Only if they keep him by the window. GMWDS!

I'm anxiously awaiting Chavez on Ice......can't you see it now, a coffin in red spinning across the ice with little fists held high by impoverished children.....kinda makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.

The "elitists" by the way Alan, are the buffoons in government who THINK they can run private industry better than the people who actually DO THE WORK, which in the end SCREWS the people. Kinda makes me wonder....do you work????

Looks like a good opportunity for a Drone strike !

JE,

The CIA has been proven to have been a bane to the US, that's true, but, Hugo Chavez was a bully and a murderer. Not only did he kick ALL foreign owned industry out, and took ownership by force, he killed any of those who tried to protect their peoperty. Basically using the same "Immanent Domain" (The power to take private property for public use by a state, municipality, or private person or corporation authorized to exercise functions of public character, following the payment of just compensation to the owner of that property) although he warped that last part, or just flat out killed the owners. That may not be dissengenuous to the people of Venezuela, but he pocketed the profits. I think his estimated net worth at the time of his death is $4 billion.

The people of Venezuela saw very little of the money that was brought in from the Natural Gas industry or any of the foreign industry he took over, only him and his "Chosen".

Alan you got the facts from Lurch23, couldnt say it better myself. now STFU!!

twodogsfkg, those weren't election you fool, he controlled the ballot boxes and the count.

The fact that anyone at all believes that Castro, Chavez or communist dictators like them do any good is indicitive of a severe problem in this country.

Communists always exploit the poor and uneducated. They toss them a few freebies and benefits - which only cements their impoverished conditions, while telling them how much they "care" and want to help them. Their freedom is taken away along with their opportunities, their dignity and their hope for a truly better life, while the ruling class elite live in mansions and travel in private jets and limousines..

The poor most often buy into it, because they just don't know any better, and they believe the lies they're told.

Communist governments become brutal toward anyone who disagrees with them, they terrorize and murder their own citizens who have managed to attain prosperity and confiscate their property and wealth, usually gained from a lifetime of hard work.

Low-information voters are always easily duped into supporting their own destruction. Brainwashing by a centrally controlled education system, and a complicit media are all it takes for a takeover of a democratic country. Gain 51% of the votes by whatever means, and the entire country falls. The most clever aspect of this method of takeover by subversion is that the subversive government can claim the voting victory as a legitimate transfer of power.

We are seeing it unfold right here before our very eyes.

Alan 1.2

I noticed your post forgot explain how a man for the people amassed a $2 BILLION dollar nest egg?

Alan is just stating facts. Canada is closer, better, safe and don't need to learn a new language if you are looking for a socialist country

FYI Robbie the Robot....Canada has a majority CONSERVATIVE government in place and is not a "socialist country" as you refer. We have medicare and other plans along the lines of European countries having followed their lead rather than the USA model. My position like most people is that I am "conservative on some issues....liberal on others" and that I gather is where the allegiances of most people lay.

Anybody else here notice MS/NBC always seems to have a hard-on for Communist/Socialist/Marxist leaders.

Well, so he's like Stalin then. Stalin was on ice for the longest time too! We know how beloved he was by his people. Alan, I realize you might be young and naive, so you are forgiven, but there are a few facts you need to be aware of. One is the US media and liberal politicians and celebrities have had an ongoing love affair with all things socialist. They've praised Stalin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. I have no clue why, but they, like you, seem enamored with the ideal of equality. Yet, the ideal and reality are always different. Remember when Michael Moore came out with his movie praising Cuba's medical system and tearing apart ours? The libs ate it up. Sadly, though, they believed it. Yet the movie was banned in Cuba. Why? As Castro eventually admitted, he didn't want his people to believe that they were supposed to be getting the quality of care portrayed by Moore. In other words, the reality is a heck of a lot different than the ideal.

So, don't believe everything you read or hear about Chavez. Sure, you'll see people in Venezuela praising him and you probably won't see anyone criticizing him. It's not because everyone loves him either. It's because they want to live. They know that to criticize him could be tantamount to a death sentence, just like in China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, etc. Plus, that's not the image the US media wants to protray.

Dear libtards,

Take a look at the poverty rate in Venezuela. That's where progressivism gets you.

Detroit anybody?

Love,

The party of "know"

J E Burton - That must be why the left wingers in Washington showed up to the state funeral eh?

President? Nope. Vice President Biden then? Nope. Secretary of State Kerry? Nuh uh. Reid? Nada.

You have to go all the way down to a member of the House and some retired dude to see who we sent.

They must have drawn the short straws at the liberal fundraiser a couple of days ago...

I wonder what was offered to these people or they were told to show up or face retaliation? Seems so strange to see this many people show up for a guy like this....and not to surprised to see the nut-job from Iran to make his appearance. Now we will see what happens next......

Red Carpet.....Bollywood......and Democrats.

Nice mixture.

"Representing the United States – one of Chavez’s favorite targets — were two Democratic politicians, New York Congressman Gregory Meeks and former Massachusetts Congressman William Delahunt, the Associated Press reported."

So we send two of our brightest to Venezuela not realizing that current President Maduro just said America caused the death of their dear leader. Maybe they should arrest all the Hollywood representatives for carrying the infection there and poisoning their dear leader. Prehaps, Delahunt and Meeks can explain to "Mad-dog" Maduro just how we accomplished this grand feat of science and technology. Maybe they can give him a personal demonstration.

Just a little sarcasm there folks.

I don't wish anyone actual harm but maybe we should nationalize Citgo to show Maduro just how much we learned from Chavez and how much our country has learned by watching the example.

Next

Leaders who are popular with the poor will always be despised in the U.S. by the wealthy who take everything from our own poor - and by the rednecks who are too stupid to know they've been taken advantage of all their lives by the "haves".

@ Chris E,

Your problem is you think the end justifies the means. In no successful country can you lead by subjecting the populace to continued slavery and restricted freedom. When you ignore the Law of Liberty you eventually find the need for regime change. In no case in world history has a kingdom, government, or society lasted when that law is violated. It is like the Law of Gravity, you ignore it at your own peril. The more educated the populace the more liberty needs to be extended. Self governance is always more successful than government mandate. Our country was founded on this main principal and all the major parties at the time recognized the necessity to extend that freedom to everyone. It was and is a long struggle but eventually that liberty is being extended to all Americans regardless of race, religion, sex, or origin. When we deny that opportunity to others we are in danger of making our nation follow the course of my way or the highway. Many are choosing the highway and wealth is fleeing the United States for other countries. Just look at Denise Rich for a progressive example if you like.

It is necessary for our government to have the friction of opposing views that create compromise and better governance. We are in trouble because most of the legislature thinks they are elite and we the people are just ignorant peasants. This is creating division along the lines of economic status, race, gender, and origin in this country and it must stop for us to continue to advance as a people and a nation.

As other similar dictators have come to be seen with the passing of time

you mistake Chavez for a dictator, which he clearly was not. Popular with the electorate? yes. A dictator? No.

Leaders who are popular with the poor will always be despised in the U.S. by the wealthy who take everything from our own poor - and by the rednecks who are too stupid to know they've been taken advantage of all their lives by the "haves".

It wasn't even Chavez's outreach to the poor in Venezuela that pissed of US interests. It was his nationalization of the oil industry that ruffled our feathers.

It seems most every self made populist dictator who rises to power by campaigning that they are going to elevate the poor ends up being very wealthy personally, takes control of the media, squelches any form of free speech or opposition, and exploits the resources of the country to the benefit of themselves and select cronies. Meanwhile the numbers of the poor actually rise, middle classes are wiped out, and you end with a wealthy elite and lots of government dependant poor. Chavez did nothing new, creative or special. He was just Castro lite. Good riddens and hope the Castros meet the grim reaper next.

Dear libtards,

Take a look at the poverty rate in Venezuela. That's where progressivism gets you.

Dear non-realist (your name does not fit). Take a look at how the poverty rate decreased substantially during Chavez's administration.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/oct/04/venezuela-hugo-chavez-election-data

Love him or Hate him, Chavez did some good and some bad in his country. Overall, he was tremendously popular and re-elected handily multiple times. And that's all you really can say about the man. HIS people saw fit to repeatedly elect HIM and allow HIS policy initiatives to move forward.

Those of us in the United States should have NO INTEREST in telling other democracies how to run their countries, and because Chavez repeatedly reminded the US of that fact he was heavily demonized in our press. But it doesn't matter, because we don't vote in Venezuelan elections...

It seems most every self made populist dictator

again, he was NOT a dictator. The sooner people start referring to him as what he was, that is the democratically elected President of Venezuela (with elections verified by numerous election watchdog groups, assuring they were free and fair), the sooner we can have an informed debate.

Meanwhile the numbers of the poor actually rise, middle classes are wiped out, and you end with a wealthy elite...

except the number of poor did NOT rise, and the middle class was NOT wiped out. You have wealthy elite everywhere, they are not alone in Venezuela.

Another wacko jerk off planet earth..good!

For you libs that want to give this guy a great big hug, this oil rich nation is sitting on 22% inflation, enough said.

Roger 52, and that exactly why you can't give hand-outs that you can't aford to give in perpetuity, because eventually everyone's money (including those getting the hand-outs) aren't worth the paper they're printed on.

That the libtards are too dense to learn from the mistakes of others is exactly why our country is doomed.

The Spanish media channels did a report on the three big lies Chavez told from the beginning of his power; they show an early interview with him where he is asked three questions where he did exactly the opposite to his then answer; no government control through nationalization or expropriations, no looking to perpetuate in power, and talking his opinion about Cuba as dictatorship and if he had the same plans for Venezuela; he denied all three but after 14 years, besides giving some much needed services and assistance to the poor; his record is devastating, even more than when he took power; catastrophic for the country; his legacy weight more on chaos than on problems solved.

That said:

Why in the hell the Spanish news or ALL the news in US do not do a report about the LIES Obama has told us and keep telling us and about his real intentions of socializing and "changing" this our beloved country to be a Venezuelan, Egypt, Cuba, China models?

Chavez has told three lies in 14 years; Obama has told 3000+ lies since he took office and will keep lying!!

Why focus on Chavez and what he is done? He is gone and I am sure that whatever he has done right he would have his credit for it and whatever he have done wrong he is being judged now by the almighty but Obama have done NOTHING right and he is in a path of destruction of our country with the blame game his administration plays, with his agendas, with his Communist ideals, his everyday inflicting damage into US citizens lives and families, his destruction of our core values and in a no very far future he will position himself to try and amend the US constitution and bill of right to re-elect himself indefinitely if given the chance; all in the sake of "saving" America!

Chavez hated the "empire" and its policies and administration, but no much of shows of hate towards the Obama administration and one wonders why; for the inquiring minds out there there are still information on the Internet to long to include here; I suggest you look it up!

Chavez died from Cancer; Obama and his administration ARE the Cancer for our country, for our society, for our liberty and our freedom; but the mainstream media outlets are to much of cowards to bring the true to the average ignorant Americans out there!

Hello folks, Mr. Hugo Chavez stood up to the western plutocracy and did not allow his countries resources to be hijacked by the corporate cartels. While chastised by the western media, Mr. Chavez never took his country to war over false flags nor did he use drones to murder innocent men, women and children. The sheeple will continue to ostracize this man as they are prone to their indoctrination.

RIP Mr. Chavez.

These whinny libs became wealthy in this country because of "Capitalism" and every chance they get they trash the USA and complain about everything. I am sick of the BS coming from these spoiled little RICH snot nosed left-wing morons.

Alan Pugh,

You make all liberals look pathetic with such ignorance. If he is so for the poor, how did he amass 2 billion dollars in wealth? Yeah, he drove down poverty, and increased literacy, but on a smaller scale and slower than Latin America as a whole. He was brutal and destroyed his opposition. You know he kept getting re-elected because he took out his opposition and rigged many elections right? Its sad that libbies love dictators that are on the left. You guys probably wouldnt mind goose stepping along with Comrade Obama would you?

The list of people who mourned him...interesting. These are people who stand for slavery and the end of personal freedoms through a Socialist regime. Have a working population and then take what they make away from them so that people who do nothing and provide nothing can be paid by the state for the enslavement of the rest of the population.

Disgusting. And Chavez was a prick.

Hey John Galt, Hitler was never elected. Check your facts, or you will sound like you don't know what you're talking about. Oops, too late.

Jesse Jackson and Sean Penn can stay in Venezuela for all I care. Why are they showing support for an enemy of this country....unless they are too.

"movie star Sean Penn and the Rev. Jesse Jackson — gathered in Caracas Friday to bid farewell"

Shame on any American who ever listens to anything these two losers have to say. They have ZERO credibility.

There are plenty of socialist and communist countries out there. So all of you 'americans' that support Chavez, feel free to move to one of these other countries. Stop trying to change our country into one of these failed countries.

healthcare was brought to every corner of the country for the first time

Chavez himself went to Cuba for treatment...do you even listen to yourselves liberals?

HIS people saw fit to repeatedly elect HIM and allow HIS policy initiatives to move forward.

AH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Joseph Stalin was also "repeatedly elected." Chavez left Venezuela worse off than how he found it. He didn't help the poor as much as he made more people poor so that everyone lived in equal misery. Trickle-up-poverty.

Every Communist in the.......Hey!.......Where's OBAMA!

Well-known fans of the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez,from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to movie star Sean Penn and the Rev. Jesse Jackson chose to attend chavezs' funeral.

And none of these a$$wipes should ever be allowed to cross the border into the USA ever again! If anything should get somebody on to a no-fly list and a state dept. watch list, being freinds with an anti-American dictator like Chavez should!

I was hoping they would do like the arabs and parade his coffin all over town and have the mob overflow cause his body to spill to the ground.

Jesse Jackson, the ambulance chaser, would circle any steaming cow patty to get his name in the public.

Sean Penn, XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX " " " " " " " " " " " " " .

Did Dennis Rodman not get the memo?

People in Venez pay 10CENTS for a gallon of gas. And WE Brainwashed "Anti Socialist" Little Fools of the American Evil Rich pay $5.00 for a gallon of gas...Gosh, Golly and Gee... And And And... The top exec AT Exxon JUST GOT A $40,000,000Bonus. It IS THE Classic Story of the Evil Rich getting away with it Until THEY ARE STOPPED BY LETHAL FORCE. Cops Do NOT Care Except who is signing their paychecks for $100Thousand a year.....

The French in 1790 solved their Rich VS Poor Problem....With the help of THE MADAM...................

I wonder who killed more innocent people? Chavez in 14 years as a president or Bush in 8 years as president..??

Sean Penn hasn't done anything of value since Fast times at Ridgemont High. Every thing he has done since has been a steaming pile of self riteous crapola. And i'm glad his character in Dead man walking got executed. It made me want to continue the death penalty in perpetuity because of teh preachyness of Penn and Sarandon. How much of Sean's fortune has he given to the poor?. So hypocritical to bash our nation but do nothing to solve the problem. I hate liberal pukes. sucks because i really liked Fast times...

1. Who, exactly, did Bush kill, Chepe the Genius,...and please be specific, no DNC talking points crap about innocent bystanders in Iraq....name names!

2. I wonder how much Venezuela would need to keep Jesse and Sean there permanently.

George Bush was the greatest president our nation ever had. His leadership on 911 was second to none. As only Republican presidents can, he made the world wake up to the fact that despite our peace loving cowards back at home, their are still people who believe America to be the greatest country in the world and we really don't care how many necks we step on to achieve it. That is the differnce. I will never apologize for any of America's actions. Note how i didn't say mistake. America doesn't make mistakes and certainly shouldn't ever admit to any even if so. Cheer for America, bad or good. Or get out. We aren't going to allow you to change America into some melting pot hinterland that is ashamed of itself. Be proud or STFU.

So, what IS IT about Hollywood and the Left always siding with AMERICA'S ENEMIES??? Speaks volumes as to whose side they're on. It ain't ours, is it?

have you Right wingers noticed that "liberal" MSN placed the Good Unemployment news in a forum with no comments section? Did you notice the "record high" dow has no comment section either? lol, tell me again how "liberal", they are. lol

And as For Chavez, your in gods hands now, if you have sinned, I hope Jesus forgives you. Just like i'll hope Jesus forgives Bush for all his horrible murderous sins.

Just a note: I don't recall Chavez killing anyone, or starting any wars. I'm pretty shure he never attacked America. His only real sin is loving people over profits. dam that evil sob. lol How dare he kick Exxon and Mobil out of his nation. and lets not forget the queens company, BP, which stand for "British Polluter"

Can someone answer a simple question?

Why is it that the Socialist loving Liberals/Progressives always march out their utopian nations like Venezuela or the Scandinavian nations?

NONE of them have over 30 million people in them,slightly bigger than Texas. Hell most of the Scandinavian nations barely have 10 million people, the size of Michigan.

Show me a nation with more than 300 million people, today or historically, that has EVER created the socialist utopia.

And for those of you who always point to our great Northern neighbor Canada you obviously missed your public education history class that day. If they even teach the real truth about it anymore.

Twenty years ago Canada underwent a deep recession and was on the brink of a debt crisis as a result or uncontrolled government spending. The Wall Street Journal described them as becoming an “honorary member of the third world” and the “northern peso” as its currency. But with common sense economics they cut spending, balanced their budget and enacted true pro-market reforms. Their economy boomed, unemployment dropped the usually weak Canadian dollar reached parity with the U.S. dollar.

If you love Venezuela so much I recommend you call Sean Penn or the Reverend Jackson. I'm sure they can hook you up.

Spider thanks for the compliment. I would like answer your question but I'm out of time right now.. Instead I encourage you to do your own research. You will learn more that way.

Wow, that certainly is some line up of celebrities..... starting with "Rev." Jesse Jackson - it just goes downhill from there.

Blackbird? are you some kind of left wing hippie? your saying that a mixture of capitalism and socialism is a good thing? Well welcome the world of our founding fathers and the democrats. welcome aboard. lol

Hey Jim Spence, can you answer one question? How come the "socialist" president has a 7.7 unemployment rate(down from Bush 9.9) and a dow of over 14k (up from Bush's 7k) and a trade deficit that is down 20% and a record amount of oil being pumped right here in America without polluting Alaska? What part of this good news are you calling SOCIALIST????????????

Earth to Jim earth to Jim, Do you read me? come in Jim. lmfao@u.

May Sean Penn and Jesse Jackson move to Venezuela. If they liked Chavez so much maybe they should

give up the luxuries they have been given in this country and experience a dictatorship firsthand, but I doubt that will happen because they speak out of both sides of their mouth. It is trully disgusting to think that there are americans who trully believe that things in communist countries are so good. Good riddence to you all.

Hey George PaulJohn, You are way off, in the first place the lower unemployment # is because there are less people in the workforce, you certainly ought to know that the market is only temporary and pumping oil in this country????? Are you kidding me??? where are the lower gas prices if that is the case. I hope reality hits you soon, moron! your dreamworld utopia will not be happening. Beatles fan ?????

imagine, your glen beck logic is what is off, so explain why the trade deficit went down 20%>

Or explain why Aig and the banks have paid off the bail out money.

The jobs numbers, 235k last month? lol

there are no lower gas prices cause exxon is screwing you, not because there is a shortage. their claim is "high cost of refining" and lack of refineries. which they closed three of. funny how veneuala refines gas for less then 10 cents a gallon.

Get out more, before you call me names and iinsinuate that i'm wrong. you are a credit to liars all over the planet.

oh, and UTOPIA this! lol

Pull their passports & make them stay with there.......

You want communism..... here you go.....

if only you knew the difference between a socialistic democracy and communism. this conversation would be much easier. lol they have almost an identical system with England lol

Steve, thank heavens there is someone with sanity on this page . I could not agree with you more.

Yes, by all means, I'm thankful Jesse Jackson and Sean Penn have been able to find the TV cameras in Venezuela. It never ceases to amaze me the amount of leftist drivel that cretins like these will swallow. Shouldn't surprise anyone, I guess; Hollywood fools have been fellating Marxists for 80 years and counting. Yep, Stalin was the wave of the future. Never mind those 30 million corpses. Not to worry, he's just building the socialist utopia, which is what we all want, after all. This clown Chavez is just the latest chapter. Universal health care, you bet. That's why he went to Cuba for his cancer treatment; another Marxist dictatorship that's worked out really well. Too funny. Whoever mentioned above that this funeral would be a perfect opportunity for a drone strike was right on.

Well said Imagine57. And for you BrainwashedRepuboBrats, If you think It is Yankee Doodle Dandy American Patriotic Paying $4.50P/G for gas when the Venez pay 10CENTS P/G, then the corporate Shill teachers did a great job of DumbDowning your education. You morons were Told What to Believe NOT How to Think.

He's gone people, He did what every great man does, thinks he is GOD and that he alone can solve all problems. If he was so great why did he have to do the same thing that Castro did. That is every time he wanted to rally his people he blamed the USA of A for something and it seemed to work for him. He sure sold us a lot of oil. If he wanted to screw us up all he had to do was refuse to sell it to us. He liked them GRINGO DOLLARS.

So, Hugo is great hero, is he? He brought health care to all, housed the homeless, erased illiteracy, (actually only among the upper classes), yada, yada. But at what cost? Nationalizing every industry and business in the country and taking a huge chunk for himself. Just like every other leftist dictator that every was. Yes, he was elected, once. His term since has been by self declaration. like Charles Taylor, Stalin, Fidel Castro, Pol Pot and a host of other leftists turned gods for life. Nationalizing all business just means the dictator gets rich, those in favor get rich and everything and everyone else depends on the dictators generosity. How appropriate some of our own socialists make an appearance to their fallen idol.

Phantom.....did you know what our president said before he got elected the FIRST time? He hoped our gas prices would get as high as EUROPES. He stated that would probably be the only way to persuade Americans to quit using so much gas. Europes prices are 7.00 dollars a gallon and a whole lot more. That is what OBAMA and his energy secretary want. If only you would have searched the truth BEFORE Obama was elected we would ALL be better off. I THINK..... you only listen to the leftist media.

CITGO....is Venezuelas gas stations here in the USA. Their stations have put their flags at half staff in honor of Chavez. I will never give them a penny of my hard earned money ever again, because of Chavez's hatred of America.

"Chavez did good things....."

"Mussolini did good things...."

"Napoleon did good things...."

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Chavez died rich; his worth measured at the billion dollar mark. He used his oil to buy influence at his pleasure, and for the camera.

The simple fact Chavez allied himself with Iran is an instant disqualifier for any support of Chavez.

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any chance that one of these crackpot leaders could take Jackson & Penn off of our hands?????

Sean Penn the spokesperson of the left wing liberals glad he is now acquanted with Adennanutjob from Iran...makes for good company.

Commie lovin', anti-American celebs should just stay in Venezuela. Every last POS one of them.

@Alan Pugh Pay no mind to these IGNORANTS SOBs they all can go,, and.. read my avatar..

justredd- Yes to that, and he's finally found someone as butt ugly frightening as he is.

It's amazing what the stink of corruption will bring out of their holes.... the Rev J.Jackson, Ahmadinejad, Sean Penn, and others..... unbelievable!

Chavez will always be my hero!

Sean Penn, Jesse Jackson, Ahmadinejad, Castro, Chavez........Birds of a feather flock together.

Seriously, I am so sick of these celebrities who take advantage of the freedoms of this country and then put it down. Do they really think they could have achieved the same fame and fortune under those communist/socialist dictatorships? They are digusting hypocrites on the grandest scale. They need to put their money where their mouths are and get the hell out of here. I wonder why Jackson, Jr. didn't seek medical treatment in Venezula or Cuba-- aren't their health care systems superior to ours?

I also note that all the posters supporting Chavez and his ilk on this thread do so from the safety of the good old US of A.

"Sources close to Chavez and his socialist party told Al Jazeera that senior government planners generally assumed - like leftists the world over - that crime is caused primarily by poverty and inequality. Address the root causes, they reasoned, and crime will decrease. But the data hasn't borne out those conclusions, leaving many scratching their heads."

With a murder rate 4.5 times greater than Mexico, roving gangs of bandits in the city and the country, kinappings a growth industry . . . . Wow we should be so blessed, no? Wait, wasn't there an article on Camden today?

I don't really care that the left loves the likes of Chavez despite the kind of person he really was. What I do care is that the left wants to replicate all of the things Chavez stands for in my country. It is liberty, not equality, that produces the most wealth for the most people. Mr. Chavez helped to equalize the misery in his country and it would be a massive mistake to think this equates to progress. So Mr. Chavez isn't my enemy. Despotism and socialism are my enemies. And the left in our country favors both...in spades.

Our constitution has several powers it gives to Congress. Let's be honest and call these "socialistic". They are, after all, for all of us from all of us. Defense, coining money, establishing courts, and so on. But the vast majority of what our government does at the federal level can't be found anywhere in the constitution, and so it's THAT socialism that is not just wrong, but it's dangerous. Which isn't to say that if you live in a "blue" state you shouldn't be able to try to create your own socialist utopian village. Go for it if that is what you want.

Chavez, like the left here in the USA wants to do, reduced or eliminated economic liberty. The poor there are no wealthier today after his tenure, but he and his cronies are wildly wealthier. Why do leftists ignore this fact? Simple. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are all subordinate in their minds to equality, and any cost to gain equality is worth it. They want what will destroy us.

I love how the liberals always forget important things: Chavez gave his country universal, free, healthcare! The healthcare was so poor that Chavez had to go to Cuba to get anything even close to worldclass treatment. Chavez took from the rich and gave to the poor! The level of poverty went up during the reign of Chavez. Chavez bravely nationalized the oil industry and gave a "f*ck you" to all of the rich people who controlled the industry! Even though Venezuela is one of the richest oil producing countries in the world, the only people who got anything from the industry were Chavez (approximately $2Billion) and his socialist followers. The rest of Venezuela had to suffer through food shortages, rolling black outs, high unemployment, and mediocre health care! And this is the country which the liberals in this country consider a "shining light" in this world!? Oh, I know, the "right" people haven't been able to run this kind of country! (lmfao)

jim spence: Why do ignore the millions of people who seek to sneak out of the United States to escape the evils of capitalism so they can sneak into the lands of utopia of Cuba, Venezuela, China and the Soviet Union. You forget that East Germany had to build a wall to keep the people of West Germany out!

I wonder what the United States will look like when our middle class is a distant memory and all that is left are the wealthy 2% and the poor 98%.

Not sure Manifest, but what I do know is that when that day comes, and the US Fed has no money to hand out, or the money they do hand out is worthless because a loaf of bread costs $150 due to inflation... the libtards will be BEGGING the corporations to come back and employ people. And the corporations, who are happier and much more successful in other coutries who actually VALUE their presence, will give the libtards in the US the middle finger. Can you say bye-bye to America?

Haven't had time to read through all of this, but I noticed I was collapsed for providing nothing but facts. Awesome. Here are a few responses to the statements and questions aimed at me:

1. I am not a liberal. Liberals, by definitions, believe in markets. I am a socialist, or more specifically a mutualist.
2. Yes, I have a well-paying job that I earned by working hard and educating myself.
3. No, I do not support "banning assault weapons," and neither does Chavez, a man who armed the peasants to help guarantee the continuation of the revolution.
4. I acknowledge that the vanguard party used violence to nationalize industry. Revolution is usually bloody, and the capital class doesn't cede control to the people without a fight.
5. No, Chavez did not "self-declare himself president for life." He won multiple closely-monitored elections, the most recent one only six months ago.
6. Oh, the government can't run corporations as good as the workers? I think someone needs to learn a little about socialism, where the people own the means of production.

I hope that covers all the questions.

He stole from legitimate enterprises, threatened violence, killed opposition.

During the last election Chavez allowed his opponents only 3 minutes per day for political advertising.

Consider Chavez entered office a poor man from the slums, eleven years later he has $2 Billion ?

While being treated for cancer in Cuba,Chavez changed Venezuela's Constitution regarding being sworn into office because he was too sick to be sworn in.....That's what dictator's do!!!!!!

Dennis Rodman and Obama like hanging with dick-tators, maybe they will attend the funeral together.

This was Gods answer to "Hugo's" wanting to be dictator-for-life. The best answer he ever had. God agreed and and said "OK Hugo, then your life will be short!" :)

stupid !

@Industrial Strength

Legitimate industires? What is so legitimate about foriegn concerns looting and exploiting another country's wealth? This is what Friedman lassiez-faire economics theory promotes. Chavez was the only "legimate" alternative to the economic policies being pursued by his predecessors who were only interested in lining their own pockets ala Dick Cheney's Haliburton stock rising in worth one year from $1.2 million to 120 million during the 2005 Iraq occupation. A policy the Friedmanites actively pursued to the detriment of the U.S.'s econonmy. The reason for the Fallujah uprising was that Paul Bremer was trying to "decree" Iraq's oil industry into U.S. oil companies hands.

stupid

@stopfreeloaders

twodogsfkg, those weren't election you fool, he controlled the ballot boxes and the count.

Oh, you mean like Florida did?

Liberals love dictators. Rights get in the way of their power grab.

Oh, you mean like Florida did?

What does this have to do with Venezuela?
To quote many of the left leaning Viners recent posts..."You lost the election, get over it!"

Very few people posting here really know what the real conditions in this country are like. Remember, the state owned media will only let the outside see what Hugo would allow.

Fu*k the right wing nutjobs!!!! They are the b@stards standing in my way from getting everything for free. Once the republicans no longer own the house, then we wont have any more car bills, house bills, utility bills, school bills, health bills and we can all live free!

Mr.Burns:

Concise, accurate.......... winner here!!!

Corky,

Sarcasm at it's best.

What a target rich environment!...A couple drones and half of the worlds problems would be gone, hell we could even get jesse and no one would know...

@Corky-384: Corky, Please CORK IT. Another BrainWashed FOOL of the EVIL EVIL Rich and their "corproations". Sir CorkIt, did it EVER Occur to your little tiny mind that WE Americans have to ManUp and stop the Monster corporate police state NOW...little brains...huuh????what did PB say???? what is a corpit' police state huhh?? huhh?? huhh?? which way'd he go george?? which way, huhhh????

CorkIt; It would help IMMENSLY if you would look at the whole Picture and why We Americans pay $4.50p/g and oil nationalized Vs pay 10Cents P/G.....

What's the difference between Chavez and Bush? Chavez didn't have to cheat to win. Chavez was re-elected after a second term. Chavez didn't start a war with the wrong country, And Chavez could actually speak English.

Do you need a airline ticket George? You renounce your US citizenship & I'll buy 1st class to Argentina....

What's the diffeence between Chavez and Obama? Both are dictators.

Participation from Jesse Fu_king Jackass Jackson, hm, that about sums it up what type of get together this was. Garbage.

To george pauljohn, lol, that was a joke right? Obama has lied way more then Bush, yet you libs think everything that comes from his mouth is gold. His state of the union address was all lies but you guys still defend him. I didnt like Bush, but i would gladly take him back over this clown and HIS $17 trillion debt.

The so-called reverend Jesse Jackson should keep his arse down in Caracas. As a Christian I take strong exception to the use of this title for Jackson, a man who has caused more race problems, and who appears to be in trouble all the time.

Frank,

Come on now...cut ol' Jesse a break. Now the Trayvon case has been moved to the second page of the newspaper, he needs anything to get his self in the news! /s lol

"Chavez' Venezuela had more violent crime than before and the water supply was polluted."

Any proof of that?

Yes, World Health Organization, UNICEF, UN, all acknowledged the devastation to Venezuela by Chavez

Venezuela has a homicide rate ten times higher than the US. It's even double the rate of Mexico which is really saying something. Glad the commie is gone for good.

Yes, there are multiple sources for this, look up the info for yourself and stop realying on other people for your knowledge.

Keep him face down so Sean Penn & the few other friends he had will know it's really Hugo ...

Donald, your full of Gen Beck's horse $^&*. Stay out of adult conversations please. lol

george pauljohn You're 2/3 dead!

george,

i encourage you to do some research on your own rather than relying on the liberal leaning media.

and anyone using the phrase "lol" is clearly not trying to have an adult conversation, such as yourself.

as for his funeral & participants , wheres a drone when we need 1 ? Not a big bang , just a very very localized 1 , say , enuff for 1 building. Hate to see any innocents perish , but madmandinejad would be gone .

You are crazy. Shameless.

You talking from George W Bush ?

larry, please direct us to one credible source for your statements. What? there is no source? I'm so surprised. lol Mr. Beck appreciates all that you do for him. lol keep up the good work , lol

Good thing for you and your ego, that you have no idea how follish you are and sound. /facepalm

george,

most often when you point your finger at someone to call them "follish", you have 3 more pointed back at you.

George your obviously a liberal troll, who makes no valid or factual points. I understand for someone like you our current president is a dream come true, he too does not live in the real world, he lies continuously (watch the state of the union, almost all lies) he hasnt followed through on hardly any of his campaign promises. He has not reversed the policies of Bush that you hated so much and has in fact increased many like Homeland, he passed the NDA at midnight last year so nobody would realize it (fact look it up even your liberal media ran stories) He says he has created more manufacturing jobs for the country in his SOTU address when in fact we are down 650,000 manufacturing jobs since he took office (again fact you can look that up) he is trying to do more to take our individual liberties away then any other president before. Wake up and ac tually research stuff and stop listening to Chris Matthews, and Maddow, they are as bad as Beck and probably worse. If you pull your head out of your pocket you will see a vibrant world.

Let Fidel ram the pickle in.

Good one.

They just need a lot more time to make a special place it the pits of hell for him, and that's going to take a lot of work.

I just hope Sean doesn't charter another boat.....

Why are the right wing posters here , so obsessed with Butt #$%^&^%? Just for fun, count how many references to it are posted here by the "moral Majority". lol I just love when you show the world what you really are. lmao

references.....my a*s*s*.....george....I know you libs can't stand the constitution, however, I will remind you....FREEDOM OF SPEECH.... and that does NOT REQUIRE a REFERENCE and it does include our OPINIONS.

Why would they love someone who turned their country into a slum?

Living conditions, education, medical care greatly improved and poverty level also dropped over 60%. Yet you make comment knowing crap about Venezuela. I got friends in Venezuela. Got ask a Venezuelan about Venezuela and not just make ignorant comments.

I am venezuelan , lived 34 years in there. The country is a lawless land, where criminals , kidnappers roam the country with immunity. The country has turned into a typical fascist regime you are either with them or you are their enemy. There is no due process, the executive branch of government controls all the other branches. There is no check and balances. I have family members killed and the "cops" laughed at us when questioned about an "investigation". Their propaganda is so good that matches that of countries like the 1930's Germany , where the brainwashing was at max. There are signs all over the country Chavez the heart of my country. A Fascist dictatorship hidden behind a democratic veil. Yes he was elected and so was Hitler.

He has created a very well orchestrated class warfare led by hatred that has served his purposed really well. Don't get me wrong his political machinery is a very well oiled organization , but for their own gain only. The poor feels better because his caustic rhetoric against the middle class matches their own feeling. Healthcare? Are you kidding me? hospitals are falling apart. I worked there so don't come here to teach anyone a lesson or repeat like a parrot he or she said. Go live there and if you comeback alive , let us know.

God's Speed to your homeland JAXRAD.

I hope we can help with some change there.

There is so much potential for Venezuela now that the vile dictator is gone.

Chavez has gotten a lot of influence in the Caribbean by buying the Islands Prime Ministers while the State Department were sitting on their hands.China is doing the same thing, soon China will have a Navy base on the Commonwealth of Dominica right smack in the middle of the Islands chain, that's their ultimate plan they have already bough the Prime Minister, Roosevelt Skerrit.Read all about Skerrit selling Dominica passports to anyone that wants one if they have the money even if they have never been to the island, people from Iran, China, and a whole list of countries not very friendly to the US.

I am venezuelan , lived 34 years in there. The country is a lawless land, where criminals , kidnappers roam the country with immunity. The country has turned into a typical fascist regime you are either with them or you are their enemy. There is no due process, the executive branch of government controls all the other branches. There is no check and balances. I have family members killed and the "cops" laughed at us when questioned about an "investigation". Their propaganda is so good that matches that of countries like the 1930's Germany , where the brainwashing was at max. There are signs all over the country Chavez the heart of my country. A Fascist dictatorship hidden behind a democratic veil. Yes he was elected and so was Hitler.

He has created a very well orchestrated class warfare led by hatred that has served his purposed really well. Don't get me wrong his political machinery is a very well oiled organization , but for their own gain only. The poor feels better because his caustic rhetoric against the middle class matches their own feeling. Healthcare? Are you kidding me? hospitals are falling apart. I worked there so don't come here to teach anyone a lesson or repeat like a parrot he or she said. Go live there and if you comeback alive , let us know.

What frightens me is how poignantly relevent this is to the current state of affairs here in the US. Albeit its not THAT bad yet, however one only needs to read the progressive drivel as stated on here by people (whom I suspect have all been indoctrinated..oops I meant educated in the Public School system over the course of the last 25 years). to recognize that we may be in serious trouble.

Robbie the robot,

All of Latin America saw increases in those areas. Venezuela saw improvements that were less and slower than Latin America as a whole.

See what happens kids when you only know half the truth? You turn into a libby.

AMEN, Mr. Burns. You get the *Award for MOST CONCISE SUMMARY of the day!

@Robbie the robot: your name fits. @dbk227ADND: "indoctrinated/educated," you were right the first time.

@JAXRAD: God bless you and yours, sorry you had to go through all that. Wouldn't hold out for much hope(sic) with help from the U.S. as our own little would-be dictator likes tinhorns like Hurricane Hugo, (in)Fidel Castro, the little Twerp Ahmadinejad(pronounced"I'm a nut job"),etc.

As for all the so-called grieving, wouldn't be a bit surprised if the vast majority of them are doing so at gunpoint...as is the way for dictators.

All I can say is shame on the Rev.Jessie Jackson and Sean Penn.I defend their freedom of speech but think they are appalling as Dennis Rodman.Clueless and ignorant all three of them giving accolades to world leaders who imprison,torture and starve their people.

You get that in your future, will be your fate..! OK ?

baco78,

If you're going to post here, please learn English. All of your posts are uninformed jibberish!

baco.....I want to apologize for some of the mean comments to you.....you are entitled to your opinion.....and making fun of someone who hasn't learned the language isn't right. I hope....if you are new to America....that you embrace self reliance and hard work and the mentality that it is YOU and YOU alone who are responsible for your future. This is what made America strong. It was not government dependency.

Rice should go she went there to talk about OIL with him and was whined and dined he said he was facinated with her.

She is fascinating....read about her....very unique lady.

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

Now if the "working poor" could only afford cars.

its funnier than you think doc. The ppl's hero Jesse Jackson. HA. I laughed again.

Jim....he STOLE those companies that had put in all the money and work to get those companies going. He was a thief.

Jim,

If you libs wouldn't have a fit and let us drill for oil in this country, we could have much cheaper gasoline.

frick'n ridiculous.

I guess while their at send some more dems, maybe we'll get lucky and they'll like it there.

PSST: hey nancy, they have a new wrinkle treatment better that botox out of endangered frogs

b.o. and moochelle about the same amount. Their just using the country's money as their own acct

Very true. Obama needs to practice with his drone army on the funeral, get some of the crazy libs as well as enemy leaders of state.

You might want to check the period key on your keyboard, it seems to be sticking.

Right, and our Presidents like Bush, etc aren't filty rich while we have all this poverty. You can't deny that the poorest of Venezuela fully support him. No matter which way you spin it this guy did a lot for the poor and that's why they poured out in droves to honor him. Don't bother spinning it because you really can't argue against those kind of numbers coming out in support of him. Unless you don't think the people know what is in their best interests, then you are just spinning it more.

Wow,

Couldn't leave off bashing on Obama...sad. Truly pathetic.

I'm not even a fan, do you realize you just look like a fool when you continue to bash on the President after he has been duly re-elected?

Like the left did against Bush? And look at the last vote Obama won 10% of the counties only, the Urban centers where the most social welfare money goes and the most crime exists, the bastions of what Dems want for this country, the heartland and people who dont look to the government for support did not support this terrible president.

Gary: You must be quite young. Some day you may need a hand up, so don't spit in the wind!

Obama is a corporate owned, very "business friendly" politician, like most American politicians. I wish he were a socialist, Americans would be in much better economic shape. Currently, the bottom 40% of Americans own 3% of the wealth in our country.

Gary : My state is a donor state ( sends more money to washington than it gets back) With the exception of Texas(donor state),all of the other RED STATES receives more money from Washington than they pay in taxes. The RED STATES are welfare states. Check it out!!!

J E Burton,

Half truths again. They get more money than they send because things like roads and other government expenditures cost the same in all states, yet red states have less people. They dont rely on welfare like leeching libs, and the money spent is mostly on programs that the states dont even want.

How to be a liberal. Only know half the truth.

J E Burton chooses to be stuck on the fence... and, some of us climbed off to one side or the other. You can't have both in this country BURTON. If you'll take the time to look at the demographics of those "RED" states you'll find that the MAJORITY of the intercities are colored in "BLUE" which is where the government gets its votes and also to where it sends MY/YOUR monies. I say, lets ship all blue west of the Mississippi, and all red to the east...Guarantee you in a short time the blue will be trying to cross that river to covet the RED....AGAIN

psicopat you need be in a mental Hospital, somebody take care this guy!

I think baco78 must be a Chavez propagandist. Pretty sad if he is the best the ruling regime in Venezuela could afford as his posts make no sense!

I am beginning to think, baco is faking his accent and his spelling....to mess with us.

Chavez didnt care about human rights either, as proven by the number of Venezuelans posting. Of course I am sure you will believe they are all just "elite" and thats why they didnt like him. The last election had no monitoring so my guess is he probably didnt win honestly.

JE BURTON you talk the true, The big bussines promote for the open market take over the nation and opress the nation so badly, happen every were like now in US, Chavez confront them without Fear and sucede ! he made enemies every were, but is the price pay for tray to change a corrupt system, his policy help to neighbords countries to made many changes and support him, he show NO FEAR, like we live now in US, we live in fear all the time, manipulate for the power in the shadow for the media

Ah, so they need a local strongarmed dictator to oppress the people. You say "big business" oppressed the people. Nice catch phrase to denigrate everyone in business. But who developed that oil industry in Venezuela. Sure wasn't Chavez. A new Rasmussen poll today shows only 6% of Americans view Chavez in a favorable light. So JE Burton is in a real very very small minority in the US. Most view him as a corrupt dictator who oppressed his people and stole billions from the Venezuelan people. Almost 40% of the Venezuelan people live in abject poverty living on less than $2.00 a day. Chavez had the funds to make a deep cut in that for his people and didn't. Instead he gave billions to foment revolution across South America. He gave billions in discount gas to other Marxist dictators while many of his people starved. Time to push the lever and flush this guy.

People lived in abject poverty BEFORE Chavez came along. And only 6% of the American people approve of Chavez because only 6% of us bother to look into another country's history and politics beyond the paltry headlines produced by the media. Do some research - be responsible for your own opinions, instead of being spoon-fed like the rest of the rightwingnutbalelrs.

@Baco,

The only ones living in fear in the U.S. man are the ones who are willing to let their elected officials take control of their fire arms and their paychecks. I AM NOT ONE OF THOSE...If you are, then I suggest you change PARTIES...Also, If you're going to reside in our country...LEARN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE. It's what we use here.

Guinius: And if you want to reside in OUR Country learn to be more compassionate and don't just think about yourself and your "things" and forget about the less fortunate that would like to have a better life also. It is what we USED TO DO HERE!

@Baco

Man......Where are you from? Ditto to what Guinius replied to your absurd comments!! Where did you learn how to spell? Did you even qualify for a GED? Buy a dictionary !! Learn English! And, if you don't like the USA.........Ship out!

English has been spoken in America for thousands of years, duh. That's why it's called English. Anyone who doesn't speak English must be a moran. If you point out problems in America, obviously you hate America, and should go back to the world. Here in America, we only support a ruling elite stealing wealth from the lower classes if they WEREN'T elected. /s

@one nation

Compassion for what? The millions of illegals who think there's a free ride on my back? Yours? You may choose that but I DO NOT. A man betters himself through what he does...not from others giving handouts to him/her. Here's an example for you: A man/woman walks up to my front door and says "hey count me in on all of this wealth and helath care and retirement you guys have" ....my answer.... grab a shovel and let's get busy improving your life! Now, all compassion is gone for anyone who demands to be included and any government who forces my hand at helping. You may think that socialism is a GOOD way to bring everyone the possiblilty of a "better life"...but, look at the many countries who are/have failed when taking that approach. SOCIALISM will not work in any country because it lowers the moral and productivity of those who choose to do better. ONE NATION??? maybe you would like a taste of the socialist society that BACO praises??? Then I'd be the first person to accomodate you, AND HIM, with a prepaid airline ticket out of here to do just that. I have compassion for those who are willing to help themselves and not for those who are willing to let our current administration do all of the help for them at my/your expense. As far as "my things"...I earned all of them from the sweat of my own brow...no government handout, no amnesty, no inheritance, no other peoples monies.... Fire back baby!! You can have the last word!

Guinius

Realistic and "make sense commentary".....I am only to happy to help share ticket expense for either Baca or One Nation (or both of them) should they like to ship out! I get Sick reading some of the nonsense posts which people make! Saturday, I will be 76 (I Hope!) and I can say, without hesitation, our country has evolved, during my lifetime, into a really sad Nation. We are no longer a nation "United"! Every group wants to fly their own flag rather than the "Stars and Stripes"! I received a Social Security Card at Age 14 and worked almost every day of my life until age 70, never taking a "handout" from anyone! No longer the Mind Set!!! Kennedy's famous words don't ring true! It's now what are you going to give me? I could go on & on......But, most of it has already been said by someone and it is truly pointless! It's one day at a time for me and I no longer waste that time on Morons!

Yawn. Why do illiterates post here?

@ RICARDO-2902993

Brother, you are an AMERICAN that ALL AMERICANS should want to be but, unfortunately, and like you said in your post above, this ain't AMERICA anymore...SO SAD!!!! :(

On a more positive note: HAPPY 76th BIRTHDAY to you my friend! And, I certainly wish you another healthy and happy 76 more!!! if that's possible :) GOD BLESS!!!

Thanks Guinius

I am blessed! Third stage Colon Cancer 12 years ago, a year of Chemo, and I am still kicking.My work ,suffered some during that time but all turned out ok! Everything considered, I now enjoy decent health for my years!!! I try to stay fit. I'm outta her to play nine holes! And I wish you a continued Safe and Healthy life. Blessings right back at you and your loved ones.

Richard

Richard,

You hit em long and straight! Man I'm jealous :) We're going to have our first warm and pretty weekend here all winter and my plans are not to hit the white ball but, building a derned deck :( Hopefully, we'll have another nice weekend next week and I'll get to do some of that. That's what we need more of in this country anyways...A little more time on the course can clear a whole lot of frustraions :) or, ADD to them :) either way, a bad day at golf is still better than a good day at work!!!

I suppose you are an expert? Enlighten us about what good he has done for his entire country.

l love how you are not even an American, yet you type on your computer from your American home insulting other Americans while Obama is coddling you for your vote. How's that American dream working out for your stupid spic arrrse?

Look it up on Google or better still, go to Venezuela.

why would he want to go to a dump ?

Tiger, why do you think I'm not an American?

I took a shot in the dark and i am probably right, so if what i said insulted you, then my bullet hit it's target. Truth must hurt

Tiger, why do you call it a dump? Have you ever been there?

sure have, traveled there for Exxon. I work in the oilfield. Since your boy does not want to drill in South La, he forces us to drill there and have to travel abroad. I guess that is why his buddy died a billionaire.

This has been one of the very few times the CIA has had nothing to do with bringing a despot to power in the Americas.

Since Hugo took power, tourism in Venezuela is nearly non-existant, foreign industry has been driven out. Chavez and his buddies have pocketed all the wealth of the country...though he has piped a few million back into "improvements" for the "people" who still live in cardboard houses and basic dwellings with no plumming. There are gangs of men roaming the countryside between Columbia and Brazil, killing and terrorizing anyone travelling there without weapons or some other protection.

Sounds lovely, I think I'll move there when I retire.

Better watch it..it's traceable and they know where your at....just sayin

What about the free heating oil the Venezuelan company gave to American poor?

I guess the Joe Kennedy commercial brain washed you too.....lmao

LOL golf is a clone.