but to cheer for Hamas, Hezbollah or Iranian government, one does have to be either an antisemite, a true-believer-islamist or extremely stupid. In Jay's case, it's clearly the latter.
What is difference between Jews and Arabs, genetically speaking. Old Testament says they both were born of same parents. They are stupid and they fight and cannot stand each other.
That's a nice observation, would you please tell it to Hamas.
So.. let me get this straight. Australia managed to plant a double agent on the Mossad. Israel caught him, disappeared him and probably murdered him for the crime of spying for Australia, which presumably is not an enemy of Israel's. Possibly with this guy's information, Australian press is reporting that their country expelled (as in deported, not disappeared, tortured and assassinated) an israeli spy in Canberra.
Some countries would consider this to be just short of an act of war... not apparently Australia.
Where did it say Australia hired him as a double agent? I must have missed that part of the story, or did you just make up that part?.
Perhaps just like you are making up this part - as the rest of your post
"Perhaps he had some misgivings about the evil he was required to perform against Australia"
Not my conclusion.. it's what the Aussie press seems to be suggesting.. who knows what's really going on, but they seem think that the guy signed up for Mossad and then, for whatever reason, gave Mossad secrets to ASIO, even outing a Mossad agent to them. If that isn't the definition of a double agent, I don't know what is.
Terrorist Arrests and Plots Stopped in the United States 2009-2012
Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis—Plot to Bomb New York Federal Reserve Bank—October 2012
Adel Daoud—Plot to Bomb Downtown Chicago Bar—September 2012
Douglas L. Wright, Brandon L. Baxter, Anthony Hayne, Connor C. Stevens, and Joshua S. Stafford—Plot to Bomb Brecksville-Northfield High Level Bridge in Ohio—May 2012
Bakhtiyor Jumaev and Jamshid Muhtorov—Conspiracy to Provide Material Support to the Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)—March 2012
Amine El Khalifi—Plot to carry out a Suicide Bomb Attack against the U.S. Capitol—February 2012
Sami Osmakac—Plot to Bomb Locations in Tampa, Florida—January 2012
Jose Pimentel—Plot to Bomb New York City Targets and Troops Returning from Combat Overseas—November 2011
Mansour Arbabsiar—Plot to Assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States—October 2011
Rezwan Ferdaus—Plot to Attack U.S. Capitol and Pentagon— September 2011
Agron Hasbajrami—Plot to Fight in Pakistan—September 2011
Naser Abdo—Plot to Attack Targets Near Fort Hood—July 2011
Ulugbek Kodirov—Plot to Assassinate President Obama—July 2011
Emerson Begolly—Plot to Encourage Jihadist Acts in the United States—July 2011
Abu Khalid Abdul-Latif and Walli Mujahidh—Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center—June 2011
Yonathan Melaku—Plot to Shoot Targets in Washington, DC, Area—June 2011
Waad Ramadan Alwan and Mohanad Shareef Hammadi—Material Support to Al Qaeda in Iraq—May 2011
Ahmed Ferhani and Mohamed Mamdouh—Plot to Attack New York City Targets—May 2011
Joseph Jeffrey Brice—Testing Explosives and Proving Material Support to Terrorists—May 2011
Hafiz Muhammed Sher Ali Khan, Irfan Khan, and Izhar Khan,—Material Support to the Pakistani Taliban—May 2011
Kevin William Harpham—Attempt to Use an Explosive Device—March 2011
Khalid Ali-M Aldawsari—Plot to Bomb U.S. Targets—February 2011
And 10 more pages….
www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/files/serve?File_id=adec
Procrustes - Read the dossier on this fellow, named George Koval, an American born Jew, who betrayed the US by giving the secrets of the atomic bomb to Russia.
www.smithsonianmag.com/.../Iowa-Born-Soviet-Trained.html
When Jews betray their country, they do it in a big way. This guy cost America more than Jonathan Pollard. The cost of the Cold War was due to this one man.
Most of the clowns whose names you posted were a bunch of yoyos, who didn't have the intelligence, the backing or expertise to cause any significant damage. They were entrapped morons, who left to their own devices would barely have caused a ripple.
ralph - It is astounding that a murderer become an advocate for life preservation. Like you, a radical islamist who NEVER mentions his country's (Iran) murder of Americans, pretend to care about Americans.
See your country's attack on our embassy, our US navy, our US Marines and your country's spy nest that was closed on in lower fifth Avenue in Manhattan just 3 years ago. The "morons" listed by Procrusters did not cause "any significant damage"? And that is ok? you are clearly a terrorist.
Hypocrites much? or just a one sided bigot?
farideh - You keep calling me an Iranian. Where do you get your information. I explained to you that I was orn in America, served in the US Navy and have never seen Iran, although I would love to visit one day. I always have been facinated by ancient cities such as Istanbul in Turkey. I really don't know what the history of Tehran might be. Is it an ancient city. You claim you were an Iranian.
Maybe, in the future, I will call you an Eskimo or an Israeli.
This is the "other" article in today's NBC - but Iranian fanatical ralph will NOT talk about it because he is fixated on anything jewish:
By Ian Johnston, Staff Writer, NBC News
The number of refugees fleeing Syria has hit a million — nearly 5 percent of
the population — the United Nations said Wednesday, as the U.K. announced it
planned to send armored vehicles to
the rebels fighting President Bashar Assad’s regime.
This is the regime that is wholey supported and fought together by IRAN, causing a MILLION homeless refugees - half of them children. TALK ABOUT THATINHUMANITY YOUR COUNTRY IS CAUSING - RALPH.
About half those fleeing Syria were children, most under the age of 11, the
UNHCR refugee agency said in a
statement.
These are people - children - that are now homeless and refugees because of your government (Iran) atrocities and active military support of Assad regime. Talk about THAT ralph? or not jewish baiting enough for you?
Keep up the great postings Ralph. This country's "government" has helped promote this conflict of killing; one of the reasons was to destabilize certain relationships in the "Middle-East". The "rebels" have comitted many atocities.
S. Hussein was a so-called "brutal dictator", when he became "expendable". Earlier when the "government" favored him, it helped him in his Crime Against Peace against Iran where wmd chemical weapons were used and a million people died.
The biggest weapon sellers in the world include you know who, with the U.S. first on the list.
stopbs, do stop bs,
No one is forcing Syrians to kill each other, they are doing it on their own.
Whoever gives them weapons, it's their choice to accept them and use them.
US has it's flaws, Israel has it's flaws, but neither of those absolves your Arab friends of responsibility for their own actions, and when you and Ralph try to draw attention away from Arab crimes by pinning on Israel or US anything that you can think of (including partially or completely false accusations) you only embarrass yourselves.
Not embarrassed for pointing out that other countries are composed of peoples like us and in the past most were peaceful enough in the Middle East, not the degree of violence as now. Someone came up with the idea "Arab Spring", maybe we need a "Spring" here. And what lies caused Iraq. Your logic is gee the U.S. has flaws, Israel has flaws. Well, other countries have flaws, the largest weapons seller is the U.S., hundreds of thousands were killed, maimed, displaced in Iraq, 2 million died in Vietnam, etc., these are pretty big "flaws" that many just gloss over, and then verbally attack all Arabs, or whatever is your flavor of the month, South Americans, Chinise, Koreans, Russians.
This is an indication of a failed "human" condition. Even WWII killed over a hundred million innocent people. If this is a way of lessening the population, paring down, it seems there must be better solutions.
My logic, is don't blame your problems on others.
Lest anyone forget:
Israel was born of terrorists (Stern, Irgun) and operated by terrorists (Begin, Sharon, Netanyahu).
No one should be the least bit surprised by ANYTHING they do.
Implacable: Unfortunately, Israel learned from the master Muslim terrorists who predated even the Nazi murderers by 20 years. Look up the 1920 Nabi Musa riots that happened long before Stern and Irgun were conceived. "Lest anyone forget:" The activities of the Stern and Irgun were but a drop in the ocean compared with the number of homicide bombings perpetrated by the Muslims against all religions since the 1920s. Implacable: You and your reasoning skills (or lack thereof) are indeed pathetic.
"Nabi Musa was a pilgrimage holiday that flooded Jerusalem with Muslims. It had been instituted by Salah a Din to counter the large number of Christian pilgrims who swelled the city at Easter. The troubles began on the morning of April 4. The pilgrims were greeted by rallies and demonstrations that included incitement speeches and calls to massacre the Jews, led by Hajj Amin el Husseini, his uncle, the mayor of Jerusalem, Musa Kazem al Husseini and Aref el Aref. The Arabs chanted "Filasteen Arduna wa'al yahud Kilabuna" (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs) "Itbach al Yahud (slaughter the Jews) and other slogans that became the hallmarks of such massacres. British police applauded."
http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Nebi_musa.htm
@Implacable: The desire of the Muslims to commit Jewish genocide has existed since the days of Allah and did not start with the onset of the Arab-Israeli conflict. With regards to imposing Sharia law, they make no distinction between lands originally Muslim and lands that they conquered by force. They are also not in favor of "peaceful solutions," and prefer to kill or be killed. They believe that the Jews started the French Revolution and the first and second world wars and their views on Jews and financial institutions are comparable to the Nazis. They claim freedom of all religions under Islam though go on to say that "Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people" and that "Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam."
The Covenant
of the
Islamic Resistance Movement
18 August 1988
Link below
Article Six:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a distinguished Palestinian movement, whose allegiance is to Allah, and whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned. In the absence of Islam, strife will be rife, oppression spreads, evil prevails and schisms and wars will break out.
The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Article Eleven:
The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. Neither a single Arab country nor all Arab countries, neither any king or president, nor all the kings and presidents, neither any organization nor all of them, be they Palestinian or Arab, possess the right to do that. Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?
This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.
Article Thirteen:
Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight. "Allah will be prominent, but most people do not know."
Article Fifteen:
"I swear by the holder of Mohammed's soul that I would like to invade and be killed for the sake of Allah, then invade and be killed, and then invade again and be killed." (As related by al-Bukhari and Moslem).
Article Twenty-Two:
For a long time, the enemies have been planning, skillfully and with precision, for the achievement of what they have attained. They took into consideration the causes affecting the current of events. They strived to amass great and substantive material wealth which they devoted to the realisation of their dream. With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about, here and there. With their money they formed secret societies, such as Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonize many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.
You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it.
Article Twenty-Eight:
Israel, Judaism and Jews challenge Islam and the Moslem people. "May the cowards never sleep."
Article Thirty-One:
The Islamic Resistance Movement is a humanistic movement. It takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance when dealing with the followers of other religions. It does not antagonize anyone of them except if it is antagonized by it or stands in its way to hamper its moves and waste its efforts.
Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other. Peace and quiet would not be possible except under the wing of Islam. Past and present history are the best witness to that."
Look up: "Avalon Project: Hamas Covenant 1988," Yale University School of Law for more information.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Implacable: Comment on the above please. Your "stern and Irgun" argument is growing weaker with each righteous posting.
Basil - Where is the problem? Some Palestinians are rightfully unhappy with the theft of their land by Eastern European Jews. One could print out the Protocals of the Elders of Zion or some of these quotes.
"We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live
here as slaves."
Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of
General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
. "We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one
centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We
shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all
fours."
Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces -
Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation,
and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab
population."
Israel Koenig, "The Koenig Memorandum"
. Rabin's description of the conquest of Lydda, after the completion of Plan
Dalet. "We shall reduce the Arab population to a community of
woodcutters and waiters"
Uri Lubrani, PM Ben-Gurion's special adviser on Arab Affairs,
1960. From "The Arabs in Israel" by Sabri Jiryas.
Basil Romeo, you're a real dog. I demand you put on your flea collar lest the rest of us become infested.
"One could print out the Protocals of the Elders of Zion"
Ladies and gentlemen, note that he does indeed believe it.
Wow, I never thought MSNBC Online printed these kinds of articles. Pretty bold! I heard or read about this on Democracy Now! and few other outside newspapers - outside the country that is.
Rachel Maddow on MSNBC said that she gets huge number of hate mails when she talks about "drones" and "war" issues. I wonder how many she'll get if she listed out RalphH's list?
Citizenship duality or identity plurality alone do not indicate disloyalty, spying or espionage...but there is something unfair that immigration offices, many institutions, pay intrusive unfair attention, to legal residents or naturalized citizens from Latin America, Middle East or Asia...but others can get away with a lot of protection, privilege and power. That is not fair!
Kindly discuss these matters with facts and knowledge. The vitriolic comments that have come out of some people after articles on Hugo Chavez was very disconcerting.
Luckily Rachel Maddow, for all her flaws is neither a truther nor an antisemite.
I like Rachael Maddow. The piece they did called "Hubris" on MSNBCwas excellent. However, it didn't do enough to reveal the roles of the neocons in the Pentagon.
Yes rachel is a good girl, but somehow she stops short when the subject is israel, perhaps because she is jew.
I strongly believe she thinks israel stinks..
Rachel is one of those true liberals who hope to appease everybody by being as neutral as possible and avoiding anything that makes one or other side jumpy (in case of pro-Islamist crowd, that's pretty much anything that has to do with Arab violence).
Well, if you guys keep accusing her of not doing enough for your side, may be she will realize that the only way to earn your satisfaction is to start actually sharing your antisemitic values and downright insane logic, and show her that the only way to remain in the sane zone is to give up neutrality and start supporting Israel.
So, by all means, carry on.
Check with the original source and hat is being reported in Australia. Australia's two(2) highest foreign affairs officials- Dennis Robertson (head of agency) and 1st dept.minister Greg Mortiarty were informed right away that Ben Ziegler was arrested- they handed the matter over to ASIO (spy agency) in direct violation of the duties to Australian citizens whether dual citizens or not. Ben Zeigler's family visited him in the prison 50 times- he had his own lawyer the whole time. At NO TIME was Ben Ziegler's AUSTRALIAN PASSPORT USED for any purpose. http://www/theage.au/opinion/political-news/20130306=2flg5.html.
This is a danger for Jews all over the world.
Are they loyal to the country of their citizenship and residence or to Israel?
Do they have America's interest more thatn they have Israel's interest.
Will they fight Israel wars but refuge to fight American wars.
Ultimately these character exhibited in all the countries give a leg to anti semitism and takes out
a rug form under those who are friends with Jews and care for them.
Looks to me as if the worthless muslims of the world and their lovers are plain jealous. From what I understand there are about 15 million jews in the world (about 0.20% of world population) compared to about 1.6 billion muslims (23% of world population).
And yet about the only thing them muslims are contributing is bombings and beheadings. Take a look at this great site: www.thereligionofpeace.com
You guys are worthless!
farideh - Iran has nothing to do with the turmoil in Syria. They are friends of the Syrian government, but they do not call the shots. They may be helping Assad stay in power in small ways. Once again, you are going overboard.