Amid 'dirty war' debate, Argentines divided by pope's legacy

The celebration of Argentine Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's ascension to the highest leadership position in the Catholic Church continued Thursday both in the pews, and slums, of Buenos Aires. NBC's Miguel Almaguer reports.

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina – At the Catholic Church of Our Lady of Caacupé, in Barracks, a Buenos Aires neighborhood, people have been gathering daily to share their jubilation over the election of their former parish priest as Pope Francis.

"We are still flying, we have not woken up," said Rita Espinola. "We thought it would be the Brazilian, then the Italian. And then they said ‘Bergoglio’ and cheers overflowed our neighborhood.”

The church is the heart of this low-income community of some 35,000, many of them maids and construction workers.

"This poor, humble place burst with joy when we heard the news," said Father Facundo Berretta, the new leader of the parish who was ordained by the former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio in 2007.


Parishioners say they are grateful Bergoglio continued to visit them, even as he climbed through the ranks of the Catholic Church, reaching the position of archbishop and cardinal in 2001. They describe seeing Bergoglio in his robes getting off the bus a few blocks from the church to join them in religious processions.   

But not all Argentines are such fans. Some critics allege that Bergoglio failed to protect priests and challenge the military dictatorship during Argentina’s so-called “dirty war” from 1976 to 1983.

The Vatican strongly denied the accusations that Francis was silent during human rights abuses by the former dictatorship on Friday. Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi told reporters the accusations “must be clearly and firmly denied.”

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Rosa Nair Amuedo de Maddalena, a member of the Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo, speaks with reporters in front of Buenos Aires National Cathedral on Thursday. Her daughter was kidnapped during Argentina's so-called 'Dirty War' in 1976.

Dark chapter
Still, the elevation of Bergoglio to pope did not stop others from alleging he did not do enough to protect those persecuted by the dictatorship during Argentina’s darkest days.

On Thursday “Mothers of the Plaza de Mayo" marched around the square in front of the National Cathedral, as they do every Thursday afternoon, demanding justice for their children who disappeared during Argentina’s military dictatorship.

The mothers, who formed their group in 1977, have long demanded that they be reunited with their missing children. Military leaders have admitted that more than 9,000 are unaccounted for; but the mothers say the number is closer to 30,000.  

One leader of the group, Ines Vazquez, said Francis is now blessing the world, but he didn't offer blessings for those who were hurt during the time of the dictatorship. She questioned whether the pope will do something to help the mothers' cause in the future.

Bergoglio was in charge of a Jesuit congregation in 1976 when two priests from the group where abducted by agents of the dictatorship, according to journalist Horacio Verbistky. It was later discovered that the priests, Francisco Jalics and Orlando Yorio, had been tortured.   

While being questioned by investigators in November 2010, Bergoglio testified that as the priests' superior he had alerted them that they were in danger of falling victim to what he called the "military paranoia" if they continued working in a particular slum. After their abductions, he met with dictator Jorge Videla and with military commanders to advocate for the priests' freedom, he told investigators.  

The priests survived, but critics say Bergoglio should have publicly defended them and criticized the regime. 

Nobel Peace Prize winner Adolfo Perez Esquivel wrote in an op-ed published Friday in El Clarin newspaper: "I do not believe Jorge Bergoglio was an accomplice of the dictatorship, but he lacked courage to accompany our fight for human rights during the most difficult times." 

‘How far could he have gone to protect people?
Many well-known Argentinians have come out to defend Bergoglio. Human rights advocate Graciela Fernandez Meijide, who describes herself as an atheist, said speculating about Bergoglio playing a role in the abuses is unfair. 

"How far could he have gone to protect people?" she asked journalists, describing how her own son was abducted from her house during the dictatorship and she was unable to save him. She said human rights investigators never found proof that Bergoglio was involved.

She added that she believes Argentine President Cristina Fernandez Kirchner is fomenting the criticism of Bergoglio.

Relations between the president and the former cardinal could be described as tense. During sermons he often accused the administration of not helping the poor enough and of distorting inflation numbers. But relations became more heated when the cardinal led the fight against the president's attempts to legalize gay marriage in 2010. Bergoglio described it as the devil's work.

He lost, and gay marriage is now legal in Argentina.  

However, the president did wish Bergoglio well upon finding out he would be the new pope. 

‘A treasure’
Back at Bergoglio’s old church, parishioners were happy to swap stories about their old priest who last visited on Dec. 8, when he administered the sacrament of confirmation to dozens of neighbors.  

Raul Valdivieso came to show friends a photo of himself and his wife with Bergoglio. He said the priest baptized most of his family members. "We even ate 'choripan' together,” said Valdivieso, referring to the traditional Argentinian meal of sausage on Italian bread. He also liked drinking "mate," a traditional tea made with herbs, others said.

"The church today needs a pope with that kind of humility,” said Father Berretta, the parish leader. He added that he is very proud that the church has a Hispanic pope.  "For us he is a treasure."  

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Jeeeze ..pedo priests ..Vatican gay mafia ...now disappearances kidnappings and murder ..boy the catholic church sure does have a full plate

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:30 PM EDT

Here is what reveals the true Hypocrisy of a lot of Roman Catholics.

You go to other news stories. Say like the Sandusky case, or where ministers of other denominations, or teachers have been busted for these very same crimes, raping children. You will see many, who call themselves Roman Catholic, screaming in the comment sections how each and every one of these people deserve life in prison. You will read their vile and disgusting slams about how evil these people are, how it is evil to rape children, etc.

Now here is where the RCC hypocrisy comes in. A priest abuse survivor such as myself, demands that Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinals Timothy Dolan, Roger Mahony, Justin Rigali, Bernard Law, Dominik Duka, Donald Wuerl, George Pell, Humberto Medeiros, John Krol, Keith O'Brien, Leonardo Sandri, Marc Ouellet, Norberto Rivera, Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga, Richard Cushing, Tarcisio Bertone, Wilfrid Fox Napier ALL be arrested and prosecuted for their crimes of cover up of child rapes, you all come out and slam me for it? Or others for it?

What is the difference between demanding the other rapists of children, such as Jerry Sandusky be in prison for his crimes for life, but when it comes time to your own Pedophile Pimps, oh we should not only forgive them, we should not demand they face the music for their evil, or that we should not seek justice for the crimes they committed.

I especially loved one posters comment:

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Mercy leads to forgiveness, and to grace, the unmerritted favor of God. Extending mercy to someone implies that someone has offended you and committed a crime against you, where with mercy you forgive without seeking payment against the one which offended you. In other words it is a full pardon.

But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us [Romans 5:8]

Yeah each and every priest abuse survivor, MUST totally forgive and forget and seek no justice at all for the crimes committed against us. Why? Because they just happen to be your leaders, or Pedophile Pimps in our books, so we should just leave them alone and stop picking on you, your church, your leaders and shut our mouths and go away.

Yeah right, that is not going to happen until you ALL do what is right. Demand all of those credibly accused, to face the music and stop prohibiting justice for the victims of these scum.

    #1.1 - Mon Mar 18, 2013 11:04 AM EDT
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    he went to confession right afterword. hes fine, his sins have been forgiven, as long as he said his 25 hail mary's and 30 lords prayers.

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    Reply#2 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:32 PM EDT

    Why the fuss? EVERY religion will always ally with the powerful to ensure its own survival, no different in this case...

    The only way is to open ouir eyes and end the God delusion that feeds the worst in our society: Priests (of any kinds, color and flavor).

    Religion was born when the first con man met the first fool - Mark Twain.

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    #2.1 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:06 PM EDT
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    JimimdDeleted

    The clergy were victims of the "Dirty War" just as the rest of the population. They were not accomplices. The Jesuits, as the pope is, were greater targets due to their closeness to the poor. Amunaka and simply put should get out a history book once and a while before the put their flippant comments out there.

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    Reply#4 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:42 PM EDT

    To ROJS""""

    Really...

    Two Nuns Guilty in Genocide

    June 08, 2001|
    From Times Wire Services

    BRUSSELS — A Belgian court today found two Rwandan nuns guilty of war crimes in the African nation's 1994 genocide in which more than 800,000 Tutsis and moderate Hutus were slaughtered.

    The jury convicted the Roman Catholic nuns, Sisters Gertrude and Maria, of most of the counts of homicide against them. They were charged with helping Hutu extremists kill more than 5,000 people at their convent.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jun/08/news/mn-7892

    Catholic Priest Guilty In Rwanda Genocide
    Court Imposes Sentence of 15 Years

    By Sukhdev Chhatbar

    Associated Press

    Thursday, December 14, 2006

    NAIROBI, Dec. 13 -- A Catholic priest was convicted Wednesday of taking part in Rwanda's 1994 genocide by ordering militiamen to set fire to a church and then bulldoze it while 2,000 people seeking safety were huddled inside.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/13/AR2006121301948.html?nav=hcmodule

      #4.1 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:36 PM EDT
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      Same for Jimimd... you're an uneducated tool.

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      Reply#5 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:43 PM EDT
      JimimdDeleted
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      It's important to ask these questions. Organized Faith is not above inspection, criticism, and when warranted, public ridicule. On another note, the humility *spin* doctors are getting tiresome. It's worse than the 2012 Republican primary. And what's to be said about what's between the lines? Benedict was not humble? Did the Holy Spirit make a mistake with Benedict? The lack of logic with people of faith knows no bounds.

      "In order to find out who rules over you, just find out what or who you are not allowed to criticize" (Voltaire paraphrase).

        Reply#6 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 3:45 PM EDT

        "The uneducated and the misinformed are easily led astray." -- John Mellencamp

        I suppose if you don't like the pope, you can always be a Presbyterian.

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        Reply#7 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:02 PM EDT
        JimimdDeleted

        We always were divided. Argentina got the second one biggest hebrew community in te world. And the president is hebrew ( her mother is hebrew lady: Wilhem).

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:11 PM EDT

        We , argentinian always were divide. Remember we have got the second biggest jewish community of the world.And the president is jewish too. Her mother is a jewish lady: Wilhem. and she disagree with George's father, becuase, he is honest.

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        Reply#10 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:16 PM EDT

        Now we no longer have to wonder why there are so many poor people in Argentina and Pope Francis is one of them. Who rules the country makes all the difference.

          Reply#11 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 5:08 PM EDT

          "Now we no longer have to wonder why there are so many poor people in Argentina..." Really, you've figured that out, have you? Then why are there so many poor people in the United States?

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          Reply#12 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:16 PM EDT

          If one more person tells me that the new Pope took the bus to work, I may hurl.

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          Reply#13 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 6:36 PM EDT

          There's this preist that became the pope that didn't risk his life to help the leftists but also did not help the junta and he is being questioned. How many of you would have done the same in the face of death for yourself and your family/flock. Had the junta been leftist and the victims Republicanesque you would all be singing his praises. Yes?

          • 1 vote
          Reply#14 - Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:34 PM EDT

          doc online shows conclusively (unless forged) now-pope snitched big time and viciously proactively

          here are the links to

          doc translated:

          the original:

          interview in english of award-winning journalist who found the doc in the argentinian gov's archives:

          more in english:

            Reply#15 - Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:14 PM EDT

            more in english:

              Reply#16 - Tue Mar 19, 2013 3:14 PM EDT
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