What MSNBC has taught me:

1. Don't go to Mexico

2. Don't go to India

Its not on my list of places to visit, that's for sure!

Wtf is going on over there? Sounds like they need a cleansing!

Are all Indian police officers 2 star generals??

If India really wants to get rid of this stigma I think forced castration of all rapists would be a reasonable deterrent. It fits their style of justice.

And yet, in the name of "free trade," we allow American corporations, businesses and even government agencies to outsource jobs to this backwards, filthy nation.

I've got a friend who's Indian and left that awful place, emigrating to America because he said he couldn't stand living there and is now proud to be American. He wants nothing to do with his "heritage" and is more American in his culture than most American. His parents are now in the process of emigrating. They can't stand it there either. They want to be Americans.

Catch, convict, then hack their dicks off with a rusty machete.

I'm partially with you on this one, Jerry, but I'm not sure I'm ready to call this a filthy, backwards nation based on criminal activity. What I do want to know, though, is when are these corporations, businesses and government agencies going to take a stand and get those jobs (and our money) out of India? I think that would get the message across.

They used to execute people in India by having elephants kneel on them. Lets bring that back.

I will never travel to or support in any way any country that does not protect ALL of its citizens by law! Suppression of women is absurd! Ladies, do not permit your families to travel or support these countries either! Money does talk but the lowly life of a woman at this point does not!!! ABSURD!

Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to India?

Americans look incredibly zenophobic when they make comments like this. One in three American women are raped or sexually assaulted during their lifetime. You seem to think these things don't happen here. I assure you they do.

Remember Steubenville just 9 months ago, when men carried a drunken, incapacitated 16-year-old girl from party to party where two high school football players (Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond) repeatedly raping her?

Or October 2009, outside a school dance in Richmond, Calif., when a 15-year-old was gang-raped over several hours as others watched?

How about two years, when teens in Dunbar Village, Fla., were convicted of a brutal gang rape, torture, and forced incest of a woman and her 12-year-old son?

I could go on for days.

India may be poor, but crime is far less frequent in that country than it is in any major U.S. city. What is it about people on these comment threads who make such uninformed statements about things they have no knowledge of? Is this some sort of insecurity, masked by an effort to feel superior?

Grow up.

I don't have to go to India to know that women are NOT supported or protected under the laws there!! No one is disputing that women aren't raped in the United States . . . We do have laws to prosecute these sick people!!! We do not have to hide our face becasue of the negative stigma that's associated with the act . . . rape is not the fault of the victim and the victim should not have to be shamed or hide!! You, Physicist-retired, are WAY OFF BASE!!!

You, Physicist-retired, are WAY OFF BASE!!!

Actually, Melana, I'm exactly spot on. I've spent a great deal of time in India - alone and with female family members. Can you say the same?

India has laws to prosecute rapists - and after the gang rape last year, the entire country rose up in protest. We couldn't get even a small response when 12 people were killed (and 58 were wounded) in a movie theater in Aurora last year.

Can you see the difference? I certainly can.

BTW, the identity of rape victims in this country is also protected.

Yes I have been there twice. I was in the merchant marines and went there on two ships. Both times were hell. Filth is rampant, theft is commonplace, their skin is sebacious, their cuisine is disgusting, their politics are moribund, their morals are nonexistant, their belief is that America is the reason they are hungry, all their police are on the take, yes "sub " is no idle prefix for that country.

theft is commonplace, their skin is sebacious, their cuisine is disgusting, their politics are moribund, their morals are nonexistant, their belief is that America is the reason they are hungry

Absolutely none of that is even remotely true.

What is it about people on these comment threads who make such uninformed statements about things they have no knowledge of?

Physicist-retired - it appears that you are no better than the people whom you criticize. Your posts are full of unsubstantiated claims. Cite references for you statements if you expect people to take you seriously.

Stories like these make me want to echo the sentiments of a lot in here and question what tha hell is wrong with India, but I also have to agree with Physicist-retired. There's plenty of rape in the US as well--some of it brutal, and even cases of cover ups, like when it's done by priests or in the military.

MelanaC, You just did support. By using your computer. Tech support, parts as well even some of this web page information from MSN has its hands in the pie. When this country can start out sourcing its jobs and keep all its electronic parts made here then you can say you will not use or boycott something. But you and the country will have to make up its mind to do so and will have to pony up the funds for items made here.

Good grief guys, a few bad apples and the entire population of the country is @!$%#? As said previously, brutal crime happens in the U.S. all of the time and that doesn't mean we are all brutal, backwards people.

Try getting away from the trailer park once in a while and think for a change.

Okay, you're Swiss. Your country has put out a travel advisory on India telling you not to go because it's dangerous and you may be raped and robbed. You go anyway and sure enough, you are raped and robbed. Does that make you exceedingly arrogant or exceedingly stupid? Let's say yo go to Mexico where you know there are bloody drug wars going on that have spread throughout the entire country with daily murderss and kidnappings in the streets. Your country has a travel advisory out. You go anyway. You get caught in a crossfire between drug dealers and cops. You are killed. Whose fault was that? Lesson: There is somtimes a price to be paid for being stupid.

Physicist-retired

Why do people like you feel that it's okay to excuse atrocities in other countries by pointing out crimes that occur in America?

Allow me to point out that yes, the government there hurriedly passed laws to protect the women of India against rape... LAST YEAR... AFTER THE BRUTAL RAPE AND DEATH OF A YOUNG WOMAN AND THE OUTCRY OF THE REST OF THE CIVILIZED WORLD...

Perhaps the callous disregard of the value of a woman's life and dignity would not be such a fragile thing today if the Indian government had hauled its archaic misogynistic views to the burn pit earlier and the rapists had been taught a more elevated view of the female.

It is what it is... a country moving forward, but not yet ready for the free and easy life style of Western tourists, and dangerous for its own female citizens, with or without male escorts. And it's cheap and an "apples and oranges" scenario to compare it with America.

I'm sorry for what happened to the woman and her husband. Travel tip: visit no country that will not issue a firearm permit for personal protection while you are there.

Cite references for you statements if you expect people to take you seriously.

Rape claims:

Remember Steubenville just 9 months ago, when men carried a drunken, incapacitated 16-year-old girl from party to party where two high school football players (Trent Mays and Ma'lik Richmond) repeatedly raping her?

Steubenville Rape Trial: Boys Who Watched Alleged Attacks To Testify

Since this one is still in the headlines every day, I didn't really think a citation was necessary.

Or October 2009, outside a school dance in Richmond, Calif., when a 15-year-old was gang-raped over several hours as others watched?

Police: As many as 20 present at gang rape outside school dance

How about two years, when teens in Dunbar Village, Fla., were convicted of a brutal gang rape, torture, and forced incest of a woman and her 12-year-old son?

Defendant in gang rape of mother, son pleads guilty

Meanwhile, these are some 'filthy Indians':

Faces of India, by Physicist-retired

Why do people like you feel that it's okay to excuse atrocities in other countries by pointing out crimes that occur in America?

I most certainly don't 'excuse rape' screm. You misunderstand my posts if you come to that conclusion.

I abhore rape, everywhere, every time. I'm also not particularly fond of comments that degrade an entire nation, based on the actions of a few. Any reasonable person would agree with that.

i think any man found guilty of rape, should be publicly castrated...I think that would make another man reconsider the thought of doing the same disgusting act.

I rather use the firing squad for the guilty men because we can just use the dot on their forehead as a target.

Since these assmonkys can't keep their junk in their pants, let them whip it out, tie a cord to each nut and let a sacred cow attached to each cord run off in separate directions.

Physicist we understand what your saying. Nice pictures. You have to remember that not everyone who visits or travels to another country is going to be open or understanding to the cultural differences. This is a primary factor in how well you are received. So your experiance is not going to be the same as 'the one who knows' who might have had prejudice towards the people and thus was received poorly. Another example, let's say you were from another country and came to the US and went out to shoot a few games of pool, unknowingly, you visited a pool hall in 'the hood'.

What do you expect from a @!$%#e hole like that. Need to use a baseball bat on scum like that, then beat em to death with them.Problem solved

Maybe if they'd stop patting the men on the head for jobs well done when the media isn't focused on them, that would help curb the gang rape bit. It'd help if they also would actually do something about it instead of constantly claiming there's nothing they can do or they're investigating.

Physicist-retired

Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to India?

Yep, Cochin and Mumbai. And the moment you walk off the ship you're mobbed by dozens of little beggar kids who follow you from the brow to the tuk tuks waiting to take you to everyplace you didn't want to go. This was in 1995 and it was a @!$%#hole then, and I highly doubt it's changed much since.

For those of you arguing, here is the difference.

Yes, rape occurs in developed countries (EU, US, Australia, etc). Typically 80%+ of rapists are known to the victim, i.e. boyfriend, ex, etc. In places like India, Middle East, Africa (anywhere a woman has no value) a husband raping a wife would be seen as absurd and these are not counted as rapes, while they are counted in places like the US.

In places like India, Pakistan, Middle East, rape is seen as a way of controlling, subjugating women, sort of like raping cattle or sheep. You do it because you can. The majority of rapes in these countries, in fact all of them, are by strangers, typically groups of men. Why groups, because they can easily overcome a women and her husband/boyfriend. I have had several people from these countries tell me the stories of how guys go out looking to have a fun time and find a woman to rape in a gang, sort of a right of passage. Again, no stigma on the men, they are showing that they are men. The stigma is on the woman and the shame it brings to their family. Why very little prosecution, because it is the woman who was shamed, it is her family that has to deal with it. And if the issue is brought up publicly, then the woman who was raped is the adulterer, she is the one who had sex outside of marriage, which is why statistics are so hard to find and why this crime is rarely reported. I would not be surprised if 100 more women were raped while the Swiss lady was raped, but you will never hear about the other 100, again because women have no value.

It is not uncommon to for women to have to pay a dowry in places like India and many other countries. You want a website link, take a look, there are many others.

And it is not uncommon in these countries for women to then be abused, burnt, raped, etc., if the dowry paid was not sufficient. Ergo why few families want female babies, and why female babies are regularly aborted. Want another website, ok, here it is,

Yes, there is a similar concept in the west, i.e. the woman's parents tend to pay for the wedding. But whether the wedding is cheap or expensive, this is not an excuse for the husband to then beat, burn, rape (gang) or kill the wife.

Interesting I posted websites with my post and they were automatically deleted by nbcnews

So let me try again

economist . com / node / 15606229 - article in the Economist about gendercide, or the fact that most abortions involve females

indianchild . com / dowry_in_india . htm - the fact that in India a family pays the groom to take the woman

telegraph . co . uk / news / worldnews / asia / india / 9609623 / Indian-baby-suffers-horrendous-burns-in-shocking-dowry-dispute . html

WHAT the hell is going on over there? seems they need to get a handle on things.....i guess its business as usual...

Stephen-3005265

Interesting I posted websites with my post and they were automatically deleted by nbcnews

It's not a conspiracy, genius. It's called you need to post more to meet the criteria to be able to post links in your comments. It's an anti-spammer measure. I'll repost your links for you.

http://indianchild.com/dowry_in_india.htm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/9609623/Indian-baby-suffers-horrendous-burns-in-shocking-dowry-dispute.html

See, they work just fine.

makes ya' wan'a kick some hindu ass...

Come one guys. Study recent history for India. These rapists will be let go because the court will be bribed to recognize that the woman asked for it. India is the place for justice to the highest bidder. Corruption is the norm. And you are shocked that criminals run wild there?

Just like the USA - except that the raping is only financial and environmental here.

Retired Physicist, I absolutely loved your India photos - such beautiful, vibrant and soulful faces (including the camel), captured by your amazing photography.

now i know what to get the x for her birthday.a one way plane ticket to india.almost makes me feel sorry for the indians

She is welcome to move here, to America. Where our government would force her to have that baby under penalty of law if those on the Right have their way in political office. This is not a contested statement, this is something they admit openly.

If that woman just happened to find a way into our country illegally, and would have no choice but to have the baby, that baby would then be an American-born citizen, entitled to be loved and cared for as one of us, an American citizen, by the most loving, caring, inviting and embracing members of the human race: The members at the CPAC convention. Who would openly welcome an Indian-Swedish rape child as one of us reg-lar-'mericuns. That kid would get the best kind of care under conservative leadership, I'm sure. Unless they could find a way of keeping him out of our country in the first place, that is.

An uneducated Italian and her mafia gang of rapists, looters, bandits and greedy beasts have hijacked Gandhi cap Congress party and Indian govt.

Of course, the others in opposition are no better though they may be wearing different dresses.

I know a very attractive woman from India. She is 42 and she moved here 21 years ago. She says that she led a very sheltered and protected life ruled over by her father. She always resented not having very much in the way of freedom, and whenever she challenged her father about it she was over ruled without explanation.

She had no idea about the sub-culture that exists in India. When all of these things started to make the news she asked her Father about it, and if that was the reason why she was not allowed any freedom.

His answer was "Yes".

I have been to India. I was in Bangalore, India a few years ago. I remember it well since I was hospitalized with food poisoning as soon as I got off the plane back home. The place was FILTHY! And I could not believe how they walked around barefoot in all that filth. Garbage was piled at the streets presumably for pick-up but it didn't look like anybody was picking up anything. The garbage was piled high and looked like it had been there a long time. There had to be rodents everywhere with all that garbage.

I often wondered if I had forgotten to put my clothes on when I was walking around given the rude stares I was getting from the men there! There were drainage ditches that were so nasty, they were completely black and had bubbly stuff in them. I thought surely if one of those guys threw out a cigarette in those ditches, they would explode!

My husband and I did get out and about in the tuk-tuks one day and realized it was hazardous to our health to be in a vehicle there!!! Thank God it was a short stay!

In Singapore, there is a large area of Singapore called "Little India." It is almost as dirty as Bangalore!! And there too, the Indian men were not hesitant to undress you with their eyes. They make a woman feel VERY uncomfortable!!! And it is amazing how many times they have to "rub" against you when they pass you on the sidewalks and in the stores.

My heart goes out to this Swiss woman and her husband. And my heart goes out to all of the women living in that God-forsaken country called India where men treat women like garbage!!!

Maybe all tourists should go there and put all their cows on a bbq and eat them.

If a country is so silly to worship cows and starve its population, it's no religion, it's population control.

I don't see people agitated over India's religion.

But it's ok, I just can't stand seeing pictures of poor starving children in India.

The idiosyncrasy is that the few people I have met from that country were very smart, but they had all left the country instead of using their brains to stay and work on improving it.

Here's another one -

Sikar gang rape victim's health improves
(The Times of India)

Mar 17, 2013, 01.09AM

JAIPUR: The 11-year-old Sikar gangrape victim's health has improved and she has started walking with the help of others. She was shifted to All India Institute of Medical Sciences (AIIMS) from JK Lon hospital, Jaipur on February 8. The victim's sister Seema (name changed) said, "My sister has started walking. Her health has improved a lot after coming to Delhi."

In August last year, the 11-year-old girl was abducted and gangraped in Sikar. She had suffered serious injuries and was brought to the JK Lon hospital in Jaipur, where she underwent 14 minor and major surgeries. But, as the family demanded, they were shifted to AIIMS by the state government. When she was admitted to the JK Lon hospital, she was 'critical' as she suffered complete perineal tear.

Politicians of the ruling Nehru/Gandhi dynasty are some of the most corrupt with no morals.

An uneducated Italian waitress married one of the monkeys/donkeys of Gandhi dynasty and she has been ruling India for the past ten years.

Gandhi cap wearing barbarians have ensured that police, courts and media are totally corrupt.

Of course, people are also responsible.

Many don't have much education, but high egos and poor morals.

Muslims also form around 14 percent of India's population.

Like other places, they contribute to the mess.

With less then five percent, just examine the mess Muslims are inventing in the US!

Rape occurs in the US too. 89,000 are reported each year, and it is estimated that over 60% of rapes are not reported. 16% of women say they have been raped or been the victim of an attempted rape.

The US ranks #6 of all countries in rape at 28.6 per 100,000. THe US beat Zimbabwe which ranked #8. The rate in the US is SEVEN times that of India.

Canada has a rate of 1.5 per 100,000

So before you call India a ***^hole, perhaps we should fix our own problems. India is a very poor country, what is our excuse?

Source Dept of Justice

Been to India. Spent four months there. Doesn't make me an expert, but I can say I loved and hated many aspects of the country.

But its a patriarchal, family/shame driven country full of all kinds of machismo identity issues. Men there from my observation follow patterns found in a myriad of cultures - our own included - when it comes to ideals of masculinity, sexual repression and all the other -isms.

Bottom line, some of you knee-jerk self-righteous kill-them-all neanderthals need to get off your soap boxes. Abhorrent behavior isn't unique to emerging countries like India, whether culturally sanctioned/tolerated or not.

You could change India for the US, Mexico, Brazil, an endless list of nations where this gang-rape thing is getting more and more (deserved) coverage.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say its a deeper global problem. Some "men" - and I use the term loosely - I feel are simply collectively feeling threatened by the emergence of women as equals in terms of capabilities to succeed and flourish outside traditional roles. My feeling, wholly unsubstantiated by anything other that observance of trends, is that a broad spectrum of weak men across cultures and borders, simply can't get it up in the face of real women so revert to this savage, pack-minded behavior.

Put simply, a lot of male seem to be afraid of women and their responses range from gang-rape to the burkha.

Anyway, just some thoughts. No need for the xenophobes, trolls and self righteous to get their panties all twisted up.

Red_Head_Pup,

Thanks.

It's also good to see some more thoughtful comments on this thread since I left it yesterday. The world isn't a black-and-white place - anywhere.

One final thought: some people write about the open sewers, trash, etc., as if they're unique to India. They aren't. Until just a few hundred years ago, every major city in the world looked like Bangalore. Sewers were ditches along the side of the road. Municipal trash collection didn't exist. And if you happened to be walking down the street when someone was emptying their chamber pot from a second-story window - well, you get the point.

A trip to India is a bit like a trip back through time. Your own ancestors lived like that (if they were city dwellers). Which makes it all the more fascinating - at least to me.

Thank you, Physicist-retired, for your comments! You are ONLY 100% correct! You obviously have an education and are able to apply logic and common sense!

Frankly True, thank you for your statistics. We needed those in this blog. Most of the top 10 rapist nations are in Africa. I believe South Africa may be number one or close to it.

India has much to see and do for the serious tourist. There are antiquities galore, national parks with all kinds of animals, friendly people, and some of the best luxury train tours on earth. You can adjust to the food if you are open-minded. Most everyone gets "Delhi Belly" at least one time, and after that you are immunized! I learned to like the food, and several dishes are favorites. Buffets in big-name hotels are some of the best in the world. Big beautiful shopping centers, all opened within the past five years, offer virtually anything you can find in the USA, Europe or Asia, including many Western restaurant chains, and usually much cheaper.

It is a dangerous thing for two people to camp alone in a forest most any place on earth. This type of activity may sound romantic, but it is foolish and fraught with danger. Even in Yellowstone the wolves and bears will eat you. If you use common sense in India and do your sightseeing in the day, staying in secure hotels at night, there should be no problem with safety. Where can you find more than a dozen white tigers except in the Kolkata zoo? Where can you find the world's largest banyan tree, covering about a square kilometer, except south of Kolkata on readily available reasonably-priced tours? Where can you find a fully-operational 1920s-style city-wide tram system, except in Kolkata? Where can you find the world's largest railway station, a distance of one mile from one side to the other, except the Howrah station in Kolkata? Where can you find one of the world's best buffets, three times daily, except at the Hyatt Regency in the Salt Lake City area of Kolkata? We could give high points of the other major cities of India as well. If you expect everyone to be wearing a suit and tie, and driving a Mercedes, then don't go! If you expect sights and experiences unparalleled around the world, then go, and go quickly, as it is slowly getting more expensive! India is LIFE! Go and experience it!

There are 1.3 Billion people in India.

With a population that large, you can not expect that there would be no criminals at all.

There is crime in every nation on Earth.

There is rape in every nation on Earth.

99% of Indians are decent, law-abiding, hard-working people.

Even if you add up all the criminals, it would be a tiny, tiny, fraction of the total population.

It is unfortunate that people want to stereotype an entire nation, based upon the actions of a few.

When every single person in the United States is following every single Biblical teaching, then you can

point to others.

you would think people would learn not to go to India; naw, not in this life time!!!!!!!!!!!!!

blame the criminals

not the country

I blame the country.. It is a pathetic @!$%# hole.. BECAUSE they don't have laws in place to protect women from rapes.. Why do you think they are protesting, oh that's right geniuses because they want better laws..

Too many damn corporation here in America support these rapists and scammers because they do ship jobs over there.. I know an India Indian that gets paid 1500 rupies a month from AT&T that equates to 20usd per month from the company.. So next time your at&t phone rings just think that is one more rapists that country supports without stricter laws protecting it's women and you are encouraging by dealing with these companies.

When I call a company that has outsourced it's jobs to another country and I get the non-english fools on the phone I always ask to be transferred to the states to speak to someone that speaks English - it costs the company for me to speak to someone within the US.. Steinfelds which is now bay valley food has outsourced all their warehouse jobs to India. My uncle use to work for them and he would say that most the shipments from India did not meet our federal food standards because the levels of some of the crap in the brine was at toxic levels for human consumption..

Be my guest to eat these foreigners foods because the US companies feel they can slip one by the FDA, you can enjoy eating toxins and supporting lax gang rape laws.. Maybe one day you can only wish for someone to have compassion on your own daughters, mothers, wives if ever faced with laxed laws on something that violates them.. Or most of the crap on here will just think women are property..

do you not see the pattern here the Media brings it out in the open and the nuts jump on it guns rape ect ect all to get in the headlines people are sick. death penalty across the board if there is no price to pay for what you do then why not do it. got to make people responsible for there crimes don't make excuses for them Conn Colorado ect ect nuts are nuts no excuse

Blame the criminals--

not the country---

Problem is, that country is full of misogynic iron-rod wielding bus gangb^%gers.

@ Physicist-Retired

One final thought: some people write about the open sewers, trash, etc., as if they're unique to India. They aren't. Until just a few hundred years ago, every major city in the world looked like Bangalore. Sewers were ditches along the side of the road. Municipal trash collection didn't exist. And if you happened to be walking down the street when someone was emptying their chamber pot from a second-story window - well, you get the point.

A trip to India is a bit like a trip back through time. Your own ancestors lived like that (if they were city dwellers). Which makes it all the more fascinating - at least to me.

I can't stop laughing about these statements you made. Saying that what's going on in Bangalore is not unique and then comparing it to what was going on in major cities "a few hundred years ago" to prove your point is absolutely hilarious. The truth is that we are now living "a few hundred years" later and the technology to not have open sewers and filth as part of our daily lives has been around for a long time. You are indeed somewhat "unique" as a society if that's how you live today. Even the most impoverished region of nearly "every major city in the world" has trash collection and human waste control systems of some sort today.

India managed to figure out how to spin centrifuges 40 years ago and get themselves nuclear weapons yet they can't implement sanitary living conditions for scores of their own citizens? Creating sanitary living conditions is not akin to splitting the atom in complexity. They've managed to construct entire cities to develop software and field support calls for American companies yet getting a turd underground or trash out of town is a mystery.

Oh how I long to go back in time to live like my ancestors did. If only I could experience bloodletting, rampant disease, influenza that killed millions, amputations without anesthesia, raw sewage flowing in the streets, casting out of demons, drowning of witches. Fascinating indeed. I shall travel to India to experience some of these things that my ancestors did. Thank you to Bangalore as they have maintained an environment for the world to visit and "step back in time". Perhaps they should put a fence around the place, put in some turnstiles and market it as a theme park.

Oh boy.......I'm still laughing. Thanks for entertaining me this wonderful St. Paddys morning.

Sincerely,

Shake-Boy

Yay for Sally!!!

In what country aren't there rapes? With over 1 billion people India probably has less than most western countries. Don't blame the country, blame the criminals.

Yes, disgusting. But rape is not the trait of a political bias, BoredwithsameO. Your post smacks of a troll's response. Don't be a douche.

Yes rape stigma is a conservative value - even in this country where there is an underlying belief by some that women lie about being raped ("illegitimate rape") and that any pregnancy resulting from rape is a "gift." The most conservative cultures blame women when they are raped, even punishing them with imprisonment or execution for being victims of rape. That is because the most conservative cultures are male dominated and the men can't begin to think they are responsible for anything like this - the woman must have done something to provoke it. I still have to laugh at men who think they are in charge of everything except their own penis.

So we know from the gun debates that Conservatives are for Death; Jaime adds Conservatives for Rape. Boooyah!

The article describes India as a conservative country Jamie. Your hatred of liberals is clearly a mental condition that prevents you from understanding what you read.

Jamie, it's *you're an idiot* not *your an idiot*.

If you want to call someone an 'idiot', please get the grammar correct, mkay?

Bored,as Monica Lewinsky crawls out from under the desk in the ORal Office.

Wow! reading comprehension is solely lacking here.

BTW It is members of the Conservative party right here in the good ole USA that pass laws forcing ultrasound rape. Oh and then there are the conservatives who support rapists rights, ie forcing the victim to carry the spawn to term. Then forced visitation. Have you forgotten the God's Will conservatives? What about the lemons to lemonade conservatives? And on and on...................

What is conservative about any of this? Zealotry is a more apt moniker for idiots with these beliefs.

And again India absolutely filthy. You can't even imagine the smell.

PARTY DRONES are soooooo boring.

Anita;

But female teacher are free to molest boys and having their babies, is that it? Whining about being "in love" with a 13, 14,15 year old Child, PUH-LEEEZE! Double standard much? I guess child molestation is a liberal value, then? To this conservative mind, child molesters, rapists and serial killers should get a swift execution. With DNA excluding all other possibilities beyond the entire population of the planet, there should Not be endless appeals, stays and revolving door prisons brought to you by the liberal "their just misunderstood and had a deprived childhood", idiot brigade. Even so, a crummy childhood beats no childhood at all because you were killed before having a chance. Lots of people had a crummy childhood and grew up to be productive, law abiding citizens. With all those seeking to adopt and the myriad contraceptives readily and freely available, abortion should be rare. But hey, I guess the liberal can't be expected to take responsibility for their own actions.

China, as leftist a regime as is possible, mandates terminating all pregnancies not approved by the state, the leaving of female babies on hill sides to die as a means of population control, and imprisons couple and single women for becoming pregnant without state approval. Children born without state approval are denied all services as non citizens. No job, no health care, no housing. So yeah, kinda the pot calling the kettle black. North Korea is about the same using the Chinese social model.

See little miss, "I'm so superior" feminazi hack, those broad brushes you like painting others with really suck when it is you being painted with them, huh?

Right, Left, Liberal, Conservative, just words. Politicians have only two things in common, 1) If they're mouth is moving, they ARE lying to you and 2) All they care about is money and power and holding on to it. There are as many billionaires on the left side of the aisle as the right. Toss aside your partisan party indoctrination and check the facts. Of die in ignorance, I will waste no more time with you.

But female teacher are free to molest boys and having their babies, is that it? Whining about being "in love" with a 13, 14,15 year old Child, PUH-LEEEZE! Double standard much?

so, Nicodemus, do you have some sort of secret decoder ring that you can use to see words in Anita's comment that aren't there? I read her comment and didn't see anything even remotely close to what you claim she said. Or maybe, you can read her mind?

For the record, female teachers who have sex with their students are sexual predators who should be prosecuted, but until female teachers entice their students at the rate of 89,000/year--which is the rate for reported rape in the U.S. (60% of rapes go unreported), then you are comparing apples to oranges.

If you cannot make your point without name-calling, fallacious reasoning/straw men and ad hominem attacks, then you need to go home, grow up and don't come back to the adult table until you can act like one

The attacks are by the new Muslim sect.

India is a backward, corrupt country. The hospital burn wards all over India are full of women who had "kitchen fire accidents" with boiling cooking oil, acid attacks, etc. done to them by ignorant men who were angry about some things as simple as serving tea at the wrong temperature.

The politicians purchased an old cruiser hull from Eastern Europe and spending tons of money on it trying to build an aircraft carrier. The even rent a submarine and partial crew from another country, and that's their submarine naval force.

Retired Physicist, I absolutely loved your India photos - such beautiful, vibrant and soulful faces (including the camel), captured by your amazing photography.

The first prime minister of India, faking himself as Jawahar Lal Nehru was himself a big rapist!

That Nehru was himself born and brought up in a brothel!

To add value, he was wearing a Gandhi cap too.

He laid the foundation for India becoming a Brothelistan.

The current Italian ruling India is from the same Nehru and Gandhi dynasty. From top to botton, that dynasty is fake.

They have converted India to Rapistan.

@BoredwithsameO and Anita: Leave it up to a liberal to make everything political. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS, GET IT! The whole world is not political everything is not political. I know you would like to inject everything in daily existence with politics but I don't know many people left or right that would say "Rape is good". That is just you skewing this issue to suit your belief system. Stop it. This is not a political football, this violence and control pure and simple something both left and right should be against. There is idiots who will say, "rape is good" but their usually relegated to the outermost fringes of polite society and their a minority regardless of what you say.

Was this a "legitimate rape"?

If she gets pregnant will the fetus be a gift from God?

I love the hypocrisy of some on the extreme right.

The number one state for rape in the US is Alaska 75/100K at almost twice the rate of the number two state (SD) 47.9/100K

The states with the lowest rates are mostly in the Northeast (NY CT &NJ being the lowest) 11-14/100K

Funny that.

(No I don't condemn all Reps or even all far right wingers on this...but the attitudes towards woman in 'Red' States needs some work

Folks--

Blame the criminals--

not the country---

How are conservatives for death, its the libs that are ok with killing babies right? Or are you talking the death penalty? If you are poor argument, you are basically saying then that liberals are ok with killing the innocent but want to protect murderers rapists and pedophiles. I laugh everytime someone like Bill Maher brings upo that argument, conservatives are against abortion but want the death penalty, yes we do!!!! Criminals have broken the law and made their own choice, babies have not. So obviously liberals are the death merchants here.

Dear Jonathan 1982062. Your only aim seem to blame one family for the ruin of a nation. Are you not aware that the Nation itself worship penis and has temples from Kashmir to Kanyakumari worshiping "shivling'.Was Sati brought to India from Italy, was Devdasi's imported from west, has female feticides come from Italy. The very comment that you put in English is not because your family is from England, but Nehru had a role in enhancing education. IIT's originated with his vision. Some sacrificing Europeans also invested time & money in schools, hospitals and charity. Definitely the corrupt looted too, it happens today as well with those in power. Your anger against the lady reveals your true (un)Indian image which is VHP/Bajrang dal thinking which cannot accept women in leadership. Grow up

Why do people think conservatives are against women when libs have been for lighter sentences for rapists. In Cali, Jerry Brown is letting them out early because he'd rather fund our light rail than prisons to house sex offenders. Also, Colorado statesmen (and women) all with a D in front, have said women shouldnt be allowed to carry guns to defend themselves, because they would just panic and start shooting innocent people, and rapists would be able to take the gun anyway. Can libs stop their war on women already?

Why do the US and European Governments support the Indian government. This country is a failed experiment in international relations. When a young lady in India was recently beaten and savagely raped in the most disgusting way. (this wasnt simply involving the use of what this scum pass for a penis) several people in the ruling party defended the rapists and condemned the woman who sadly then passed away from her injuries. The UK alone gives this country 2 BN a year in economic aid alone. This is a country where many of the average people actually despise outsiders and are happy to abuse any woman let alone a foreigner. Today we hear reported the brutal gang rape of a swiss woman shortly the pathetic wishy washy response of the absolutely laughable response of the Swiss embassy which was incredibly weak to the point one wonders why bother to have an Embassy at all. My sympathies are with all of these women. Personally I have no sympathy and no mercy for the subhumans that behave as these people have in perpetrating these acts. Death is justified and the mercy of a sensible society would be to make that happen as soon as possible where these low life are concerned. Unfortunately, in India, civilization seems to be massively lagging behind in proportion to the massive corruption and manifest issues with wealth distribution. This is a country so corrupt where the majority views are a complete anathema to most people in western Europe, so much so we simply dont understand that these event are commonplace and largely ignored because it is seen as acceptable within a medieval caste based system.

Paragraphs - learn what they are and use them. Your post will be much easier to read.

chiluvr1228

Get a fuking life. you must have too much fuking times on your hands to worry about everyone else.

Hired Ranger, you were spot on when you mentioned caste system. It is most likely the only reason that the majority of Indians would never realize any semblance of "middle class" status. In many parts of India, if you were born a rat catcher, you and you children will always be rat catchers. If you were born into a family which buried bodies, you and your children will always bury bodies. Businesses who have outsourced, because of the caste system, in most places can employ only those whose parents were born into a certain caste. You will not find a rat catcher being trained to operate a computer or transcribe medical data for American patients. It is a cultural travesty to imprison people at a level from which they cannot emerge, but they accept that lot in life.

Tess, that's just like communism in disguise.

It reminds me of when communism started in Russia and one was assigned a job and couldn't change it.

India is just a cocktail of cultures, because the country is so weak, they were always taken over by a different empire each time.

Maybe they should have let the Brits civilize them.

Lions and Tigers and Commies OH MY!

UH NO get over it...there really has never been a real communist country. And the origins of communist thought actually began in Ancient Greece. But it is ridiculous how much your type throws that word around when you really don't know what it means. (And No I am not a communist or a socialist, I own way too much stock in way too many evil corporations to ever be one and I enjoy flying in First Class way too much)

Arise ye workers from your slumbers
Arise ye prisoners of want
For reason in revolt now thunders
And at last ends the age of cant.
Away with all your superstitions
Servile masses arise, arise
We'll change henceforth the old tradition
And spurn the dust to win the prize.

So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.
So comrades, come rally
And the last fight let us face
The Internationale unites the human race.

No more deluded by reaction
On tyrants only we'll make war
The soldiers too will take strike action
They'll break ranks and fight no more
And if those cannibals keep trying
To sacrifice us to their pride
They soon shall hear the bullets flying
We'll shoot the generals on our own side.

No saviour from on high delivers
No faith have we in prince or peer
Our own right hand the chains must shiver
Chains of hatred, greed and fear
E'er the thieves will out with their booty
And give to all a happier lot.
Each [those] at the forge must do their duty
And we'll strike while the iron is hot.

Sing Enjoy!

Yea--

So like there are no crimes or rapes in the good 'ole USA?

People--

Blame the criminals--

Not the country---

Problem is, that country is full of misogynic iron-rod wielding bus gangb#!gers.

If some holy man proclaims that all Hindu Indian males will come around in their next lives as females, in India of course, that society would sure change in a hurry.

Oh yes, and let's kill the poor children, elderly and innocent while we're at it.

In a perfect world we could eliminate the scum who thinks it is okay to attack, and act out their sexual carnage on innocent people. I would honestly love nothing more to hear of people rising up and over power the police there to get hold of the rapist and remove their spank sticks. Just a good cleave should do the trick..

They could stand to loose a few people. Elderly and kids included.

Great idea. Since we will be in the neighborhood, time to pay vist to Iran and Iraq!

Ny Ny said "

"Oh yes, and let's kill the poor children, elderly and innocent while we're at it."

You say it like it would be a bad thing? The only problem with shooting people crossing

is if we have to bury them and I'm all for letting the vultures feast. As far as India?

Nuke strike! We have old ones that we are disarming and this would be cheaper

than taking them apart.

Now jamie advocates killing American citizens to accomplish the government's goals. That's an interesting comment from someone so paranoid of the government he/she is afraid to come out from under the bed.

That's real patriotism isn't it, jamie? Do you ever think about the comments you make here or do you just throw crap out of your cage and hope it lands on one of your keepers?

"Kill em' all and let God sort em' out"! .....To bad we can't implement this strategy every once in a while........(and while we are at it, I can think of a few places in the U.S to add the list.

That's from one of our 'christian libertarians' who believe only they are allowed to make the laws and determine right from wrong. Great example you're setting for the nation there, jamie. At the same time you say you're against sharia law (even though you don't what it means) you advocate killing citizens who might disagree with your peculiar line of thought.

Your homework assignment tonight, jamie, is to read Leviticus (it's in the Old Testament where you get the idea it's not proper to be gay and such) and tell us how it is different from sharia law.

So because he believes in God, all Christians are lumped in with his line of thinking!!?!?!? In that case you must be a lesbian liberal then correct?!!?!? Wow. Got to love that circular liberal logic...It works soooo well.

Eat, Pray, Love, and don't leave your body guard home.

What could be more conservative than "Kill them all and let God sort them out?" It is a saying that I learned in the military a long time ago before Eric Holder became U S Attorney General and before President Obama became President, but it still seems to be valid U S policy, to this present day, as embodied in U S drone strike philosophy as espoused with similar views by U S Attorney General Eric Holder and President Obama despite conservative/libertarian opposition brought out recently by U S Senator Rand Paul. "Kill them all and let God sort them out" also seems to be the philosophy of "mankind" throughout history. Killing is excused due to flip-flops; here today, gone tomarrow...Morals just blowing in the wind--like some Indian Hare Krishna view of war.

Gee nice....advocating Genocide

How Hitlerian of you.

If you think you should bomb a country because of a rape, then you should start in the US, our rate of rape is 7 ties that of India.

God is watching you.

Every nation on Earth has crime.

Every nation on Earth has incidents of rape.

You are really ridiculous.

Even if you add up all the criminals, they are a tiny, tiny, fraction of the total 1.3 Billion population.

DesotoKim, are you a relative of Hitler? You must have been reading his writings! Your ideas are virtually identical with his!

Wow....this sounded like a bunch school kids getting stone while trying to have a mind-numbing conversation.

why waste the time....put a bullet in the rapist's head would send a message!

When it comes to a rapist, there's really only one appendage that needs to be cut off, well maybe two and then if violence against women or anyone continues once the equipment is gone, then more permanent measures should be taken.

To ll those attacking the rapist describing them as Hindus ---

Uh how do you know they were Hindu?

I have never met a rude person from India (though I am sure they exist), and I know a lot of Indians (Muslim, Sikh and Hindu) You want to see people who have no respect for women? Just wander in almost any trashy bar in the US, the more rednecky, the less respect you will see.

.22 behind the ear.....Cheap and easy.

No, DesotoKim, that's too easy. Cutting it off & forcing them to live w/o it.....now that would make for a miserable life. If penis-less, is a man still a "man" over there? Maybe the threat of being "de-manned" might prove an excellent deterrent. "Mis-use it, you lose it".

Rape is not a crime of sex, it is a crime of violence and domination. The sex is simply the method to achieve that.

Rape is a crime of sex and violence. It's pretty stupid to say it's just a crime of violence and domination.

Amen!

The locals have it just as bad. I had to travel there for work and I just hated it. THe conditions is China were just as bad, but I knew I wouldn't be jumpedwhile I was there. My good friend also died from an intestinal parasite and Rich was careful what he ate and drank. My friend Bob was born there and has only returned once, for his mother's funeral. I graduated with his wife from HS. She travels regularly, but the family has money and she goes no where without two armed guards. She says, if she didn't have security, she would not return. There are places equally as bad in the US, but we all know where they are, who you would be dealing with and you know what you can and can't do.

funny seeing as all you dopey Americans who love Karma and Yoga still flock to India

Folks--

Blame the criminals***

not the country---

Problem is, that country is full of misogynic iron-rodding bus-gangb*%gers.

You do realize you could get shot on your way to the store in this country, right? I think it is highly questionable whether this country is safer than most others. I certainly feel safer in Europe than here.

Camping in a forest is idiotic in any country. There way too many crazed people in this world, to be sleeping in a secluded area where anyone can just walk up to you.

BP, I guess you would rule out camping in America's state and national forests or parks. Isn't one reason we have such parks is to enable people to enjoy and preserve nature.

Now that it's legal to carry in a park I don't see an issue?

Camping in America's national parks is safer because you're allowed to be armed. I doubt that's the case in India.

India has gun control.

In case no one noticed the entire continent of Asia is communist.

the entire continent of Asia is communist?

That will be news to Japan, South Korea and dozens of other countries.

You are communist obsessed...are you sure you are not McCarthy?

Oh, is that what happens when the citizens are disarmed? If the Indian citizens were armed, you'd have the rapes AND murder. And rapes at gunpoint. Guns wouldn't solve anything. Ya know, since they do so much to stop crime in America...

R.M. lad, every day we hear of a safety officer bringing down a dirt bag. Guns are needed. Only little daisy chain libs fault the cops for cleaning up the streets. Every day we also hear of a citizen ending the miserable life of a criminal. All citizens should be armed and know how to use a weapon. Then the low lifes with illegal guns will think twice before attacking a woman.

If these animals had had access to guns, you would have had two dead tourists in this case. Like it or not, it's a LOT easier for a coward to murder from a distance with a gun than by another method.

And if the tourists would have had a gun we would have had 8 dead rapists ....what is your point? BTW if you feel Europe is safer, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.

Oh Larry, you just gotta bring in your right-wing gun-slinging rhetoric. Ignore the issue and express your paranoia.

I have no paranoia, I've packed for over 40 years all over this country and have never feared anything. I have not been robbed, wife or anybody else been raped in my presence! I just figure the Dot Heads don't have a constitution worth a damn with all this raping going on. A woman over there is somewhere in society below a cow. I live the second amendment, always have and it ain't rhetoric , just fact. The rest of you bleedin hear liberals are just like rabbits and so much sheep. I just love a country where you can get a concealed to carry and be responsible for your own life and property, as in India sometimes there is never a cop when you need one.

KJB-1929034

And if the tourists would have had a gun we would have had 8 dead rapists ....what is your point?

I love this argument. You think just because a citizen has a gun they have the know-how to use it. So tell me, if 8 gunmen come up to you and your wife.. and you are armed.. you will be able to take them all out? Please. You live in a fantasy world and have seen too many old Westerns.

My fantasy world is a lot of range time, a 15 round Rugar p85 9mm...bet a dollar I could get at least 4 while the rest ponder on if they want to be next. You don't know squat about growing up and living in Appalachia. I can just shoot out the back door if I am to lazy to go to the range...If you see 4 or 5 guys get shot what ya going to do. At least you got the option of going down rightous and taking as many as you can with you. You are right about one thing, if you can't react in a crisis, don't carry a gun and hesitation kills.

Score one for the anti gun crowd again (with the I can't see whats really happening because I have my eyes closed logic-fairy dust and unicorn horns again) Good job RM Fields!!! Don't you love these contrived scenarios that the libs come up with-"SO if you and your spouse are walking in your neighborhood and Jason from Friday the 13th, and Freddie Kruger, and 50 Orks from Lord of the Rings come up to you are you going to take them all out?" REALLY!!?!? In the first place, unicorns don't exist. Fairies don't sprinkle dust on you while you sleep. Let me ask you-When I shoot the first one, (and I wouldn't hesitate) do you really think the other seven will stay around to find out who is next?!?!? Let me ask you when you and your wife are out walking, are you going to live with watching her get raped because you didn't have anything but a cell phone in your hand and you thought 911 would get the cops there in time?!?!? What do you say?????? We are waiting????

India is multi religious.

There are: Christians, Jews, Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, etc.

theyre not any worse than Mexico , Africa and the middle east

India is a great country, but obviously in a nation of a billion, some Muslims will be animals

Why dont you have scorn for Mexican or black rapists too ?

maybe because this story is about a rape that occurred in INDIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

nobody condones rape or crime in any other country.... try to stay with the story.

Tourists are safe in India.

This is a unique, bizarre incident.

Tourists have to worry more when they visit the US.

Just recently, there was a tourist from Europe who was pulled into an alley in New York City.

What do you have against pigs and other animals?

There is no way the average Indian is near the same social status!

I wouldnt trust those people any further than I could spit.

Nice try---

Nice try, with your little PROPAGANDA ---

You are a bitter, resentful, person who is clearly jealous of the success that Indians have achieved outside of India.

Your post is just ridiculous.

You are a liar.

Mike--False accusation based upon your bigotry. Do you have one shred of evidence that the rapes in India are being done by Muslims? No, you just wanted to vomit your poisonous venom all over everyone else. Why should the "so called press" tell you what you obviously already know? I can respect someone who disagrees with me but I detest a fool who has no idea what he is talking about.

No matter the religion, women in India are treated as dirt. Even the beloved Mother Teresa treated those women as lowly slaves to their husbands, to bend at their every whim, and to bear children, no matter what, even if the next pregnancy lead to death.

bhonest...you do not have one shred of evidence they were not caused by muslims...so does that mean you are spewing your vomit of poisonous venom of liberalism???? Isn't it amazing how liberals are so quick to point their fingers and call names...my grandma always said, point your finger in the mirror first before you point it elsewhere...

Mike, 82% of India's population is Hindu, 12% is Muslim with the remaining 6% comprised of various other religious beliefs. I hardly think that 12% of a country as densely populated as India would be considered a "large" number-"large" compared to what? To the number of Christians or Jews in India? If that is the basis if your comparison, then you would be correct, but to conclude that these rapes are committed by Muslims because you think that there are large numbers of Muslims in India? Get a life!!! We are talking about INDIA, NOT Pakistan!!!!! Pakistan is the country that is predominately Muslim-get your facts straight.

What makes you bunch of mouth breathers think you rants and ravings and "statments of fact" are of any concern to another country?

almost 100,000 reported rapes in US and it is estimated over 50% do not report rapes.

Yes; let's find a way to tax those mean right wing rapists!

Said the liberal/socialist/communist/democrat. Just because a person is religious doesn't automatically make them rapists and murderers. Unless of course, you're talking to a liberal/socialist/communist/democrat who will twist the truth any way they can to make it fit their world view. You sir or madam, are a complete waste of flesh.

lalaw... well if you agree religion is ruining society...why is vp biden going to Rome to watch the pope's ceremony as an official envoy of the U.S.? Liberals who are screaming separation of church and state should be screaming at the veep not to go...oh wait...hes a democrat so it doesn't count....btw, name the religions outside of islam that believe it's ok to rape and murder women? In fact, islam probably doesn't even accept it...just some misguided individuals who twist around religious writings to fit their own twisted lives.............................I can't hear you....you said "So many of the world's religions"....

Isn't sophisticated religion capable of twisting the truth of science any way it can to make science fit its world view? It is like sophisticated and slick Bible thumper people using the Bible to prove anything they want. Sophisticated times means that manipulated science and education can be and is being used to spread ignorance. How can anyone believe or trust anything or anyone that is sophisticated nowadays?

India has been a high tourist destination for decades, and boasts not only absolutely beautiful beaches, sunsets and natural terrain, but a wealth of historical significant locations as well. It is not and really has never been an overly affluent country but neither has the Caribbean, Mexico, Jamaica or many other places that people frequent for vacations. That being said, it is clearly becoming an unsafe venue for travel, but that is a relatively new situation.

Why are we pissing away a penny in Haiti? Let God or Nature or

whatever follow it's natural course and let them die. If bleeding

hearts want to go then let them but don't waste tax dollars doing it.

Haiti? I thought this article was about India?

Gee dev, where did you learn that gem of wisdom, your local synagogue or Fox News? If you think these guys raped the woman in the name of religion or because of their religion, you must be a moron.

What is going on in India to account for the growth in gang rapes? In a few cases, the woman was with a male companion. These seem to be particularly violent.

I haven't read of such a rising number of gang rapes in any other country, although America has always had it's own fair share. There is a trial in Pennsylvania right now, with some football players, who allegedly raped a 16 year old.

Uh Ralph, that rape trial related to the football players is in Ohio. Check your sources.

A muslim man vud not do dat, let alone an indian man. It must have been hindies.

Ralph, you said you haven't read about such a rising number of gang rapes in any other country. Check the website for the Mail & Guardian, an online newspaper for South Africa, especially the editorials. Even they admit they are the rape capitol of the world.

Good, then don't. Neither country needs to lower their standards by allowing you to visit.

Often can't tell the difference between Mexico, India, and places and businesses in the U S.

Big if there Monkey......Wish in one hand and crap in the other.

If she never dreamed something like this would happen to her while traveling in India she needs to have her head examined.

I agree with everything you said except the need for permits to carry. If I can legally own the weapon I should be able to carry it concealed or not without the government saying it was okay.

@Texas

Same as in WA state. Here a lot of women have CCL's and know how to shoot. Don't know about 8 dead, but do know that 8 men would have a serious wound in their groin area. It something got shot off while that happen, oh well, it's their problem.

I doubt if those 8 would every try that again, if they survived their wounds.

Stupid posts, India has far less crime because they have far less guns. You idiots need to grow up. This woman would have got raped if she camped out in Arizona. Redneck gun nuts are no better than anyone else.

India, another third world piece of #$%^%@#$#% country. Why anyone would want to go to that garbage pile is beyond me. And if people don't have the good sense to stay out of that country then they deserve whatever happens to them. Peace on them.

why are so many tech jobs being given to Indians

fact is theyre smarter and better than US workers

Indians are smarter and better than U.S. workers? Hah!

Clearly you don't understand the American pay scale. The ONE AND ONLY reason tech jobs go to backwards countries like RAPEINDIA is Indian workers will take the job for 1/10 of the cost to the employer! Nothing more.