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Pakistani Christians search for salvageable belongings from the remains of their razed houses in Lahore on Monday.
ISLAMABAD — Pakistan is reeling from a Muslim mob attack that set ablaze almost 200 buildings in a predominantly Christian neighborhood of Lahore, the country’s second largest city, on Saturday.
The mob was angered by alleged insults against Islam’s Prophet Muhammad.
Many Christians complain that Pakistan’s harsh blasphemy laws — with offenses punishable by life in prison or even death — have become a convenient excuse for exercising vigilante justice against them and other religious minorities. Christians make up less than 5 percent of Pakistan’s 180 million people; most Pakistanis are Sunni Muslim.
Drunken dispute
The most recent incident was sparked by alleged remarks against Muhammad made by Sawan Masih, a 28-year-old Christian man, to two Muslim friends during a drunken argument.
The following day hundreds of angry Muslims marched through the neighborhood burning about 170 houses, seven shops and two churches. Some residents were injured, but there were no serious casualties.
The Pakistan Interfaith League, a "socio-political organization that works for peace and harmony for all in Pakistan," according to its chairman, Sajid Ishaq, has been tracking the event. They say there are no reliable witnesses to confirm whether the act of blasphemy was committed or not.
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Angry Pakistani demonstrators torch Christians' belongings during a protest over an alleged insult to the Prophet Muhammad in a Christian neighborhood of Lahore on March 9.
"The police knew the night before that something terrible was going to happen," said Ishaq, a 42-year-old Christian. "But they didn’t do much about stopping the mob. Rather, they told the community that they should evacuate. Where’s the sense in that?"
The lack of timely action from local authorities has left many demanding answers.
"We are totally outraged to learn that these buildings [in the Christian neighborhood] were set ablaze at 9:00 a.m. The firefighting service did not arrive until 3:00 p.m.," said human rights activist Tahira Abdullah. "The blaze was not put out till nightfall… Exploitation of popular sentiment in the name of religion is not new in Pakistan, but it is reaching unprecedented proportions."
While there were unconfirmed reports that political heavyweights and the local land mafia had orchestrated the attack to evacuate the Christian community from some very valuable real estate in the heart of Lahore, local observers did not count out inept governance as a probable cause.
"There’s usually a financial dispute, small or large, when these incidents occur," said Ashar-ur-Rehman, editor for the daily Dawn. "But they [the government] didn’t see any need to intervene. They were late. If you don’t allow people a sense of security, you are exposing yourself as complicit with perpetrators of the crime."
'We want justice'
On Sunday, retaliatory riots by Christians engulfed Lahore and other Pakistani cities.
But some are trying to get justice in other ways.
"There were about 400 to 500 bibles burnt in the attack. The mob humiliated our holy scriptures and churches," said Ishaq of the Pakistan Interfaith League. "So we are asking that the culprits should be booked under the same blasphemy law that they allege we Christians broke."
The Supreme Court has taken notice of the incident, and hearings are underway investigating the inaction of the administration, which has announced $2,000 as compensation for each family
But according to the Pakistan Interfaith League, each family has suffered an average loss of around $20,000 for their property.
"Our community is rejecting this token. We don’t want charity. We want rights. We want justice," said Ishaq.
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The Religion of "PEACE" strikes again! ROFL
Islam is a LIE... wake up people... get out of the Matrix!
May the REAL GOD grant you wisdom to see...
Once more the religion of peace rears it's ugly head.
Are you talking about my totem pole?
I would NOT want to be a Christian living in Pakistan or ANY OTHER islamic nation for that matter!
I will never forget the celebrations in Pakistan on 9/11/01.
How can these people be surprised that their own people would be treated like this?
They celebrated 9/11 and embraced the devil. Dance on the Sun at your own risk.
Cockroaches doing what they do best....
People really don't learn from history.
Otherwise they would know that it is well documented through out history when populations live in low quality of life regions it goes hand in hand with tribal brutality. Violence and corruption becomes cultural and only mob justice is seen as effective, or just a way to act out frustrations.
The most "civilized" populations tend to be those with high levels of quality of life.
Pool all of the worlds resources into the hands of very few, and more and more of the world will look like the lawless regions of the world, or in the past.
You got to love how, these Muslim countries pass all of these Blasphemy laws so they can kill all NON Muslims if they even say something against Mohamed, but they can burn down the Christian churches and burn their bibles. How do you burn a whole neighborhood down before the police even show up? these people need to get themselves some guns. I think it's time for all the Christians to get their ass out of these Muslim countries and get to a Christian one, because when the Armageddon war starts ,your going to want to be with your own kind and not these Evil Evil murdering Muslims. I wonder, were these terrorist ,or where they Moderate Muslims? I don't think there's a difference and it's starting to show.
And it's crazy they praise Allah is the greatest yet it seems they worship Muhammad more which is a sin, hope they all keep burning in hell.
The moral of the story is that Muslims cannot be counted on to be friends to non Muslims... see, they ran around telling everyone that their Christian "friend" blasphemed Mohammad. They knew the outcome of such accusations, but, oh, well....
Its only a matter of time before they assume the majority population in a United States locality or in Canada or Western Hemisphere country. Cuba's Castro and communism were nothing compared to how big a problem for us that such an area with an Islamic majority will be. For an example let's use the state of Idaho. Small population to begin with. Muslim's in droves move in--Christians leave. Muslims decide to re-write the state's constitution. The new constitution does not allow freedom of religion.... what will happen? Its hard to say what will happen but you can bet this is coming within the US or Canada. Mexico or S. America is a little harder since those countries are about 80% Catholic.....
Pakistan reeling from attacks on Christians ?
I thought most Pakistanis would be in the streets jumping for joy.
Since they burned bibles, I guess that means Christians around the world are expected and allowed to attack Pakistani embassies and businesses? That it is OK to attack and even kill Pakistanis anywhere? Afterall, that is the precidence they set when a just a couple of korans were burnt.
Islam and Christianity have the same (non-existent) God.
Your inter-faith disputes are silly. And lead to crap like we see here. More damage has been done in the name of your god than any other cause.
Depends. If you are a big supporter of state rights, then you are all for it.
Does this even not demonstrate that religion is indeed the devil's masterpiece?
(Thank you , Sam; I would not dare to use such a magnificent phrase without giving you credit.)
Strangelove, you ask "what will happen" as if there is some question.
While it was lawful in the United States at one time for a state to have a state religion, that practice was forbidden by the Supreme Court. If any state tries to implement Sharia or the like those laws will quickly be struck down and if the state continues to enforce them then everyone involved will be arrested on charges of civil-rights violation.
Byron
More damage has been done in the name of some god than any other god.
If you change one aspect about God to your own liking or in your case so you dislike god more, then you are not talking about the same being.
If you make laws outlawing blasphemy, you're just giving fuel to fanatics when the inevitable does happen.
So let's see how well Pakistan follows it's own laws. They like to use the death penalty in these cases as was just evidenced not all that long ago using a trumped up charge against a mentally challenged child. That event was also an attempt to push Christians out of the neighborhood. By the way...anyone happen to know what ever happened to the sicko cleric that perpetrated that farce??? He was arrested but never heard any more about it after the arrest.
http://news.yahoo.com/imam-arrested-pakistan-quran-burning-case-173418184.html
This is nothing new for Pakistan. Since it's birth in 1947, kidnapping, rape, murder have all been an integral part of it's fabric and have become Pakistani traditions. Just ask any of it's minorities. They'll gladly tell you.
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven."
"But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. "If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
"For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day—and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing."
Stay strong in faith, brothers and sisters. We are praying for you. You are not alone in this.
GM Chef!!
This is exactly what Joel Rosenberg prophesied in his new book, Damascus Countdown!!
Fight the good fight for faith!! The good news.........we have read the book and know how it ends!!
Glorious and VICTORIOUS!!
And it continues on and on, appeasers of non-existent gods attacking appeasers of other non-existent gods. If the appeasers really think their gods exist, why not just tell the gods to duke it out. Surely there must be some magical ritual for that. By the way, Mohammed was a child-molester and Jesus is fictional - how's that for "blasphemy?"
Personally, they are adulterating the practices and disciplines of Mohamed to fit any version of evil violence they wish to use them for. There are those of Islam who preach peace, and live to let live, even though they hold a vision of a world of nothing but Islam. Others use their version of Muhammad in a fornicated faith of what he preached. Anytime in any religion that people follow a mere man, of God or not, that man never can give a prophetic perfect protocol as he weakens as he grows older, and God never intended us to follow a mere man. Yet this adulterated version of Islam and Mohammed SUCKS and they can come to MY door anytime they wish to with their firebrands shouting and torches. Turn my cheek? Love my enemy? I say teach them to stay on their side of the fence and don't force their religion on others or suffer the uncomfortable unforgettable consequences, and remind them it is not enjoyable being my enemy. The peaceful of Islam are now shamed or should be burdened with the repercussions of their own non-action to fight for and in the name of their truer faith over and above these mobs and rioters. It is they that should feel offended at the whore of Islam as it defaces the views and representations of their faith.
lionxheart,
And it's crazy they praise Allah is the greatest yet it seems they worship Muhammad more which is a sin, hope they all keep burning in hell.
lionxheart; I'm not a religious person myself but allah means god and muhammad is the prophet of islam. As Christians believe in god, but praise Jesus Christ, our savior. So no i don't think its a sin for them to praise (or in your word worship) Muhammad.
Def:
Muhammad, in full Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim (born 570, Mecca, Arabia [now in Saudi Arabia]—died June 8, 632, Medina), founder of the religion of Islam, accepted by Muslims throughout the world as the last of the prophets of God.
"Many Christians complain that Pakistan’s harsh blasphemy laws — with offenses punishable by life in prison or even death — have become a convenient excuse for exercising vigilante justice against them and other religious minorities."
The Islamic extremist Frankenstein monsters are backstabbing big time the inventers of Pakistan, British, and the masters (US and allies) who kept them alive.
In most of the Islamic terrorism and plots in the US, Britain, Europe and other places, Pakis have a hand.
Half of NATO forces deaths in Afghanistan are due to Pakis.
Before followers of Islamic cult set their feet on Afghan and Paki regions, these regions were quite peaceful and prosperous.
Once the cancer of Islam gradually got control of the region, those regions have become raping, stealing, looting and killing fields.
In Afghanistan, Paki proxies Taliban did not even tolerate Buddha’s statue in Bamiyan.
Many Paki areas and some Afghan areas have become breeding and exporting centers for illegal activities including drugs growing and trading and export of Islamic radicals and terrorists all over the world.
British invented Pakistan in 47 and Pakistan is supposed to be a pure Islamic nation. In Pakistan, it was massive genocides of minorities in between 48-50.
Percentages of Hindus and Sikhs were reduced from about 24 percent less than three years by rapes, stealing, lootings, terrorizing and killing on a massive scale.
Paki Islamic religious madness did not end there.
Sunni Pakis are after Ahmedias, Sufis (fake love and dance Islamic soap opera people), Shiites (20 percent), Hazaras, and Baloochs and other minority sects/tribes.
Shiites, Sufis, Ahmedias and other minority sects/tribes people are blown up while they pray in their mosques on Fridays. And even hospitals are bombed to kill those injured.
Still Pakis get support from the US, British, and EU.
What a strange world and that too with those talking big on religious rights, human rights, women rights, democratic rights and so on when required.
When it comes to Saudis, all big talkers look the other way!
Its sad, the intolerance with people to accept what others believe. If you don't want to believe what other people believe in that shouldn't be cause for destruction and despair in these countries. I don't think GOD intended for us to try to kill each other (and most times succeed) over our beliefs.
This is not intolerance of other beliefs... It's just the plain undistilled intolerance of cave people.
Agree bmouser, But somewhere the belief in Islam changed, when they referred to non believers as Infidels. Somewhere it is also writen about the destruction of non believers. At least this is what i got when talking with my interpretors in Iraq.
Islamic's ask us not to pre-judge them and to be "tolerant" of their belief--YEAH SURE RIGHT!! the Sunnis and Shias have been killing each other for centuries.....In another 50 years if they keep coming to the USA, you can bet that Christians here will be importing Serbian Generals to help survive these radicals--Islamics have no morality, they have no work ethic, they do not believe in science. Just compare India (which is Hindu) with Pakistan (Islamic). The Indians have a dynamic society with people coming there for treatment of diseases and technical industrial opportunities. Name one Islamic country where they have anything or develop any science. The can be pests. They get explosives or hand grenades and blow up people, airplanes, Christian churches, Jewish people, and other Islamics. They are like cockroaches -- what they don't eat, they mess all over it....
What we are noticing in Pakistan is Islamic intolerance and barbarism unlimited and establishing new world records!
When is all this insanity and intolerance going to stop? We are well into the 21st Century and we act like this?
When we quit telling ourselves that we are a higher being and relies animals will be animals when the time is right.
Religion poisons everything. Not some things, or a few things. /Everything/
And that's because faith teaches you to see the world as it is not rather than as it is. It's like opening a checking account in the red. You're behind before you even begin when you embrace faith.
Atheist
No, humans poison everything.
DB,
no, Religion does poison everything. The only reason these Muslims attacked these Christians is because they were Muslim and Christian. If they had not been Muslims and Christians these attacks would not have happened.
Religions which claim to be true religions are nothing by dynamos of war, chaos, and destruction because those that truly believe will never accept a different religion which claims that their is false. The only way to deal with this is to destroy that other religion, in the minds of fanatics. Thus we get such incidents as these.
The day in which religion is treated for what is really is, is when we will see an end to intolerance and petty fights over whose God has the bigger e-penis.
Just in the past 100 years of Atheist leaders.
Pol Pot had 7 million people murdered.
Joseph Stalin turned atheist then had 70 million people murdered.
Mao Zedong devout atheist had 100 million people murdered.
That's just scratching the top of the atheist leaders of the last 100 years.
Atheist,I would like to be there when you are looking at death yourself to see if you call out to anyone or anything higher than you....especially if it is a unexpected life/death situation.
No it doesn't. It does a great deal of good in the world but I'm not expecting any kind of agreement from you.
What excuse is there for the continuous attacks on these people who are predominantly Islamic???
http://www.hazarapeople.com/
Geowil,
The poison is in insensitive comments like yours that blame the victim. "If they weren't Christian, they wouldn't have been attacked now would they?"
I'm sure the attackers went door to door and made sure all the houses they were burning actually belonged to genuine Christians as opposed to nominal ones or, you know, enlightened atheists like yourself.
For a refresher on the supposedly "peace-loving nature" of aspiring atheist regimes/societies, please google Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, and the current Kim Karousel in N. Korea.
Oh: Yes you forgot Hilter that killed 10 to 60 million he was a christain.
We should stop all aid money to Pakistan and stop issuing Visas to the Pakis to come here. The Pakis here are all a national security threat anyway and they should have their Visas revoked and be sent home. Stop the money and stop the Visas.
jesuguru,
I also said if the attacker's were not Muslims. Stop taking thins out of context to try and prove some convoluted point.
maze
Nazis worshipped Odin and Thor, definitely NOT Jesus Christ
maze -
Hitler was not a Christian. He was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church, but he refuted the Christian faith while a young adult, some historians say earlier.
Our allies. Our pals. Bush wouldn't lie would he ? If we'd get totally out of Afghanistan, we wouldn't have to kiss anymore Paki ass.
Still blaming Bush?
You do know that he left office on January 20, 2009 don't you?
That's kind of like saying to the hurricane Sandy victims "Don't you know the storm's over? Stop blaming the storm!" Sometimes it take a looooooong time to clean up after someones very bad mistakes. You know, like the huge problems after Katrina. Heckuva job done there, wasn't it?
Quote Bush 2002--"Today I met Mr. Putin and when I looked into his eyes, I knew that here was a man I could trust...." Just think Jeb is on deck for the WH in 2016...running all over the place on morning talk shows pushing his immigration plan--its the same one as his brother--bring in 10 million low wage non-english speaking, no-skilled people to work in gas stations and mowing yards while the local taxpayers have to shoulder the burden of housing, educating, policing, etc. Same old GAS just a Different member of America's royal family...
Dr. Strangelove
Putin was afraid of Bush using the button. With Obama, Putin thinks he will get the button some day.
Dr. Strangelove - you are right on target. Look up Antelope, Oregon to see what happened by a cult there. They sickened the general population so only their cult would be able to vote on voting day. Look it up on the net
Yup, lets give some more foreign aide to these counties to buy weapons with that they can use to kill people with.
So long as they buy our weapons and kill each other, seems we don't have a problem with it.
We have enough weapons of our own in the U.S. to kill all of us and them, too, so there are plenty to send over there.
We don't have to give them weapons. We've given them our jobs and the accompanying pay as well as access to our technology. And now they're a nuclear power along with India. Where we've also sent jobs and pay and technology, Wonder how that happened. Must be a total coincidence.
There will never be Peace on Earth nor human equality while there is religious bigotry.
There will never be Peace on Earth nor human equality while there is religion.
There, fixed that for you.
Which religion do we get ride of all, then we end up fighting about politics or the fact that my non belief in my non god is better than yours.
Well, eliminating one more cause sound good to me!
Um, Bubba, I forget. When did the atheists have their crusades again? Face it, there have been some wars started by non-religious people but by far religion is the biggest cause of violence like this. Religions of all sorts. but then what do you expect if you tell people "Believe in me or die in fire" or "Believe in me and I'll give you great wealth"? Fear and greed are two major motivators for humans and religions tend to play on both. i was listening to a Baptist minister on Sunday who was saying if you believe in God your money worries will be over. Um, sure. And of course you have to convert people. Because if you don't you're not a Good Believer and there's always that lake of eternal fire. Oh, and drop that 10% in the basket. And make it PRE tax, if you'll be so good. I love listening to that guy because he's just the perfect image of what's wrong with religion. The scary part is he has a huge following. But then again, greed and fear.... So what do atheists have to help them? Not much. Can't promise eternal darn-nation or untold riches and/or 40 virgins after death. So they tend not to get the greedy and the fearful to follow them so not so many wars. But keep believing that, Bubba. And make sure you tithe. PRE tax, if you please.
Every time someone errects a minora, a manger scene or a christmas tree on public property.
DB,
except we do not go out and kill those we do not agree with, unlike what Muslims and Christians have done in the past. We also do not try to remove the rights of those who do not agree with us. Fact of the matter is "public property" means property of the state or federal government.
Trees I have no problem with because they were not originally used to symbolize anything in Christian religion, it was another tradition stolen from Paganism. The others though are displays of religious intent and separation of church and state prohibits such displays on public property.
Reign of Terror, French Revolution, circa 1793-1794
Or google "Dechristianisation of France during the French Revolution"
Geowil,
Christmas Trees are okay because their origins are pagan? Paganism isn't a religion?
Power corrupts. Early Christians did not go around killing people either. It's telling that it wasn't until Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire that you have major violence by Christians against Pagans. Before that time it was the other way around. I believe it is foolishness to think non-religious people would behave differently. Just look at the posts above about 'eliminating' religion. I know some of you are going to say, "That doesn't mean kill religious people! It just means educating people to free them from their religious delusions!" (As if all religious people are uneducated and it is only their lack of education that keeps them from embracing secularism - nonsense.) But others might disagree. Others might come to believe that the only way to eliminate religion is to make it illegal. Or failing that, that it is their duty to eliminate religious people. Stranger things have happened.
I don't think Christians should be involved with any conflicts, religious or otherwise, other than to bring peace and comfort and compassion to everyone involved, friend or foe. Yet, many Christians disagree. Are all atheists going to be of one mind? I dare say that would be miraculous.
"When did the atheists have their crusades again?"
Google Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot, the Kims in N. Korea for starters.
Yep...at least as violent as the inquisitions...right?
So, you're trying to tell us that the above mentioned communists committed genocide in the name of atheism...correct?
Ol_Doc,
Are you trying to say the Crusades were genocide? Because although they were terrible and the cause of many deaths, I don't think it's fair to say it was an attempt to systematically kill all Muslims in the area. In fact, many of the Crusaders set up small principalities and ruled over Muslims. The Crusades were bad; they were terrible; they weren't genocide.
The truth is that many of the Communist leaders were systematically eliminating any and all opposition to their power and since atheism is a fundamental part of Marxism (and therefore Communism) it would appear that the comparison stands.
But really this is pointless. Whether believers or non-believers commit the worse atrocities is beyond ridiculous. We can all agree that these atrocities should stop.
HChris,
Yes. Christmas in and of itself has nothing to do with the birth of Jesus. In fact Jesus was born during a summer month. Christmas is a Pagan tradition celebrating the unborn son. Oh and by the way Paganism is a religion, it has Gods and everything. The reason for the violence was the same reason Muslims and Christians are currently battling it out; Christianity contested that the Pagan Gods were false deities and that their religion was no so but a cult (to be fair Islam says the same thing about Christianity).
Much of Christianity's traditions are not Christian traditions but Pagan ones adopted to make the forced change of Rome to a Christian system more smooth for all involved.
You mistunderstand.
I know all that. (Except for Paganism being a cult - Christians don't say that, they say it is just wrong. Same with Muslims about Christianity.)
I was questioning your stance on Christmas trees being ok in 'public areas' because they are Pagan, not Christian - even though you just now stated that Paganism IS, in fact, a religion. So you're not against religious symbols being displayed in public places, just Christian ones?
When the Radical Islamists, that want U.S. Aid, take over in Syria, this little piece of history will be repeated.
The U.S. should not give 60 million dollars in Aid to Radical Islamists, trying to impose Sharia Law in Syria.
The U.S. should not give 250 million dollars in Aid to the Radical Islamist Dictator now running Egypt.
Normal human beings never make the same mistake twice. Our government has it down to a science. They can do it 10, 20, 30 times.
Chile, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq.
I think you're right.
Democracy doesn't have predictable results, does it?
What? You mean the Palestinians didn't vote for a Jeffersonian democracy based on free enterprise?
What? You mean the Egyptians didn't vote for a Jeffersonian democracy based on free enterprise?
Shocking!
The "nation builders" said, "everyone wants freedom".
Well, as it turns out, some people prefer Hamas, or Hezbollah, or the Muslim brotherhood.
All those American lives wasted for NOTHING.
So, the Christian guy was drinking with his two drunken Muslim friends who aren't suppose to drink according to the Koran. And, they want to riot over something the Christian 'said.' I walk around my ranch and piss towards Mecca six times a day. I wonder if thats blasphemy.
More good news out of Pakistan; let's send them another $820,000,000.
Beautifull country, beautiful people and beautiful laws.
I think someone mentioned this already but it is not the religions but the imperfect people that do ignorant things in the name of religion.
Religion, all religion is ignorant by definition.
ROFLMAO...guns don't kill people...people kill people. Let's just get rid of all the people.
Huh,. So it's NOT the religions that are saying things like "Convert or die" and just some imperfect people. Imagine that.
Sam, If it weren't for most religions, illiteracy rates would be even higher than they are today.
The first things most missionaries in most religions do is build a place of worship and the second is to establish an education system.
The only serious efforts being spent for translation of languages is missionaries leaning a language to translate the Bible into.
"Huh,. So it's NOT the religions that are saying things like "Convert or die" and just some imperfect people. Imagine that."
Huh, I do imagine that. It's not "the religions", it's *one* religion perpetrating by far and away more violence and "forced conversions" (an oxymoron if there ever was one) than all others combined - in accordance with certain Quranic teachings.
So now Christians simply get to walk away from history like it never happened? While pointing their finger at others?
After they wipe out the indigenous religion and learning, then they substitute their own.
Fu*k Mohammad.
Come to my house and try that.
I have a welcome gift for you.
Mohammad would probably enjoy that.
As the muslims say, "Women are for babies. Men are for pleasure"
So now I understand why he is always giving up virgins! Could never figure why a man would give up his virgins!
I can't imagine why a REAL man would only feel confident with virgins.
Many noted scientists, Albert Einstein included, have surmised that the Universe has been created too perfectly to be an accident. Whether it was God, as many religions would have you believe or another entity remains to be discovered. The question I pose is, "If the Creator took the time to make each and every snowflake completely different, why would He/She want human beings to look the same, act the same and think the same things?" Also if the Creator wants another human being to die, He/She does not need your assistance. Get over yourself. I can imagine Him/Her speaking, "If you feel the need to destroy My creations, so be it, you will pay for your actions at a later time. Please just stop doing it in My name."
It is only people who think outside of the box who move our societies forward. Witness the last forward thinking idea to come from one of these islamic controlled countries. If you control the press, WWW included, as is going on in iran right now before their presidential election, you have a much easier time controlling the uneducated / uniformed. If your government only allows one ideal, it is much easier to punish those who would disagree with said ideal, thereby controlling the populace through fear and intimidation.
Thank you! I've had christians pounce on me for stating as much.
Seven-341804: It's not nice to make up stuff & pass it off as fact. The letter in which Einstein wrote "...The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation, no matter how subtle, can (for me) change this..." got a lot of publicity when it was sold at auction last October. You must have been in a coma or something to have missed that bit of news about what Einstein thought about the supernatural, also known as deities, gods, goddesses, etc. Your god must be OK with liars for you to have written what you did.
Schroeder- Einstein was no different that most other very intelligent people. They all think they are so smart and they have all the answers ,when the truth is ,if they cant see it or touch it ,then it must not be real. God is real my friend and he knows you personally, you should get to know him.
There haven't been all that many forward-thinking ideas coming from Christian-controlled countries either. It is only when the Western world was able to throw off the yoke of Christianity that we were able to make any real progress. Muslims are starting to do the same.
And you seriously do not see any contradiction in castigating other people for thinking they have all the answers, and then preaching religion at them?
Scientists admit they do not have all the answers. That is why they are doing science - to find the answers. It is religionists who keep telling us "God is the answer."
Schroeder I do not attack people for what they say or what they think, I leave that to the uneducated, ignorant beings that most of civilized humanity has to put up with on a daily basis. I do however welcome intelligent dialogue about important issues.
Einstein in his later years became more enlightened as he realized that there was more to life than logic, science and mathematics. He also said,
"I want to know how God created this world. I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts, the rest are details."
I am not an advocate for any religion. What you believe is entirely fine with me as long as your belief's do not drive you to the destruction of innocent human beings or command you to indoctrinate others with your belief's through fear and intimidation. All I was hoping to convey was that we should all strive to be free thinkers and know inherently what is right from wrong without being a member of a club which tells you what to believe. Sheeple.
Byron, As far as any society changing ideas or inventions that have come from free thinking societies....hmm Telephone, Automobile, Transistors, TV, Tape Recorders, CD's, MP3 players, Cell Phones, Wireless Networks, Nuclear Power, Nuclear Medicine and oh yes the WWW, just to name a few.........and muslim countries? iran still uses diesel fuel to power their subs and are still trying to get Nuclear Power 70 years after we had it. The ME does have oil, but I don't think they invented it.
This is called "Lying for the Lord."
Please stop it.
Thanks Joe, you are right.
A wise Man onece said "Want World Peace kill all muslems".
If world peace requires mass genocide it is not worth it.
Touchy bunch.
Islam must go...its a plague on mankind....plain and simple...a religion of hate not love.....
Why narrow it down to just Islam. Thought you were getting on a roll there.
Christianity, apparently, a plague on mankind....plain and simple...a religion of hate not love.....
Eye-for-an-eye is not what Christ taught. This is why most Christians don't advocate personal violence or retribution, with some self-professed "believers" as exceptions (proving their faith false by going directly and unrepentantly against Biblical teaching).
That said, an article about Christians being attacked is not the ideal time to be attacking Christianity. Sensitivity all-around is in order, for whoever is morally capable of it. Peace.
I bet those hypocrites insult Jesus all the time.......
Ahhhh Islam... such a peaceful religion right?
Filthy violent animals.
Oh and MOHAMMED SUCKS AND WAS A THIEF, MURDERER, AND CHILD MOLESTOR!
Now come to my home and attempt to burn it down.... see what happens.
Actually, Jesus is a revered figure in Islam.
Calling Christ a "prophet" and saying that he is not the messiah is an insult to him and an affront to Christianity, strange how Christians don't go around burning down Muslims houses and killing them for their "blasphemy".
That was the point........
you are so right, they deny that our Lord Jesus is the son of God, so if they don't believe that, that's where it ends. i made a sign and went and stood at a muslim place of prayer and one of the women was telling me that i shouldn't be doing that and that i should leave because they didn't like what my sign showed. we as Christians should stand up "visibly" at their places of worship and show them that "they are blasphemous" to us because they deny that our Lord Jesus is the Son of God!! it's time to take the "fight" to them!!!!! i remember a while back a newspaper wrote a column that muslims were regular people like everyone else but they are not!!! they are antichrist and so is anyone else that befriends them or favors them!!
How can these actions be surprising to people on these threads who are intollerant of ALL people of faith?
If you are referring to atheists, we aren't intolerant of people of faith. We are intolerant of the ability to use logic.
I presume you are familiar with the concept of "hate the sin but love the sinner?" The same applies here.
Don't be ridiculous. Faith is the destroyer of other faiths. Atheists are generally into secularism (freedom of belief but NO RELIGIOUS BIAS in American Law). But in actual fact the only thing that all atheists have in common is sharing the definition of atheism: lack of a belief in gods/supernatural.
You have much more to fear from people of faith than atheists.
Like Mao Zedong?
Time to burn another Koran and place the video on Youtube.
These nutjobs are trying to create trouble even in Sri Lanka where increasingly Saudi Wahabi money is being used to make them radicals. They are forcing their Halal crap on Sri Lanka and grabbing land from temples to build their mosques. So much for the "tolerant religion of peace" they claim to be.
Muslims in a drunken argument? I thought they didn't drink!!
The one I used to work for did. He also had numerous affairs. But he had his prayer rug at work and expected me to be submissive, as if I was Muslim, too.
In America we suffer from Christian Terrorism. Religion is not an instrument of social control, or a political weapon. It is private, personal and is to be entered into freely and voluntarily. Christians that use force ie the law are no better that Muslims that use force by weapons. They both qualify for TERRORIST.
Idiotic.
Idiotic? Tell that to the murdered and maimed doctors. Ever notice how the folks in groups like the Tea Party who want to take the government down usually talk about their belief in Jesus? And wander around armed?
Yes idiotic. Comparing the situation in countries like Pakistan, where Christians are persecuted and killed regularly en masse, with the rare but unconscionable and undeniably unChristian acts against abortion doctors in this country is reprehensible.
And falsely equating faith in Christ with Tea-Party affiliation shows both idiocy and political/sociocultural myopia. But this is the Vine, par-for-the-course I suppose.
The outrage in Pakistan over this incident is palpable. Unfortunately, some Pakistanis are woefully ignorant of their own faith. Their view of Islam is shaped by their politics and their politics is based on fear of the West and of playing the victims in some imagined global conspiracy to undermine Islam. These people represent Islam or Pakistan as much as Rev. Terry Jones or the Westboro Baptist Church represent Christians or Americans
Religion is good for one primary thing.
Killing.
I have no need for it, and the God I know in my heart has no need for it either.
Just like Germany before WWII.
It's so hard to fix stupid. This is the trouble with converging politics with religion.