No, even better. We will just send more money and Weapons over to Egypt and why not send some Scientist over to Iran to Help them along with their Nuclear Program.

"So the Israeli analysts ask, what good are American promises on Iran?"

A bunch of corrupt Israeli rulers have been inventing problems and want the US and allies to solve them.

Can't the Iranians get nukes from Pakis?

Some Israeli leaders acted in similar ways before Iraqi wars.

Now it is clear that Netanyahu and some of his gang members are on the pay roll of oil rich Sunni rulers led by House of Saud, oil companies and their lobbyists.

These corrupt Israeli leaders are doing dirty jobs for House of Saud and co!

the world is over populated...really need to use guns and bullets...these nukes are to harsh on the environment...

When Iran gets the nukes, they will...

When Iran gets the nukes, they will do exactly what other countries that got nukes do.

mike nielsen

Don't worry, I am sure you are ready for Obama to raise your taxes to pay for a WAR that israel starts. I am sure you are ready to commit yourself, your family, your loves ones to another WAR against Iran. Why don't you tell us exactly what PRICE you are willing to pay to protect ISRAEL from Iran.

I'm all ears on what it will cost ISRAEL to fight till the LAST AMERICAN

they just talk crap...like who cares it's a bunch of religious nut's...doing the old love hate'n...they always do...i love my god but i hate you cause you love a different god...these people are over populating and need war to keep the population in check...

GM Fed

It seems this meeting may determine that the US will or will not support Israel in this endeavor. Amazing how the US is renewing efforts on west coast and Alaska, due to the bellicose threat of Kim Un in NK. However, Iran already has operational missiles and could soon be in the "nuke club" very quickly.

If attacked Israel has enough nukes of their own to wipe every major city in Iran off the map with a few left over for any country that wants to join Iran.

If broke ass North Korea has a bomb Iran definitely does already. ALL of this is a dog and pony show to sucker the American people and the world into yet another oil war, but this time it will be for keeps - ALL or nothing(nothing still has gains in this context) This will be the grand daddy Wars of all time. So much stolen money, so much technology we don't even know exists, so much population, so much world wide anxiety that something is going to give and give big it will.

Watch it folks Global War is coming all it needs is a catalyst that can be blamed on someone else...either the Jews or the Muslims....not sure on that one. They need a scapegoat to stay in power or the world will be looking for these men with no names.

Grill obama? why? , it will come out.....

um...eh...um...the republicans.....um ...ah...um...speculators....um...eh....um.....forward....um ..eh... um...yes we can....um ....eh..um...hope and change....um...er....um... well bush....um ....eh.....um...

wonder if they will eat him after they 'grill' him? Do us a favor!!!!!!!!!

cow -

Neither Obama nor his wife are kosher.

Israel to grill Obama over possible military strike on Iran

Another reason why I could never be a politician. I would run Netanyahu's useless ass down the road with bull@!$%# quoted above.

Benjamin Netanyahu will have one key question for Obama when they meet Wednesday: Will America launch an attack to stop Iran from developing a nuclear bomb?

This war-monger Netanyahu is just itching to drag America into another useless war just as Bush, and Cheney did. Maybe someone should look into the background of Netanyahu, see how many shares of stock is owned by him in companies involved in the military industry complex.

Let's see how much money HE makes when he SENDS America to war.

Louie Bee

If attacked Israel has enough nukes of their own to wipe every major city in Iran off the map with a few left over for any country that wants to join Iran.

Factual, Israel probably has enough nukes to destroy the world a couple times over, just like America, problem is, Israel wants America to do it for them, that way when it all goes wrong, who will get the blame.

On paper there is little light between the U.S. and Israeli positions. Obama and Netanyahu both say they will not permit Iran to obtain nuclear weapons. They both hope sanctions and political pressure will do the job. Both say all options are open, including military.

So how come neither trusts the other?

Simple answer: Because in the past the US has said one thing and done the opposite and we presently have a president who has spent his entire time in office saying one thing and doing another. The Israelis, on the other hand, mean what they say and follow through.

You people amaze me. You are prostrating yourselves to claim Israel is a bully? Can you be serious?

Syria has funded Hezbollah, one of the most notorious terrorist organizations, to attack Israel on a constant basis before the collapse. They are flanked by aggressor nations who at one point or another tried attacking Israel in order to decimate it. They simply want to live on a small parcel of land that their ancestors have had a stake in since the dawn of time and you people act like Israel is the bad guy. Amazing idiocy here.

The original poster needs to go to school. Starting about grade 2. Then come back when he can actually make an intelligent post about his point. Right now, someone needs to take up his cause, because he isn't doing it justice.

Regardless of opinions, this is what I call a crap article. It is supposed to make you think, or give you information. And it provides no opinion. Fail on all accounts. Seriously, have a point and if you don't, don't end with some stupid smarmy summary insinuating that you've gotten all to wonder about the situation more than we already have, when you haven't.

riley, Hezbollah is a terrorist group to Israel only. They are freedomfighters, who defend Lebanon from Israeli aggression and seldom venture out of Lebanon.

Syria and Iran help arm Hezbollah and the US has provided Israel with 100 times the fire power. It is Israel that attacks other countries, not Iran, a country that has not started a war with another country in almost 200 years. The Israeli attacked America in 1967, when they killed 34 American sailors and wounded 172. Here, read the timeline of the event and note that Lyndon Johnson was Jewish on both his maternal grandparents side. He practiced Christianity, but was really a closet Jew and an ardent Zionist. Note Johnsons actions and his comments.

There is a timeline
at the website which was set up to honor the American victims of the Israeli
and U.S. Military. Most of it follows.

June 8,
1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill 34 American servicemen,
wounding 171 others. It will be the highest casualty rate ever inflicted on a
U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10 crew members killed or injured. It
will also be the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this
day, the Congress of the United States of America formally refuses to
investigate.

2 June 1967. Liberty
departs Rota at top speed of 18 knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza
Strip, well within international waters.

5 June 1967, 7:45
(all times cited are local Liberty time). Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously
putting out false reports that Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks
Vice Admiral William Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as
an armed escort and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty's
"self defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and
small arms."

6 June
1967. Admiral Martin replies "Liberty is clearly marked United States ship
in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable
subject for attack by any nation . . . Request for escort denied."

7 June
1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.

8 June 1967:

1000: Two unmarked,
rocket-armed, delta-winged jets circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers
can count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an American
flag.

1030: Israeli "flying boxcar" with Israeli markings circles
Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver says, "I was actually
able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He
waved back, and actually smiled at me."

1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air force
headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising slowly off
El Arish is "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,
named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5."

1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high speed headed
toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air force fighters, loaded with
30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and napalm.

1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call for an immediate air strike.

1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack Liberty. After taking out
gun mounts, they target ship's antennae and bridge with heat-seeking missiles.

1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with napalm and
rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but five of Liberty's
six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator manages to send distress signal
from Captain McGonagle: "Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance." Attack lasts approximately 22 minutes,
involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and wounding around 60. Israeli
pilot reports to base: "Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's
burning."

1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call for help,
dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty that help is on the way.
Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara orders rescue jets to
return: : "Tell Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back
immediately." Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them to re-launch
jets in 90 minutes.

1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats approach Liberty in
attack formation. Because the Israeli fighters had destroyed the American flag,
Captain McGonagle orders the signalman to hoist the "holiday ensign,"
the largest flag the ship has.

1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes at Liberty.
One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA area, accounting for 25 of the
34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats then circle, machine-gunning the ship
with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes.

1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and USS Saratoga to
send aircraft to defend Liberty.

1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the attack from either
the America or Saratoga: "USS Liberty has been reportedly torpedoed by
unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request examine all communications for
possible reaction/reflections and report accordingly."

1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet: "Sending aircraft to cover
you. Surface units on the way." Liberty is off the air and does not
receive the message.

1511: First "official" notice that Liberty is under attack reaches
National Military Command Center in Washington.

1515: After the order to "prepare to abandon ship" comes over the
loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli torpedo
boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on deck, making
them all unusable. "I watched with horror as the floating life rafts were
riddled with holes," recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in charge of the
evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the event: "They
didn't want anyone to live." After destroying the life rafts, the Israeli
boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet assault
helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several times, then
depart.

1600: Liberty transmits: "Flash, flash, flash. I pass in the blind. We
are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface craft." Deputy
Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of Joint Reconnaissance
Center, Captain Vineyard, that "consideration was then being given by some
unnamed Washington authorities to sink the Liberty in order that newspaper men
would be unable to photograph her and thus inflame public opinion against the
Israelis." Tordella makes an "impolite" comment about the idea,
writes a memo of the conversation for the record, and stores it away.

1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled;
order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to
embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.

1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.

9 June 1967:

After midnight: Soviet guided missile
destroyer sends flashing-light message in English: "Do you need
help?" Liberty responds: "No thank you." Soviets answer: "I
will stand by in case you need me."

0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey
arrive.

Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by helicopter.

1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty,
because it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply
ship El Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.

10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd to convene
Navy Court of Inquiry.

11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty
with small staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.

14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total
news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: "You are never,
repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse."
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, "Department of Defense
will have no further comment."

15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk
tells NATO ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel's attack was deliberate. His
remark is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.

July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six
Liberty crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected
describing the six as having "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean."
Liberty survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.

September 1967: State Department legal
adviser Carl Salans finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His
report is classified Top Secret.

11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President
of the United States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the
Navy during a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the
Medal is presented a back-handed slap. "Everyone else received their medal
at the White House," Moorer will later observe. "President Johnson
must have been concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby."

1980: National Security Agency Director
Marshall Carter tells investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the
attack on the Liberty, "There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate."

1981: National Security Agency review,
"Attack on a Sigint Collector, the USS Liberty Incident," rejects the
Israeli Court of Inquiry's "mistake" theory and accuses Israeli
fighter pilots and torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.

1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.

6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six
Liberty crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one
reads: "Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967."

1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes
in Naval Law Review: "To speculate on the motives of an attack group that
uses unmarked planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises
disturbing possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not meant
to survive the attack..."

6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."

8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed
Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly
well that the ship was American."

November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his
long silence: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was
deliberate. I don't think there has been an adequate investigation of the
incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack..." McGonagle will
die four months later, on March 3, 1999.

RALPH H; VERY WELL WRITTEN, Johnson was a drunk wimp, McNamara was a bean pusher, neither cared about the safety of our sailors; question why was Liberty attacked; best answer so far is it was a electronic monitoring ship, it could read the codes being sent by Israel high command to its armed forces, they wanted to keep it a secret; we should have responded with our fighters; however the armed chair warriors in the white house did not give a damn about our service people.

as to Israel and Iran today; with or without American support, as soon as Iran has a Nuclear weapon, Israel will attack, and with Nuclear weapons, our delay in playing politics with Iran, is going to plunge the Middle east into a Nuclear war.

Ralph, I notice that all of the info you are providing is at least a decade or more old. I have asked you in previous posts for more current info, as in the last 5 to 10 years, to which you could not or would not reply. At the beginning of your post you stated that your info on the U.S.S. Liberty came from a "...website which was set up to honor the American victims.." All well and good except that you neglected to mention the name of the website nor give official sources for your following statements. Hard to have credibility if you are not willing or able to back yourself up. Anybody and their brother can post whatever they want and it is meaningless without official sources.

Tommy6860 Comment collapsed by the community

How do we fund this war, unlike how Bush didn't fund the Iraq and Afghanistan wars (and the pharma bill), all of which still isn't included in the debt?

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that our current President gives a @!$%# even less about "lack of funding" than did our last one.

As for your question (if it actually was a question) of course that war spending is included in the debt. Every penny spent by the gov for any reason is included in the debt. If you lack the ability to understand even the basics of how the debt works maybe you should avoid commenting on it until after you've gotten a clue.

moshuluu

Factual, Israel probably has enough...

So it's a fact that they probably have something? LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist pointing out the absurdity of that comment.

The only reason wars are useless nowadays is because there are no more spoils. There was a time when you went to war with a country and won that country was decimated to the point where there was no coming back, you took everything that they had, killed all the men, and took the women and children as slaves, well the ones dumb enough not to flee the city while the men fought to the death. At the end of the war your country was repaid the cost of war and there was a profit. The only reason we "lose" wars is because America is too worried about the "rules of war" while the countries that we are fighting don't care about the supposed rules. Do you think Iran cares about the rules? Do you think North Korea cares about the rules? When we're not allowed to bomb a hospital guess where the enemy hides weapons and supplies... When you allow the enemy to exploit loopholes you will NEVER win because you will never truly be able to completely erradicate the threat. There will always be a part that survives. They will go into hiding for a bit until they have replenished their number and supplies and they will attack again in the future.

The reality is that Israel doesn't trust Obama to do anything to stop Iran from getting the bomb, with good reason. He's proven himself to be incapable of making difficult decisions (all talk, no action).

I was going to come on here swinging. My concern over the constant fighting in the middle east. And then, I read some, of the posts and realized, we are not any different that the very people we distrust. Americans cannot agree on anything either. Yes, words on a post, are less violent, than bombs but they do not settle anything. Every emotion is expressed on these posts but nothing ever gets settled. There is a difference between opinions hatred. We have only one trait in common. We are humans. Sometimes, I even wonder about that. And I am not excusing myself, I can be just as facetious and condescending, as anyone.

I believe President Obama has been treated more unfairly than any president in my memory. Bush got a bye, even though he got us into a war based on lies. Nixon, the ultimate con artist, was so paranoid he self-ejected himself out of the presidency. Jimmy Carter was not an evil man and ignored the Washington elite. He was never accepted as "one of the in crowd" and refused to compromise his principles. Bill Clinton was charismatic and very intelligent but he let all of his supporters down when "M"

I could go on and on, but that is what all of do. We talk the talk but we cannot walk the walk. Maybe it is time the Middle East needs to clean their own house, without the interference of all the other nations. I do not have the answers. I don't have to the questions. The issues are so convoluted and twisted.

So maybe humanity has made life so difficult to live, we have forgotten caring and loving are part of the process. We need to to find a sense of peace and forgiveness. We need to change our mind set. Everyone should be able to know what it is to have a decent, peaceful life.

GM Jack!!

Dont you find it ODD that IRAN’S leading nuclear scientist, Mohsen FakhrizadehMahabadi, is believed to have travelled to North Korea to observe its third nuclear test last week, according to western intelligence sources???????

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/world_news/Middle_East/article1215608.ece

Stranger still......the liberal media never reported it!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-test.html

Iran, North Korea sign agreement on scientific, academic, technological cooperation
http://old.irna.ir/News/General/Iran,-North-Korea-sign-agreement-on-scientific,-academic,-technological-cooperation/80303242

“Very possible” that the North Koreans are testing nuclear bombs for Iran, says U.S. official. Will President propose a full missile defense system tonight?

http://flashtrafficblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/very-possible-that-the-north-koreans-are-testing-nuclear-bombs-for-iran-says-u-s-official/

Saxon: "as to Israel and Iran today; with or without American support, as soon as Iran has a Nuclear weapon, Israel will attack, and with Nuclear weapons, our delay in playing politics with Iran, is going to plunge the Middle east into a Nuclear war."

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So Israel initiaiting a nuclear attack triggers a Mideast nuclear war, and this is because of OUR DELAY IN PLAYING POLITICS, as opposed to our attacking Iran now? So it's our job and responsibiity to stop to idiot countries over there from going aat it? By the way, if Israel nukes Iran, Iran probably won't be able to respond, so there will be no Mideast nuclear war in that case, because no other country in the Mideast has nukes. On the other hand, if Iran can respond, Israel gets what it asked for, just leave us out of it.

Im really amazed at all the people here that seem to think that Hezbollah would stop once Israel has been eradicated. Do you read the Quran? Dont you realize that once the Zionists have ceased to become the enemy then the Christians do. Once we Christians are eradicated then the Infidels do. Once the Infidels are eradicated the Shiites will turn on the Sunnis. Once the Sunnis are eradicated then the fringe Shiites are targeted. READ THE QURAN people, its not rocket science.

Every extremist Muslim faction (just like Hezbollah) with money and weapons wants to expand in conjunction with Allah's will. The Israelis dont. They want their land and they want to be left alone. THEY HAVE NO TERRITORIAL CLAIMS except for the slim piece of dead ground they are fighting with Palestine over.

We have killed 600,000 children in Iraq and Afghanistan. We did it through the blockade and not allowing needed medicines to reach these kids. Do you think these people are going to forget that???

Thanks to the jewish lobby here in the US we are constantly being dragged into their messes. Allowing the jews to occupy Palestine was the worst thing the governments of the world could have ever done. Now we are constantly mired in a struggle for life and death in the middle east. Im tired of it, you should be too. Stop sending your kids to die in wars that had nothing to do with 9-11 or us period. If the jews want to run the middle east let them sacrifice their children to get it done. We never needed oil. God gave us the perfect fuel. Its called Alcohol. Burns absolutely clean, totally renewable, engines last twice as long. Weve all been a part of this scam. A scam to make the middle east more important than it really was. We never needed the oil.

In 1915 after inventing the model T Henry Ford was asked by a reporter what he saw in the future. Without hesitation Henry Ford said "I see alcohol stores on every corner."

Its not hard to see how this oil monopoly has hurt us as a nation. We are just ping pong balls being hit back and forth. Republican then Democrat. It doesnt matter who is president. They all sign on to this conspiracy.

The more I think about it, the more I feel history repeating itself. Seems to me Netanyahu is trying to pull the same @!$%# Khrushchev did trying to intimidate Kennedy during his administration,1963. There is no doubt in my mind Netanyahu has been studying those years, and is attempting the same thing on President Obama.

liberals steal your money
Why are all you warmongering Democrats/Israeli supporters so hell bent on starting another worthless war we cannot win.

I didn't know Romney was a Democrat...

"And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes, committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel, and I say there's just no way."

Mitt Romney, May 17, 2012

I was a Marine in 1978 when Iran took our embassy & 50 hostages & held the for 444 days until the very minute Reagen took office.We didn't do our job then & things have only gotton worse.Now the mess is left for our kids & grandkids to clean up.By the looks of many of these posts, many Americans appear to be content to bury their heads in the sand as if nothing is happening.Appeasement kept us out of ww2 until it was almost too late.We should learn from that mistake instead of ignoring it.Isreal has everything to lose & they are going to take action whether the US or the world likes it or not & it is our obligation to support them 100%.There is & has always been evil in this world & to deny it exists is not only naive, it's downright irresponsible.One way or another, Iran will be disarmed. N.Korea should take note because they are next!Waiting for an attack that has repeatedly been threatened is what brought us 9/11 & if innocent civilians are killed they should NOT be our own!

raging bull2020

Appeasement kept us out of ww2 until it was almost too late.We should learn from that mistake instead of ignoring it

Ummm, we currently have troops, literally, all over the world. Other nations have drastically cut the military budgets because they know we are there picking up all of the slack. Try getting a little historical perspective before making ridiculous comparisons.

Thanks RalphH for posting the correct story of the USS Liberty, a US Navy ship that was deliberately attacked while in international waters. It should be taught in every American school history class. That is what happened and to this day, not one Israeli has been held accountable for the murder of 34 US sailors.

COYOTEHUNTER

When Iran gets the nukes, they will not even cool off before they are launched at isreal, and n kjorea with simultaneously attack s korea, and your worries about our economic collapse, being "dragged" into another war will be over because it will be a war like none of the 30 and 40 somethings have seen or experienced...its not if Iran/korea will start war, its WHEN will they.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds

Nothing more to say.

LiberalsRCommies

We have killed 600,000 children in Iraq and Afghanistan. We did it through the blockade and not allowing needed medicines to reach these kids. Do you think these people are going to forget that???

Thanks to the jewish lobby here in the US we are constantly being dragged into their messes. Allowing the jews to occupy Palestine was the worst thing the governments of the world could have ever done.

I'm trying to determine if you are associated with Hezbollah or First Church of Aryan Nations.

part #1. first of all the current "state" of israel is illegal in the eyes of their own god. because of their constant screwing up earlier on in their history they were cursed by their own god and were made to live without a homeland of their own until certain conditions were met. not the least of those conditions was the "12 times 12 generations of wandering and living under the rule of the lands they wandered to. so, in short, as far as god is concerned, the country known as israel and it's jewish inhabitants are living in direct defiance of their own gods decrees.

SO....@!$%#'em! let the iranians do what the rest of the world WANTS to do but doesn't have the balls TO do! it's all o.k. with god!

part #2. the false jews, known as the zionists, who now inhabit israel, will be a necessary part of satans army at armageddon. these people are who the bible describes as "those who call themselves jews but are not". they are of satans brood, not gods therefore allowing them to be wiped out by iranian nuclear missiles is simply all part of gods plan. any countries in support of the illegal israeli state are also part of satans brood and will fight, to no avail, in support of satans army at armageddon. the united states, if it's the "godly" country it claims to be, should drop it's support of israel like it was a hot rock or incur gods wrath at the final battle!

part #3. the world sucks, people are friggin crazy and then we die...Amen-ra.

Do the Israeli Zionist sociopaths think they own the U.S. and our president?

They own the Fed Reserve and control our economy, set nearly all U.S. banking rules and regs, set our nation's interest rates, print our currency, then charge the U.S. interest for a simple accounting book entry (printing out of thin air American dollars to loan to the U.S. treasury), and just about everything else having to do with the U.S. economic interests. They have implanted many dual citizens in our government for their benefit. These dual citizens chose Israeli interests over those of America. Talk about a conflict of interest.

Why else do you think Netanyahu feels that he has a right to "grill" our President Obama?

to gil-2076580,

you hit the nail right on the head! except for the conflict of interest part. can't have a conflict of interest when you run everything. the jews look at the rest of the world like we are dogs! just animal gentiles to do israels bidding. so, when someone or some group has THAT view of everyone else it's no wonder why they treat our president like they own him! a high ranking slave is still a slave!

Wow, collapse my 2 sentences, but leave Ralph's book.

I certainly hope Mr. Hope and Change grovels appropriately before the leaders of Israel. For the last thirty or so years that's one of the indispensable things that every president has to do.

Eulogy israeli Foreign Minister (and former general), Moshe Dayan delivered for a Jew killed by Arabs on the Gaza border in 1956: "Let us not heap accusations on the murderers," he said. "How can we complain about their deep hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the Gaza refugee camps, and before their very eyes, we are possessing the land and the villages where they and their ancestors have lived. We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."

In April 1969, Dayan told the Jewish newspaper Ha'aretz: "There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

"...Because of the Holocaust, "anti-Semitism" is such a powerful instrument of emotional blackmail that it effectively pre-empts rational discussion of Israel and its conduct. It is for this reason that many good people can witness daily evidence of Israeli inhumanity toward the "Palestinians' collective punishment," destruction of olive groves, routine harassment, judicial prejudice, denial of medical services, assassinations, torture, apartheid-based segregation, etc. -- yet not denounce it for fear of being branded "anti-Semitic." To be free to acknowledge Zionism's racist nature, therefore, one must debunk the calumny of "anti-Semitism." "

Oh, is that what he's doing over there? And here I was thinking he was on another vacation visiting all the sites. Hey look, I like the guy as a person and all, but a president ..... nah, he's has not and is not going to do anything good for this country.

Hey, but at least he took the time to fill out the NCAA Bracket before he left. He certainly knows a little something about basketball and how to throw a party, maybe that's what he's explaining to Netanyahu.

Yea, are you dense? what about the dems and their warmongering? Oh wait, they both work for the same global interests...

It's a game.

They both spew crap back and forth and get the mindless to follow them while they live in luxury and laugh at the idiocy of all of the sheep as they lie, cheat, steal, and trample over them.

If the partisan idiots that pollute these forums even paid attention to the election, they'd realize Romney had almost the exact same intentions as Obama on things like health care, gun control, etc.

NRA this, Republican that, Liberal this, Democrat that. Get some new material or come out of your little fantasy worlds. It's getting old and everyone that actually cares and pays attention is sick of it.

Israel gets bombed, Iran gets bombed. Conclusion: They figured out their problem like a two grown up instead of calling their caretaker, Sun shines the next morning - the way I see it.

Iran getting the bomb isn't the direct threat to the U.S.

It's the proliferation of the bomb that will follow...especially in an area where there are far too many Allah/God crazies that would not hesitate on using a bomb against U.S. interests if given the opportunity. That's the fundamental reason why Bush decided to go into Iraq ...unfortunately, it was based on faulty intelligence so the urgency just wasn't there.

Face it, Nagasaki will not be the last city the bomb will be used on...millions will have to die before mankind will (possibly) have the will to stop the madness. So even if we do stop Iran from getting the bomb...it will only be a stopgap solution to a nuclear holocaust that the world is hellbent to have.

Agreed!

Though I am a Jewish supporter, I strongly feel that corrupt/stupid/arrogant Netanyayu and his gangsters are crossing red lines.

"Three key issues will dominate the agenda: Iran, Syria and the Palestinians."

What is problem with corrupt Israel leaders if Shiites and Sunnis are battling and killing each other in Syria?

What are the rates paid by oil rich Sunni rulers and their lobbyists to these AHs?

We should ask these corrupt free loaders: how much did they support NATO forces during Iraqi wars?

Sometimes, one has to tell even friends: GO TO HELL!

If we - the United States - start a war with Iran we will have to destroy that country totally. No Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan half measures. Total destruction or let them build their bomb. I don't know the answer, but we, the people, have to be ready to make a choice.

It is not just the GOP. There are many democrates including Obama that is toying with attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. I don't Obama has any reservations about spending money on anything as he said we don't have a debt problem.

Johnathan 1982062,

Regarding the Israelis helping us in Iraq, President Bush asked them to not get involved because of the possibility there could be an escalation of the war due to the religious aspect. I'm sure the Israelis were itching to get involved but, were prevented from doing so.

President Bush was probably also concerned that the Israelis would not have been as kind to the Iraqis as we were (to our own detriment). Had we taken a less kind stance in that war, we would have lost fewer of our people and, fewer of our people would have not been maimed.

birdie, that plague of locusts started in Egypt...just as it apparently did in Old Testament times.

It is not just the GOP. There are many democrates including Obama that is toying with attacking Iran's nuclear facilities. I don't believe Obama has any reservations about spending money on anything as he said we don't have a debt problem.

we the people don't get to vote on wars...only get to vote for who we want to start them...we have a choice of two corporately backed party's...who make money off these wars of the candidate they backed...i think most people regardless of where in the world they are prefer no war...go figure...

Why do the democrats always want to blame the Republicans for everything? That is their excuse for all the screw ups. After all it was Kennedy that started sending so called advisors to Vietnam and bombing the north.. It was Nixon who got us out. Just like Obama calls the troops that are going to be left behind in Iraq and Afganistan "Advisors"! If you are in a combat zone you are a combat soldier...period! I wish he'd of followed the Pope's lead and just quit!!!

...and there before me a pale horse, its rider named Death, and Hell followed close behind ...

Yeah how dare Netanyahu not want a nation that considers the holocaust to be made up and believes that Israel should be destroyed and all its people be massacred. Damn that warmonger Netanyahu!!!!!!!! In case you didn't figure it out that is sarcasm. Earthie is it? You are easily a worthless pile of crap and an obvious anti semite

Now see, it's ludicrous statements like this that frost my a$$. Why the f*ck is it that just because you're sick and tired of fighting other nation's wars, and that we in the United States just want to be left alone, and want Israel to fight its OWN damn battles, this makes you an anti-Semite??????

Feel free to grab an M-16, hop on the next plane to Tehran and go straighten everything out over there if you're THAT adamant about it. Go ahead. Go give Ahmadinejad and Ayatollahs a piece of your mind. Let the rest of us know how you make out. Leave the rest of us alone. I'M NOT sacrificing my son's life, or any other parent's son NOR any other young woman's husband to fight in another asinine Middle Eastern war. Israel wants war? FINE. Let THEM send their in guys die to fight and die for it. NOT ours. As far as I'm concerned, pass the popcorn, please.

Americans agree that Israel is our strong ally and we have their back. However, we aren't going to start any wars in their behalf. Israel is fully capable of defending themselves if indeed they have the gall to mouth-of about Iran time and time again. Iran has no missile capabilities for reaching US soil, but they can reach Israel. So, Israel should start their own wars and then ask if America will help. We don't need a joint venture that will run up our debt even more while Israel prospers. Its time to grow up, Israel, or be eradicated forever

Too bad close to 1/2 of Israelis are progressive humanists and want peace and understand that Palestinians were forcibly removed from their homes and land by apartheid policies of ZioNazis. If it was not for those humane good loving Jews we could nuke the bankster war profiteering monetary system monopolizing pigs with a clean conscience. I bet you thought Jews don't eat pork because they recognized way back when that it could have trichinosis? The truth is if Netanyahu were to eat pig he could eat himself. In compensation for what the pigs who installed the Shaw and other atrocities to the people of Iran so the pigs could profit off of the people's resources, the USA should give Iran about 100 nuclear weapons and missiles right out.

Israel is already an nuke owning nation.

"freedomfrysIf we - the United States - start a war with Iran..."

How old are you?

Did you know that in 11/1979 when the Iranian government allowed the taking over of the US Embassy and killing US marines as well as holding US citizens hostage, was considered a Declaration of War?

The only problem is we had a chicken sh1t of a president "Carter" that didn't know what to do like Obama is kiss their ass. As I have stated since 1979, Iran needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.

BTW, a little history lesson the current leader of Iran was one of those "students" that started the problem in 1979

Put it back in your pants Bebe.

Earthie

Why are we building up our defenses in AK and CA? Could it be that a little country has threatened us with Nukes?

Why is it ok for the USA to protect Her Self but not Israel?

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.....Ummmm, may I point out that the USA's method of protecting herself (not Her Self) has not included attacking that little country, nor has Iran specifically threatened to nuke Israel in the same manner. Our approach is a lot more sensible and a hell of a lot less risky than what the Israeli leadership is proposing. I think what the Israeli leadership is moslty concerned with is losing leverage, they have nukes and no one else in the Mideast does, so if Iran gets them, there goes the leverge. But the Israelis do have nukes, and I'd be very surprised if they didn't have a doomsday type of plan to use them against any country attacking them, and that Iran knows this. Getting nukes is prize enough for Iran, they don't have to use them, just as North Korea hasn't used them, and remember, NK has over the years launched conventional attack against South Korea, but holds back its nukes. I think they know what we would do to them if they made that mistake. We still have a massive nuclear capability, following is a little bit of Internet info on just one part of that arsenal:

The U.S. Navy has 18 "Ohio" class nuclear submarines, 14 SSBNs and 4 SSGNs. An SSBN has 24 Trident II ICBMs, each carrying an 8 MIRV nuclear warhead, giving each SSBN a total of 192 nukes. An SSGN has 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles which can be equipped with either conventional or nuclear warheads. Therefore, an individual "Ohio" class submarine has the capability to fry any country in the world.

We could simply tell Iran (if we haven't already), "You try to nuke Israel, we nuke you". Maybe a lot of you don't remember how bellicose and belligerent the Soviet Union was against us, always making threats, even shooting down a commercial airliner with Americans (including a Congressman) on board, and they had lots of nukes, but so did we, so nothing happened.

Why is the worlds response so one sided to this Palestinian and Israeli conflict....what about all the passion to remove Anglo's from American Indian land? Wheres the passion to remove all the Brit's from Australia and give it back to the Aboriginals?? Ill tell you why because the American Indians and the Aboriginal's don't have any money, and they don't own the media, the banks, the lobbying groups???

The Israelis lost that land thousands of years ago and then it was given to them NO WAR TO WIN IT BACK...The Brits just handed it to them. War claims the land and War reclaims it, but people have been manipulated for years that it is owed to them...then all the lands are owed to the original inhabitants then too!

Hawaii you will get your islands back. Russia give up all those countries too. The Anglo Elitists have decimated this Earth for hundreds and hundreds of years the whole world is a mess of redrawn borders and ethnicity yet this small amount of land is owed to the Zionists...strange...at least half of the Jewish are good people and realize this the other half are terrorists just like those they are fighting.

Let this WarMonger Israel fend for themselves, they are probably looking for more foreign aid ( "U.S., Tax Dollars" ) to support their Nation !!!

When is Israel going to stop sucking the blood out of this Country ???

Will Smith said it best in that movie "men in black". he said to the alien "Don't start sht, wont be sht."

here is a crazy idea. Isreal stops murdering people (including children) for land and water, stops putting people in prison without hearing or trial, isreal allows the red cross to bring food and medical supplies into Gaza. Go back to the original borders. AND THEN MAYBE THE ARABS WONT HATE ISRAEL SO MUCH.

Isreal has two problems they wont talk about. First is a severe lack of fresh water, which the west bank has plenty of. which is why they build settlements.

Second : Israel is afraid that the Arabs who are living in israel and are citizens, will out birth them and take more control of the gov. So they keep bringing in Immigrant, Jews, mostly from Russia and making them immediate citizens with voting rights. But israel does not have enough water to support a larger and larger population, so it invades and builds settlements near the water.

And they want us to support their ponzi scheme with American lives and money. And most of you are supporting this.

To confused veteran: Carter tried the milatary option of rescue and we lost two choppers full of men. how many hostages would be alive if we launched a full scale war? answer: none. the whole thing started when America installed the sha who was just as vile as Saddam. the sha had his secret police and his own torcher prisons which sparked the revolution when he died.

REagan purchased the delayed freedom of the hostages by sending iran weapons. guess you don't remember your buddy ollie north. sold drugs to buy weapons for the ayatollah. in exchange they held the prisoners till the election was over.

Mea Culpa, my post above somehow omitted the original poster Times-Running-Out who was responding to Earthie by mentioning our protection of AK and CZ. didn't catch it in time, I admit to my mistake.

911 was because of Israel, GOP supporting this WarMonger Nation killed over 3000 Americans, for what !!!

concerned veteran

As I have stated since 1979, Iran needs to be wiped off the face of the planet.

Before you call for the total destruction Iran, you should visit the country so you can meet all the innocent people you are about to kill. It'll put things in perspective for you. I am guessing you have never been to Iran. It's easy to dehumanize a people you have never met (and yes, I have been to Iran).

maybe they will eat him after they 'grill' him.

"guess you don't remember your buddy ollie north." Isn't amazing how DC try's to bury it's past.I wonder where he is. He was a criminal following criminal orders in a uniform.

I wonder if any seated Democrat Sentors used any of Ollie's drugs back than?

The above documentation explains and proves all “reasons” for war on Iran are known to be lies as they are told.

To help place US lies on Iran in context, we know now from official US government reports that all “reasons” for war on Iraq were known to be lies as they were told.

cow

He's undercooked, has plenty of union parasites still!

"george pauljohn

To confused veteran: Carter tried the milatary option of rescue and we lost two choppers full of men. how many hostages would be alive if we launched a full scale war? answer: none. the whole thing started when America installed the sha who was just as vile as Saddam. the sha had his secret police and his own torcher prisons which sparked the revolution when he died.

REagan purchased the delayed freedom of the hostages by sending iran weapons. guess you don't remember your buddy ollie north. sold drugs to buy weapons for the ayatollah. in exchange they held the prisoners till the election was over."

I remember all of it, the peanut farmer did a half ass job as he always did when he was president. When Teflon Ron and Colonel Oliver North participated in those fiasco's. Col. North should have been charged under UCMJ, instead of kissing ass on televised proceedings.

You truly need to learn history America DID NOT install the Shah, try learning some history and you will possibly learn that the Shah was put into power by the Allied forces during WW2. Please learn more history so can remove the doubt of being uninformed and showing your lack of knowledge. BTW, Iran had those weapons prior to Teflon Ron. They had been purchased during WW2, 50's, 60's and early 70's.

JediUtahn: "...what about all the passion to remove Anglo's from American Indian land?"

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..........Okay, great start, but after that, what about the passion to remove the Sioux and Cheyenne from Crow land, Comanche from Kiowa land, etc. Where do you start and where do you stop putting everything back where it used to be, if can you even figure that out.

Times-Running-Out

Why are we building up our defenses in AK and CA? Could it be that a little country has threatened us with Nukes?

Why is it ok for the USA to protect Her Self but not Israel?

Because it IS ourselves...we're not Israel, we have never been Israel, we will never be Israel. Why do you feel we owe Israel our blood?

Roadhouse Blues

JediUtahn: "...what about all the passion to remove Anglo's from American Indian land?"

And if one of the current Archeological theory is correct, what about removing American Indians from Solutrean's land?

Eulogy israeli Foreign Minister (and former general), Moshe Dayan delivered for a Jew killed by Arabs on the Gaza border in 1956: "Let us not heap accusations on the murderers," he said. "How can we complain about their deep hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the Gaza refugee camps, and before their very eyes, we are possessing the land and the villages where they and their ancestors have lived. We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."

In April 1969, Dayan told the Jewish newspaper Ha'aretz: "There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

Most of the Worlds Nations, I.M.O.even the majority of our population,do not support the Israeli Illegal expansion into Palestine. We should insist that they return the lands that they have stolen from the original inhabitants and we should protect the weak and unfortunate Palestinians from the continued aggression of their Jewish neighbours. Most of the world sympathised with the slaughter of the Jews,but that has not given them a pass on their Fascist behaviour to their weaker neighbours.

If AIPAC didn't exist, would the US politicians even care?

There is a time to laugh and a time not to laugh, and this is not one of them. :))

The civilized world does not have too much time to "laugh", in view of the progress Iran is making towards their nuclear ambitions and their known intentions.

If the Iranians get the bomb, then they will use it. They don't believe in death. They believe in sacrificing their lives for the greater good of Islam. They believe that if they kill Israel then the golden age of Islam will be brought into being, and Islam will reach all over the world. Then they will come to our country, The Great Satan as it were. Any questions on how they will want to deal with our government,...BOOM!! The Jewish people have been at war with these various factions since 1948. In the end, Israel has always prevailed. They really are a chosen people And they will prevail over Iran, again with or without our help. But I hope we help them, Iran has been killing Americans since the start of the Iraq war, I say hundreds of Americans have already been killed by the Iranians, by shaped IEDs, and other weapons. Believe me, the Iranians have enough Americans, it's time to reverse this action.

I agree with Barlow. Iran is primarily Shia Islam faith. They believe by creating the third world war, they are bringing about the return of the 12th Imam. Please do some research on this issue and you will see there is no negotiating with them. They want to destroy the world............that is their goal.

Barlow-1919963 wrote:

If the Iranians get the bomb, then they will use it. They don't believe in death.

Well the propaganda machine seems to be out in full force today.

Iranians aren't different than anyone else. In fact, they're the most 'Westernized' country in the Middle East. Ignorance breeds fear, though, with 'us and them' thinking like Barlow displays above. When I was in college during the 80s here on the west coast, I worked with people from Iran who I'm still friends with today.

It's easy to imagine that people whom you don't know, in a country on the other side of the world, are so very different from you. ("They don't believe in death, doggone it!") And I guess I might feel somewhat the same, if not for my experiences in getting to know them. Luckily I did.

Like all military posturing, whether it's Iran, Israel, or the U.S., it's the minority at the top in government positions (and those in power behind the scenes who influence them) who are the problem. Not the people. People in any country just want to build a life for themselves and their families in peace. Only the ignorant or mentally unstable among them hope and pray for war, and no country on the planet has a monopoly on that sort.

why not just bomb the hell out of them and destroy their world and make them happy...LOL...

These are games manipulated by oil rich Sunni rulers led by House of Saud, oil companies, Jewish right (Netanyahu and his gangsters) and their lobbyists.

It is shoot, shoot and bang and bang time when oil rich Sunni rulers give signals.

Though we have no business in Syria and Iran, the same evil gangsters are outsourcing dirty jobs for US tax payers and poor soldiers.

We saw them before Iraqi wars.

Netanyahu and his gang were the ones to manipulate Iraqi wars.

They along with oil rich Sunni rulers and oil companies manipulated oil prices higher and higer, Wall Street and indulging in all sorts of acts hurting us from all sides.

We even picked more enemies in the process.

SOME NEVER LEARN EVEN FROM BITTER EXPERIENCES.

net in yahoo looks more like powell showing his pictures as evidence of wmd's. How many wmd's did bush find? that would be ZERO

When is the U.S. going to stop being Israel's Welfare, when is this Country going to stop giving out $75 Billion a year in foreign aid, didn't anyone tell Congress that we are Broke !!!

seaskip

Someone needs to tell the Senate & our Community Organizer.

Lee, someone needs to tell Congress & the GOP war Organizers to stop with all their wars and foreign aid !!!

seaskip - the organizer has had over 4 years to stop the wars - and the only one that stopped so far was the one Bush scheduled to pull out of before Obama took office. Obama is too thrilled with his drone war to end them yet.

Lets not kill more people Because israel hates all & acting just like Nazis. They take every thing from our communities with out putting anything back in, have you noticed. No more War on behalf of israel

Israel is our only friend as long as the foreign aid keeps coming in !!!

Seems like we have alot of muslim posters today. Jarmoush, Israel like Nazis? How so? They are constatntly attacked by enemy neighbors, EVERYTIME, they make peace its the muslims that break it, EVERYTIME. They havnt attacked anyone without provacation, and they mostly back us in what we do. I failto see how they are at fault, now lets talk about the muslims, they call for the destruction of Israel at every turn, they attack after making peace treaties, they send women and children to civilian areas to blow themselves up. Any intelligent person can see who is eveil here.

seaskip

Israel is our only friend as long as the foreign aid keeps coming in !!!

And thats different from your presidents friends in the muslim world how? Oh yea, we give the muslims billions in aid and they still dont act like a friend.

Right on Gary, When a Country is Broke, all foreign aid should end, now that's smart !!!

Gary, there is a lot to be said for supporting Israel. They are a non-Muslim democracy and deserve to live in peace, just like the Palestinians do. I just have a very very hard time ignoring the fact that Israel is ripping homes away from Palestinians and Arabs who many years ago lived there quite peacefully. For each home ripped away from a Palestinian, which was in the family for years, they are left out in the street and Israeli settlers move in. There is a charity that buys time on TV--maybe you've seen it--that asks for donations to help move Jewish people, and even entire families, out of Russia and the old Soviet Satellite countries because they are persecuted. The object, of course, is to send them to Israel where they can "live in peace." Well, when these families are relocated to Israel, where does Israel put them? Is this why others are losing their homes? I don't know. Maybe someone can enlighten me.

I do not like Natenyahu. I do not trust him. He is manipulative & hell bent on war; he loves conflict . He did the last time he was Prime Minister and he still does today. He has no sympathy or compassion. That is NOT TO SAY I condone Hamas or Hezbollah's targeting Israeli citizens, attacking them when they least expect it like rats in the night. Iran no doubt supports them. I do NOT like Ahmadinejad and I do not trust him either. But I do not believe that Iranian people should have bombs crammed down their throats unless THEIR government strikes FIRST because I do not believe the people are the ones who want a conflict with Israel. Iranians are more open minded and better educated across the board than the neighboring nations. Ahmadinejad is the Ayatollah's mouthpiece and puppet. He would push the button only if he is ordered to. Sure, one nuclear explosion would severely damage Israel, maybe entirely. But what about the fallout? That doesn't disappear into thin air. Syria, Egypt, Jordan would probably all suffer from lasting effects. Would they and their people tolerate it?

Tess, Hezbollah was started in 1982 after Israel invaded Lebanon and killed thousands of women and children. General Sharon who later became Prime Minister was responsible for this. Hezbollah swore this would never happen again. Hamas was started by the Israeli mossad to go against Arafat and the PLO. Israel is a terrorist state and should be treated as such. They had the Romans do their dirty work 2,000 years ago like killing Christ and now they want to use the USA. Americans don't back Israel and be the same as those people that shouted out crucify Him. WAKE UP AMERICA.

Here's a date to remember: Dec 7, 1941 when a certain country committed an act of aggression against the U.S. If that action was wrong, then any aggressive action that Israel would take against Iran would also be wrong. What is all boils down to is Israel wants to stay the top dog in the region. I feel for all the innocent Israeli's and Iranians and Arabs if this happens. This could lead to a huge increase in the number of fanatics from all over North Africa, the Middle East, and other points who'll want revenge. The cycle will continue.

because you;re a moron bob. why doesn't SOMEONE just destroy the US and get that over with ? WE seem to be forking with them on behalf of the jews. Iran never did anything to us.

You think its ok to just bomb and destroy like that ? I wonder how you;d feel about it if someone came and bombed the $h1t out of your house. Knowing how most americans react, you'd be up in arms about it.

Well, we're lucky the Iranians are mostly decent people. Can you imagine where we'd be if they were arrogant, aggressive and RABID like we are ? You;d be paying 11 dollars a gallon for your gas and half of NYC would be bombed out by now.

Don't wish too much for destruction on someone else, you wouldn't like it if they wished destruction upon you and what goes around comes around. We are in for a big shock if israel "talsk" us into attacking Iran. I beieve that would be the end of the civilized world as we know it. If uyou thought we live in a police state, wait and see what happens when the u.s. turns into another israel. We'll be free allright. Free to do like everybody in a uniform tells you to do.

Ridiculous topic if it weren't for the zionists constantly pushing for this outcome. I think the guys in charge here are just too smart to let that happen.

We should not bomb Iran just because Israel says so. We tax payers have been forced to pay and support Israel for far too long. When are those deadbeats going to repay us?

From the article: So why up the stakes by launching an air attack, with all the risks of downed pilots being captured, civilian casualties, and massive reprisals?

This would at best buy a few years' time, while giving Iran the excuse it needs -- in the light of open Israeli aggression -- to publicly declare its need for a defensive nuclear option.

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......I've worried for some time now if this is what Iran secretly wants, they could sustain an attack which would not completely stop their program, but would solidify their control over Iran by marginalizing any opposition they currently have there (and there is opposition) in the name of national security , then continue on with the nuke development and justify it to the world community because Israel can't be trusted to be peaceful. And of course if we participate with Israel, we become fair game as well. It's kind of like one drunk in a bar taunting and insulting another drunk, hoping to get him to throw the first punch so the first drunk can claim self defense after the fight starts..

seaskip

Right on Gary, When a Country is Broke, all foreign aid should end, now that's smart !!!

In all of your posts you've neglected to mention whether or not you want a cracker Polly. Just thought I'd remind you.

Aside from that foreign aid is a drop in the bucket, what other spending are you proposing we cut since we are broke?? Because on another thread I noticed you applauding the massive dem budget. You do realize that the dem plan will NEVER balance the budget right?? You also realize that dem budget includes INCREASES in foreign aid right?? You do realize that it is the GOP that you bash in 90% of your posts that is suggesting we hold back some of this aid even as Obama expands it right??

GTR - Obama has already publicly stated that he has no problem taking military action against Iran if they get "the bomb". Perhaps you will clarify for us what Obama means... Drone attacks? Blockaide of all shipping to and from Iran. Blockaid of all air transport?

Besides, should we (the USA) just throw its allies under the bus because you don't like the Israelis?

I am a supporter of Israel, but no government has a right to demand USA do anything other than what is in OUR national interest. If a situation is so bad that Israel feels their should be actions taken Obama has already green lighted it.

However, most comments on this site are just parroting views of others and have no relevance to consequences of actions we or Israelis might take. It is what will happen starting the day after that President Obama is considering, such as terrorism in our country, against our troops stationed around the world, oil flows from Persian Gulf and even existence of Israel from attacks from Lebanon. And for those who doubt that President Obama will act consider ben Laden is dead and Bush did not do it, and Qaddafi is dead and President Reagan did not do it. He promised to target our enemies in Pakistan with Drones and McCain said it was a dumb idea, but he has done it there, Yemen, Somalia and areas we are completely ignorant about. Last, presidents' do not display heroism when making decisions, their lives are not on the line, because he puts other lives on the line, any president needs to exercise wisdom and caution, not bravado.

So Israels President wants a straight answer from our President on his support or lack of support. Good luck we have been waiting for over 4 years for straight answers from our President...he won't even return the American citizens phone calls when it comes to reducing spending and stopping the growth of our national debt. He is the President of the party that passes bills without knowing what is inside only to discover the taxes for health care and now double the original estimates and the cost of insurance premiums will now exceed a 200% increase before the full bill in enacted. Thanks a lot Mr. President...now about that promise to uphold the laws and Constitution...what about illegal immigration? I know you signed an Executive Order setting aside the various laws legally enacted by the Congress...so no support there either. Just what were your promises when elected twice and how far short are you of those promises? The list of failures to meet promises would take pages...great job...I bet you think you deserve a raise for all your hard work? Not.

Gary-3017851

Seems like we have alot of muslim posters today. Jarmoush, Israel like Nazis? How so? They are constatntly attacked by enemy neighbors, EVERYTIME, they make peace its the muslims that break it, EVERYTIME. They havnt attacked anyone without provacation, and they mostly back us in what we do.

USS Liberty waves Hi, Gary.

And we don't need Israel's backing for anything. They, however, need our money and our military technology.

The best proof that Israel never attacked anyone without provocation is that terrorist supporters need to milk the same conspiracy theory for 60 years.

As for what Israel needs from us, much of the technology you use in daily life is invented in Israel, while any money given to Israel comes back to US, in purchases of the weapons made in USA, based on Israeli blueprints.

Eli - Here is what the last national Intelligence Estimate had to say about Iran in 20012. It was published in the NY Times.

WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

Gee, how do you Zionists keep up with your dire predictions, when faced with the facts. Obama should just present the NIE to Netanyahu and tell him to get lost.

Look what Netanyahu predicted in 1992. It is 20 years later and still no weapons program.

'1992:'Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his
colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear
weapon – and that the threat had to be "uprooted by an international front
headed by the US"'.

Seaskip,you dont like giving isreal money,then how do you feel about ovomit giving the muslim brotherood in EGYPT millions and millions of dollars,you know the people who want to get rid of all that dont believe in their religion!:( Oh and lets not forget giving them f-16 also!

Gail - We give Egypt and the brotherhood money because that is what Israel wants us to do. Egypt helps Israel control the southern borders of Israel. A bill to end the aid to Egypt was just defeated, because it would harm Israel.

Because of it's huge population, the money Egypt gets amounts to pennies per year for each Egyptian. Aid to Israel results in over $500.00 for every man woman and child in Israel, each year. Over a 20 year period, each man woman and child would receive $10,000, were it distributed. Those figures do not take into consideration loans to Israel have been forgiven, so that Israel has never repaid one loan from America. Israel receives free military equipment, which has been declared surplus, even though it isn't really surplus. Then there are the donations to Israel from rich Jews, which are tax deductible in America. Only Israel enjoys that little loophole, which has deprived our treasury of billions.

Israel's economy is
thriving in a global economic meltdown. The Jewish state's 2009-12 economic
growth of 14.7 percent leads all the advanced countries of the world, followed
by Australia with 10.7; Canada 4.8; United States 3.2; Germany 2.7; France 0.3;
European Union minus 1.5 percent.

Israel is doing fine and we keep giving and giving, while they keep taking and taking. Israel contributes nothing to America, except letting us make their enemies our enemies. They are parasites.

we should taking out Iran in1978 when they attacket our embassy and held 240 of our people hostage isreal is only doing what this country dosent have the heart to do what we did not do then we wil not do now because of oil. boy do people forget if it wasn't isreal nobody would said a word. what wil you say when iran attacks us again.

OBAMA Is A PUSSY

Islam 101

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_-bXgPDtlI&list=UUBas1f0_g8Qin7idBoOXfsA&index=7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipjk4BtWQek&list=UUBas1f0_g8Qin7idBoOXfsA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sdCsl98naqM#t=303s

...and Iran is funding them.

I've known since the early 90's that Iran had a program to develop nuculear weaponry when the Soviet Union was still intact and were receiving aide from Moscow. After the collapse of the Soviet regime, Iran hired basically unemployed Russian physicist to continue this program. They have also received crucial technology to advance their agenda from such nations as France, Germany and the PRC (Peoples Republic of China), not to mention the continued assistance from Russia. Now, what I know as an outsider is far less then the government, whom you can be sure they have been aware of this continued development through four administrations; (Busch Senior and onto the present), none do anything through all those administrations. In fact, I was boggled by Busch Jr.'s move to invade Iraq over the concern of WMD's, when Iran was the larger threat and much more behind Islamic terrorisim.

Now, we are a war weary nation. We have the midget in N. Korea making his boast and sputtering his threats and we have Iran.....sigh

The concern about Iran and what to do with it is important and pertinent.

The notion that Israel is to "grill" Obama is absolutely insulting to us all... although it sounds like the same disrespect coming from the GOP.

Israel can request... they can beg... they can kiss our ass and ask for help... but grill? No.

Sounds like both Iran and North Korea need escalations in their economic sanctions. If it's worse than we, the public, know, then more severe action might be in order on either one.

But we need to back our President and stop the self-defeating false rancor and war mongering.

LMarkT,

Escalate sanctions? Have you been blind? The only reason we are getting the sanctions now against Iran is because of back door deals with China. If you think that we can impose any more sanctions against proxy states that China has been using to test us then you have not been paying attention to their actions for the last 15 years. While not strong enough to attack and win in a all out confrontation, China has something we in the west do not; Patience. They will wait as they undermine and use proxies to attack us and when we are winding down and pulling back they will move to their next target and we will do nothing but howl in protest.

Tbenton

So this is all about China? I do pay attention but apparently missed this one. Please explain more.

Put it back in your pants, Bebe.

If there is anyone in the media more guilty of brainwashing the public with pro-Israeli PR for the last three decades I don't know who it would be other than Martin Fletcher (and I'm sure MSNBC knows that).

Obama is in the White House because he's a proven stooge for the various power groups (Wall Street, corporations, the 1%, the Israeli lobby) that dominate U.S. policies/politics so I am not hopeful that Mr. Hope and Change will resist Nathan Yahoo's entreaties and probably threats.

And just watch how fast both parties forget about the "deficit" once it means printing money to drop bombs on a another weaker country instead of helping seniors or providing millions of people with healthcare.

http://www.dropshots.com/GCaplan#date/2012-09-30/19:00:44

The reason why they are plotting to attack Iran is because Iran doesn't have a nuke.

So why wouldn't any country that doesn't want to have their foreign and domestic policies dictated to them by the U.S. and Israel and doesn't want to be attacked not try to get one?

That's the only thing the U.S. respects: greater or equal force.

The late Alexander Cockburn had a great comment about this, he said that on becoming independent, if every country were given one A-bomb, it would do more for world peace than all of the pompous UN speeches and combined.

Right now, Iran IS NOT A REAL THREAT to either Israel
OR the United States. UNLIKE North Korea, Iran can be
considered a Rational State Actor which means that
the Iranian President, the in-control Mullahs and
Senior Military Officers WANT TO LIVE and rather
ENJOY their current financial and political comforts.

North Korea, on the other hand, IS A FULL-OUT crazy-psycho state
headed by a Jimmy Jones-like or Branch Davidian-like CULT FIGURE
REVERED by A FULLY Brainwashed populace that are ABSOLUTELY
FANATICAL BEYOND BELIEF!!!!

Conversely, the Iranian populace is youthful and rather MODERN,
enjoying MUCH westernization which if threatened by the ramblings
or edicts of the mullahs would result in a civil war that would OTHERTHROW
the higher ups in Iran. Ergo youthful political pressure, some compromised
nuclear scientists, and a few computer viruses will CONTINUE to do wonders
for delaying and/or stopping the Iranian nuclear program.

For North Korea, NONE OF THIS WILL WORK!

Ergo, the REAL THREAT IS NOT IRAN BUT RATHER NORTH KOREA!
We need to tell Israel to go STUFF A SOCK IN IT bacuse the USA has
MUCH BIGGER PROBLEMS than that single egotistical financier-type
heading Iran's nuclear program. For the USA, North Korea is backed
by the 3rd largest Standing Army in the world and is headed by a
cadre of career officers and greater populace with an inherent and
STABLE belief and fanaticism that goes WAY BEYOND EVEN the
religiously ultra-fanatical Mujahadeen/Taliban.

North Korea WILL NOT SURRENDER AN INCH !!! PERIOD !!!!
They will strike out against EVERYONE EVERYWHERE IN THE WORLD
AGAINST CHINA INCLUDED !!!! This is NO PAPER TIGER like Iran is today!

North Korea is the country I would be readying a First Strike option against NOW!
Because UNLIKE IRAN...ALMOST ALL OF NORTH KOREA IS WILLING TO DIE
AND SACRIFICE ALL FOR ITS SUPREME LEADERS...!!! and the USA would
would bear the brunt of that UTTERLY FANATICAL WRATH.

Keep Iran on it's toes with covert operations and start giving some MONEY
and expertise to the youth politics whose time is coming. Demographics
WINS in Iran...and the YOUTH will be KING! That means good new for
Israel and the USA if they play their COVERT CARDS right and DON'T DO
ANYTHING STUPID like attacking Iran which really isn't that much of a
threat compared to North Korea!

So again, DEAL WITH NORTH KOREA FIRST!
Continue Covert Operations and Financial Sanctions on Iran!

Russia and China are the two players threatening war if we go after Iran. So how is this not about China.

Arch,

What you are failing to state is if you look at Jordan and Egypt both instead of being almost at the brink of war with us are getting help both financially and militarily. The problem has been Iran has used over there Hezbollah to go after us when we were over there when Reagan was in office and rather then go after Iran for supplying both the know how and the explosives we sent some shells after Hezbollah targets and called it a day. While we were in Iraq, Iran supplied with military hardware, explosives and even men. I seem to recall that we captured on of their top ranked generals from the revolutionary guard helping out the people fighting against us. Then they have used Hezbollah to this day to attack our ally and even against us as a proxy arm in the military, they bring them over to Iran and train them, arm them and finance them. Hezbollah has a massive rocket inventory and military advisers along with funding that has been traced to Iran. Not only this but Iran has shown over the years that they have no problem sending these people top of the line arms and let them do the damage while sitting back and saying they had nothing to do with it.

I not only think it would be wise to bomb their nuclear facilities back to the stone age, but I think the danger they pose in the future is much higher then the dangers posed by a attack.

And for you that wish to keep bringing up the liberty that was found by a navy panel to have been fired on by accident in the heat of war. This case has been finished and over for years. If there was a problem I am quite sure that this would have came out, because during the 1967 war the it was not America but rather France and Britain that were the closest allies to Israel. It was not until Nixon came into office that the friendship started between our two nations and grew until we were the greatest ally in the world to Israel and they in turn were our best ally in the area. I find it amazing that the conspiracy theorist fail to mention this and further more if you ever actually looked at the naval inquiry you will see that they started off wishing to find Israel at fault but later released them from fault and the captain was reprimanded for moving his ship into hostile water without orders. There is a old saying that says, 'If you do not wish to get hit, then do not step into the middle of a fist fight', the same thing could apply here.

LMarcT

The notion that Israel is to "grill" Obama is absolutely insulting to us all.

Which is EXACTLY why NBC choose that word, so they can get all of their sheep all fired up. btw, do you enjoy being a puppet or do you even realize it?? Seriously, how can anyone be stupid enough to rant and rave about Israel over a headline that was chosen by some editor at NBC??

But we need to back our President and stop the self-defeating false rancor and war mongering.

This President has (sort of) ended two wars and still managed to INCREASE so-called "defense" spending massively as he sends troops to countries GWB and the republicans never even thought of. Clearly you can not both "back our President" and "defeat war-mongering" as he has shown to be no less a war-monger than any other President before him.

TBenton - You are just repeating Zionist allegations that Iran had anything to do with planning attacks on Americans by Hezbollah. There is no proof what so ever that Iran used Hezbollah for the Beirut bombing.. Both Hamas and Hezbollah's entire reason for being is to protect their homeland from Israeli aggression.

Do you think those explosives were so sophisticated they had to have come from Iran?

If we really had any proof, we would have attacked Iran and we did not. Case closed!

Hey, do you think any of those F16s we sent Israel, had anything to do with the thousand dead civilians in Lebanon? We armed Israel, did we not?

Tbenton you are totally wrong. The US Navy did not find that the USS Liberty was fired on by accident. That is false. The USS Liberty was attacked on 8 June 1967 by Israeli thugs who killed 34 US sailors and wounded many more. The USS Liberty was in international waters and was flying the US flag. This was a deliberate attack on a US ship, and as of this date, not one Israeli has been held responsible for the murder of 34 US sailors.

"Hamas and Hezbollah's entire reason for being is to protect their homeland from Israeli aggression."

That's funny, all they have to do is not attack Israel, than there would be no "Israeli aggression".

Tbenton,

We have been giving Israel top of the line military equipment along with billions of dollars of other aid for many years which they used to invade and bomb neighboring counties and stomp on the Palestinians so why would it be provocative or surprising if Iran gives support to some groups or countries in the region? They at least, live there.

We have armed and supported at least one group that commits attacks inside Iran, the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO), that is on the U.S. State Department's list of terrorist organizations.

We also spearheaded sanctions against Iran to try to destroy their economy (I guess we aren't satisfied with just destroying our own) that if done to the U.S. we would probably consider an act of war.

We have thousands of nuclear weapons (and Israel has nukes, too) and are the only country in history to have used them on another. We also claim a right of First Strike using nuclear weapons.

So how can we point fingers at Iran?

Who, by the facts and by the evidence of history, is the more dangerous country?

Eulogy Israeli Foreign Minister (and former general), Moshe Dayan delivered for a Jew killed by Arabs on the Gaza border in 1956: "Let us not heap accusations on the murderers," he said. "How can we complain about their deep hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the Gaza refugee camps, and before their very eyes, we are possessing the land and the villages where they and their ancestors have lived. We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."

In April 1969, Dayan told the Jewish newspaper Ha'aretz: "There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

If Israel is such an agressor, why did she willingly give back the Gaza Strip, which at the time was very well developed? Also, BTW, if Israel is preventing shipment of food and needed medical supplies, why doesn't the peaceful Muslims smuggle said food and medical supplies into Gaza rather than the missiles which they routinely lob into Jewish land, even during peacetime?

What they propose may not be a bad thing.

Do you not pay attention? it is not our obligation. Ahmendenyjad (sp) clarified his remarks as to the Palestinians will out breed Isreal. And he is right. Why do you think the Isreali's have been trying to take over the West Bank and push the Pals into Jordan? A Jewish state with a majority Muslim and Christian population would result in the destruction of Isreal as a Jewish state.

There is no way Iran would first strike nuke Isreal, because it would result in the destruction of Jerusalem, and that would PO about half the world's population as it is the Holiest city to Jews, CHRISTIONS and MUSLIMS. They would assure their own destruction. The Sunni's would also turn on Iran, since Sunni's far outnumber Shiite's, with the likelihood Syria is going to fall to the Sunni's as well.

"wipe Israel off the face of the map"

Are you dumb davefromorange or are you here to promote the propaganda? People are seing past this garbage that is spewed by corrupt global media.

He was quoting the late Ayatollah Khomeini, and the point of Khomeini's thrust was not to wipe Israel, the nation, "off the map", but to change the Israeli regime, which is far different. The rumor was fabricated by the American media with a view to discrediting Iran's head of state and providing a justification for waging an all-out war on Iran.

Examining the actual quote word by word, Ahmadinejad said in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

"rezhim-e" translates into English as "regime" and will note that the word "Israel" does not appear in the quotation. What Ahmadinejad did use was the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" which is a reference to "the regime occupying Jerusalem."

NOT SUCH A GOOD REASON TO GET INTO ANOTHER WAR WHERE WE KILL MILLIONS FOR A CORRUPT RULING CLASS NOW IS IT ?

The "Regime" occupying Jerusalem just happens to be Israeli.

Dave.... er.... and who pays for that war? Don't you think that the USA have sacrificed enough of its youth playing caretaker for everone else except its own citizens?

To provide healthcare for the USA population is too expensive according to some so they want the ACA repealed, the postal service must be shut down because it is supposedly costing too much money, the bridges and roads cannot be repaired or rebuilt because it is too expensive to do so, to care for the elderly is supposedly too costly, Social Security and Medicare is supposedly too expensive and per the teapartygop needs to be cut, with talk about chained cpi or whatever, caring for the vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan is too costly so they must do without care, housing, disabilty funding etc, affordable housing cannot be provided for the vets either and the inner cities and other infractructure needs like investment in 21st century public transportation, research, and funding for schools are at a minimum, states are going broke with no help insight from anyone including the federal govt, can't afford to provide lunches for children at school....... and the list goes on and on and on and on.... yet monies can be found to pay for another war?

Whose children are going to be sent on this one? Is there going to be a draft like was done for Viet Nam? How low are they going to lower the age of the draftees to 16 years of age? When these draftees return who is going to provide for them or are they going to be left on their own like is happening now? Aren't the streets littered with enough homeless people of which a large percentage are homeless vets?

When is the USA going to stop culling its people? There are far more women than men in the USA as it is now, so what's going to happen then? Who are going to replenish the population if the males are being sent to die overseas as per usual in another war that has nothing to do with them?

If the USA has enough money to start fighting another war with another country then there is enough money to help the citizens now.

13 years and counting the USA have been in ongoing wars... don't you think it is time to stop and replenish the livestock-humans? Perhap that is why there are those who think that women who get pregnant from rape should carry the fetus to term. The bodies are needed to send to war huh....

Wonder what would happen if war was declared and there was still not enough volunteers.....

Peace..... blah blah blah.....

Wipe Isreal off the face of the map Hmmmmmm no big deal

davefromorange

Do we also have a responsibility to wipe off "radical' christians who think they have a right to force their religious beliefs on us? What about the Westboro Baptist Church.. can they be first?

I don't think the knuckelheads at the Westboro Baptist Church are trying to build a nuke.

If the Westboro Baptists could figure out how to build a nuke that'd only kill gays you bet they'd try to build it.

Israel is the only country in the area with nukes. They've invaded and threatened their neighbors for decades. They call themselves a Democracy but deny Palestinians which they drove from their land democratic freedoms. Israel is not a friend to any country, they're like a drug addicted brother that leeches off of and steals from his family to support his habit. Yes a regime change is needed, in Israel. Peace in that area of the world will only come when a true democracy exists in Israel, when everyone in Israel including the occupied lands, Gaza and the West Bank are treated equally irregardless of religion.

■President Obama lied to Israeli media a week before his visit, "We think it would take over a year or so for Iran to actually develop a nuclear weapon." This claim is a lie because it opposes all 16 US intelligence agencies' most current official National Intelligence Estimate (NIE – these are updated when intelligence suggests status change), all IAEA official reports from their full-time monitoring of all Iran's nuclear material and plants, and several definitive official US reports, all while Mr. Obama provides zero evidence to support his claim. This follows a long history of such lies. When a person makes a claim in defiance of all known objective evidence, and without any evidence of his own, any rational person conservatively concludes the claim is a known lie.
■US "leadership" in government and corporate media continuously lie with the claim Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." This claim is easily proved as a criminal lie by simply reading the October 2005 speech in question. The speech's text is crystal clear in context and content: if Israel continues to suppress Palestinian rights, Israel's government will go down the path of Iran under the Shah, the USSR, and Iraq under Saddam. In the eight years since this speech, I have never found even one publication that walks readers through this speech to support a threat to Israel. Take five minutes to read the speech for yourself and verify the truth.
■The US overthrew Iran's democracy from 1953 to 1979, and then used Iraq to attack, invade, and attempt to conquer Iran from 1980 to 1988. The US is responsible for the deaths of ~one million Iranians from these unlawful Wars of Aggression. To appreciate the evil of US policy on Iran to control their nation through dictatorship and vicious secret police, consider this analogy if the US were such a victim (one of my personal favorites), and this analogy to consider oil a criminal gang business.

The above documentation explains and proves all "reasons" for war on Iran are known to be lies as they are told.

To help place US lies on Iran in context, we know now from official US government reports that all "reasons" for war on Iraq were known to be lies as they were told.

Let the WarMongers Israel fend for themselves, Israel is probably looking for more foreign aid for their wars with ( "U.S. Tax Dollars" ) We are making new Millionaires in Israel everyday with Billions & Billions we give them each year when we have American eating dog food and living in the streets, America first !!!

When is Israel going to stop sucking the blood out of our Nation ???

Yes seaskip, when are those deadbeats going to repay the US tax payers for all of the money we have been forced to give to them?

Brian - The last intelligence estimate of all 16 US intelligence agencies concluded that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. If you have something more current, I suggest you post it for all to see.

If you cannot, it means you were lieing on post #5.10.

I am so sick of that lie that Iran wants to blow Israel off the face of the earth. Israel threatens and attacks every country around it. They only kill innocent women and children and thats why they want the US to attack. If Iran is attacked, oil will go over $10 a gallon and these same people on here promoting war will be the ones to cry the loudest. Oh and remember, we haven't won a war since 1950.

Dave, how much does Israel pay you to spread these lies and propaganda?

CarolQuigly...

Seems that by your translation;

"the regime occupying Jerusalem."

Pretty much leaves no room for an Israeli state to even exist, regardless of any timeline. Without a cohesive government (regime as you will) what will keep the Israelites as one nation?

Israel and the U.S.A. both have an obligation to stop the radical Islamic regime

There is no obligation of the USA and Israel to go on and murder people. If anything radical chrisitanity and judaism is what needs to be stopped. The USA is fighting this war under the guise of terrorism to advance its christian terrorism.

in Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon

Even if they obtain an nuclear weapon it will be for self defense purposes. The warmongers were saying the same thing about the pakis decades back. BTW did you find saddams nuclear weapons? This is just an excuse for the USA to kill more innocent souls.

which they will ultimately use to carry out their often repeated threat to "wipe Israel off the face of the map"

Proven to be a false mistranslation time and again. The israelis on the other hand are making repeated threats to go to war with Iran. The USA has numerous bases around Iran and is threatening to attack Iran, is flying drones into iran. How many bases does Iran have around the USA? Who is threatening whom? I guess it is perfectly fine for Iran to fly its drones into the USA then since we are doing it to them.

if they are permitted to get one (or more, in view of the massive scale of production going on inside the hidden facilities within Iran)

They are permitted to do anything in their country they choose to. I don't tell you what the hell to do in your trailer that you live in. you want to change what Iran does? Go become an iranian citizen and participate in their elections and make change that you desire. And finally why are you interested in what Iran can and cannot do? Did Iran tell you that they are going to attack you?

The USA is the biggest warmonger on the planet and has a history of the most military interventions out of any nation out there. It is for these reasons 911 happens as a response to our murderous streak.

The USA has a history of attacking and killing innocent middle eastern countries under false pretenses and lies and this is just another one of them. You are just blinded by being brainwashed by Fox news and movies and common media which perpetrates they myth that you are under threat by Iran. Look at Argo, another fine piece of propaganda just in time for the war.

"radical chrisitanity and judaism is what needs to be stopped" -

Are those the ones who mutilate women, stone rape-victims, and hang people for being gay?

"Proven to be a false mistranslation time and again." -

Yest it turned out he did not say "wipe them of the map", he said "removed from pages of time", he also said that they are "rotting corpse", "an obstacle that will be eliminated" and "cancer that must be removed". Were all those mistranslated?

"It is for these reasons 911 happens as a response to our murderous streak." -

Could you specify whom we were murdering at the time?

If you want to bash USA, at least don't use the word "our", you are not passing for an American.

OBAMA Is A PUSSY

Christian terrorism? WTF? This has nothing to do with any religion but rather stability for the worlds access to oil. Call it what it is. If Iran gets a nuke (and they will if they keep doing what they are with no intererance) then we are faced with the possibility that Iran will do what they have done since they kicked the Shaw out of power; they will use proxy groups to attack so they can claim innocence. This is what they did in Iraq by supplying the insurgents with explosives that were used against our boys, they have used Hamas and Hezbollah against both Israel and the US.

You yell that we should still not be involved because it is not our problem but what people fail to relies is that if Iran does develop a nuclear arsenal and so happens to conveniently lose one to Hezbollah and they smuggle it into to Israel or send one to them on top of one of their missiles, Israel will retaliate in a way that will stop all oil from being able to be accessed, most likely this will turn into another world war because Russia will not step back, they will do what they are doing now in Syria, helping them regardless of if they are right and killing their own civilians. If anyone thinks that Russia is our ally I would strongly suggest you listen to what their leader is saying.

So wait and most likely this will end up as WW3 with Iran having more nukes and a better position of power or stop it now, it could still develop into WW3 but Iran, Russia and China have not yet had a chance to build or rebuild back up their military to match ours.

TBenton The 2012 National Intelligence Estimate compiled by all 16 of our intelligence agencies has concluded that Iran does not have a nuclear weapons program. Since their enrichment is monitored by the IAEA, it is virtually impossible for them to construct a nuclear device, unless they kick the inspectors out of Iran, because they would need 97% enrichment.

In the unlikely event they do kick out the inspectors, we would have plenty of time to do whatever it would take to stop them. Until then, I would suggest the Zionists cool their heels and try to get another country to do their dirty work. America is tapped out.

Our only real worry is a false flag attack from Israel, a country that has used them several times in the past. Screw Israel, which is a nation of parasites, using American taxpayer monies to finance their expansion and theft of Arab lands. Here is a repost of the article in the NY Times.

WASHINGTON — Even as the United Nations’ nuclear watchdog said in a new report Friday that Iran had accelerated its uranium enrichment program, American intelligence analysts continue to believe that there is no hard evidence that Iran has decided to build a nuclear bomb.

Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America’s 16 intelligence agencies.

These guys are the pros. Guys like you are just propagandists, pushing for another war for Israel, as you all did against Iraq. We are on to your tactics and will not let them slide by, without challenge, backed up by facts.

Again, if Iran has no nukes, let's hear it from UN.

As the President begins his trip to the Israeli apartheid state. He as a man of color might want this advise I saw posted. One of the best posts I've seen lately:

Mr. President, I hear you are traveling to Israel. As a concerned patriotic American citizen of Palestinian descent, I have some pointers for you.

Now, I assume you’ll be flying into Tel Aviv. Usually, when non-Jews arrive there, especially if they are a little darker-skinned, they are asked to wait in a… let’s call it a “VIP Room.” Incidentally, the room is quite nice. There’s a water cooler, comfortable chairs, and a soda machine. It’s probably the only place in the world where you can be racially profiled and get an ice-cold Coca-Cola all at once.

To avoid the room, I would mention that you are the President of the United States. It might help.

You may get strip-searched. Saying you are an American doesn’t help much here. I’ve tried. I even sang the national anthem last time an Israeli soldier was looking down my pants. Right after I said, “Oh say can you see,” he said, “Not much.”

To escape this embarrassment, I would mention that you are the President of the United States. It might help.

In case they don’t already know, you might not want to tell Israeli security you are half-Muslim. As a fellow half-Muslim, I can tell you they don’t really care about the percentage. Any bit of Muslim freaks them out. And I’m not sure if you heard, but the fans of one of Israel’s soccer teams, Beitar Jerusalem, actually protested when the club signed two Muslim players. When one of them scored in a game last week, hundreds of fans actually walked out of the stadium. One of the fans later stated about the Muslim players, “It’s not racism. They just shouldn’t be here.” Hopefully, they don’t know your middle name is “Hussein.” Maybe they didn’t watch the inauguration.

In any case, I would mention that you are the President of the United States. It might help.

This next one might be a little tough. Maybe you didn’t hear, but lately there has been a little “African problem” in Israel. Over the past several years, tens of thousands immigrants from Africa, mostly from Eritrea and Sudan, have entered the “only democracy in the Middle East.” Most of them are looking for work, and some are political refugees. Israel has recently rounded up many of them for deportation. Oh, and by the way, they don’t call them “refugees” or “migrants,” they call them “infiltrators.” Israelis have held numerous demonstrations in Tel Aviv, where most of the migrants live, to demand an African exodus from Israel.

And the refugees aren’t the only Africans Israel seems to have a problem with. About 150,000 Israeli Jews are of Ethiopian descent. A number of news organizations reported early this year that Israeli government doctors had been giving Ethiopian Jewish women contraceptives either against their will or without their knowledge. The Israeli government admitted the practice and decided to stop it once it was reported on. See, Mr. Obama, many rabbis in Israel have questioned the “Jewishness” of Ethiopian Jews. And if you’re not Jewish in Israel, well… I’d be glad to give you the full story on that someday. So they’re not too crazy about their own Ethiopian citizens, and last year, Benjamin Netanyahu warned that illegal immigrants from Africa “threaten our existence as a Jewish and democratic state.” I know, “Jewish” and “democratic”? It’s confusing. I’ll try to explain that one to you one day too, but I can’t guarantee I’ll be able to. But I think one thing is clear. Israel does not seem to like Africans too much.

Now I know you’re not from Eritrea, Ethiopia, or Sudan, but I probably wouldn’t advertise too strongly that your dad was from Kenya. This might be really hard, given your skin tone and everything, especially if you’re bringing Michelle with you.

To avoid any dangers of getting deported to Nairobi, I would just keep mentioning that you are the President of the United States. It might help.

OK, finally, when you leave, Israeli security officers are going to search your bags. And they don’t do it casually with a smile like our airport security here. They go through your stuff like a wife looking for evidence of an affair. You might remind them that you, as the President of the United States, sign their checks.

And they’re going to strip search you again. Yes, on the way out too. Strip searches in Israel are “buy one, get one free.” They perform the strip search in a section of the airport aside from where the normal operations are conducted. You’ll run into a few of your Palestinian-American constituents when you’re there. I know it’s a weird place for someone to ask to take a picture with you, but to us, it’s just part of visiting home.

You don’t have to mention to us that you are the President of the United States. We already know. We supported you, twice. Maybe you can return the favor.- Barack, A Few Travel Tips

The terrorist supporters are really digging up all the bs they can invent, don't they?

Uncle Bob 512

lol those travel trips are funny

Uncle Bob,

I am beginning to wonder if you actually ever flew over there. I have gone over there many times since business brings me to Tel Aviv. I have traveled with Arabs and have never seen any such problems.

As for the contraceptives, I have not heard anything about this but will make sure I look into it. If this is the case then maybe they should include the same for the Hassidic Jews so they stop draining the state so badly. Just kidding, but the fact does remain that I find it funny that this group as small as it is has the influence over there that it does. It must be nice to study scriptures all day and spend the rest in prayer and procreation and then have the state support you while you do this. They are exempt from serving in the military and from personal experience seem to think they have a right to try to push their fundamentalism on everyone, willing or not. Now that I think about it, it kind of sounds like your radical Muslims, Christians, and every other religious group that instead of respecting a different outlook, demand that you see the world through their eyes.

I have been over there and seen the rallies, and heard thousands of young Palestinians yelling for the destruction of Israel. I remember them dancing in the streets on 9/11, but people today seem to forget this point, they also seem to forget that the Palestinians carried posters of Bin Laden and marched in solidarity with him and his cause. And you want me to help them out? More so, you really think Israel is inclined to help them out when they fought along side Arabs towards the stated goal of destroying the Israeli nation and in their own words, "We will make the sand run red with Jewish blood and will finish what Hitler did. We will show the world that we can cause a holocaust much worse then Nazi's did". And this is who you think Israel should deal with?

The final question has to be asked. If Palestinians along with terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah laid down their arms and said they would peacefully seek to end the conflict with Israel so they could have their own nation, how long do you think it would take to get negations started and a path towards their own nation? I can answer that real easy, it would be a fast track to nationhood so long as three things are overcome (I will get into that in a minute). Then the question has to be asked; how long do you think Israel would last if they got rid of their nukes, brought down their military to a point of a peacekeeping force? I can answer that by looking at Arab actions and even their words today, Israel would cease to exist the second they did this unless they were willing to give up sovereignty and allowed a massive force on their land to act as a deterrent (what they have now).

But this will never happen because the Arabs will never give up their false historical claim to Jerusalem, and history has shown that every time Israel has given them land for peace they got back attacks, suicide bombers, rockets and mortar fired at them in return. I personally do not think there is or will be a chance for peace until both sides are willing to give up their hatred. But you will never find in Israeli national papers calls for destruction of any Arab nation, but you can go into just about every Arab nation and find this call towards Israel.

@ Tbenton

I am beginning to wonder if you actually ever flew over there. I have gone over there many times since business brings me to Tel Aviv. I have traveled with Arabs and have never seen any such problems.

Here is an article,one among many I had to choose from proving the point. I'll post one section and the link to the whole article:

"I am an American citizen. I went to American schools my entire life, graduated from an American university and work as an architect in New York City. Why was this happening to me? It all started with a simple question. “What is your father’s name?”

“Bassam.”

“Okay, please wait a few moments in the waiting room over there.”

Little did I know that my father’s Arab name would make me guilty until proven innocent. A “few moments” would turn into a 14-hour nightmare at Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv."

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-feel-more-arab-or-more-american-two-arab-american-womens-story-of-being-detained-and-interrogated-at-ben-gurion.html

As for the contraceptives, I have not heard anything about this but will make sure I look into it. If this is the case then maybe they should include the same for the Hassidic Jews so they stop draining the state so badly. Just kidding, but the fact does remain that I find it funny that this group as small as it is has the influence over there that it does. It must be nice to study scriptures all day and spend the rest in prayer and procreation and then have the state support you while you do this. They are exempt from serving in the military and from personal experience seem to think they have a right to try to push their fundamentalism on everyone, willing or not. Now that I think about it, it kind of sounds like your radical Muslims, Christians, and every other religious group that instead of respecting a different outlook, demand that you see the world through their eyes.

Here is another article proving this point.Also only one from among many posted on this subject:

"Israel has admitted that it has been giving Ethiopian Jewish immigrants birth control injections, according to a report in Haaretz. An Israeli investigative journalist also found that a majority of the women given these shots say they were administered without their knowledge or consent."

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/28/israel_admits_ethiopian_jewish_immigrants_were_given_birth_control_shots/

I have been over there and seen the rallies, and heard thousands of young Palestinians yelling for the destruction of Israel. I remember them dancing in the streets on 9/11, but people today seem to forget this point, they also seem to forget that the Palestinians carried posters of Bin Laden and marched in solidarity with him and his cause. And you want me to help them out? More so, you really think Israel is inclined to help them out when they fought along side Arabs towards the stated goal of destroying the Israeli nation and in their own words, "We will make the sand run red with Jewish blood and will finish what Hitler did. We will show the world that we can cause a holocaust much worse then Nazi's did". And this is who you think Israel should deal with?

Did you miss the crowds of Jewish Israeli's that call for the deaths and destruction of Palestine on occasion.The Israeli media themselves reports these stories,so they aren't that hard to hear about. As for a few Palestinians dancing over 9-11,far more Serbians celebrated 9-11 than Palestinians yet I don't ever see that mentioned. And there were far more Palestinians that sent condolences than were happy:

"The US Consul General in Jerusalem reported that he has received a huge stack of faxes from Palestinians and Palestinian organizations expressing condolences, grief and solidarity. He himself was pained to see that the media chose to focus on the sensational images of a few Palestinians rejoicing."

http://floppingaces.net/2010/08/01/the-myth-that-the-muslim-world-celebrated-the-attacks-of-911/

The final question has to be asked. If Palestinians along with terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah laid down their arms and said they would peacefully seek to end the conflict with Israel so they could have their own nation, how long do you think it would take to get negations started and a path towards their own nation? I can answer that real easy, it would be a fast track to nationhood so long as three things are overcome (I will get into that in a minute). Then the question has to be asked; how long do you think Israel would last if they got rid of their nukes, brought down their military to a point of a peacekeeping force? I can answer that by looking at Arab actions and even their words today, Israel would cease to exist the second they did this unless they were willing to give up sovereignty and allowed a massive force on their land to act as a deterrent (what they have now).

This is a Israeli talking point that's not based on fact. The Israeli's have rejected all real attempts at a peace settlement that doesn't give them what they want,THE LAND. Hezbollah isn't really even a part of this issue. They are a Lebanese group that was founded to force the Israelis out of Lebanon,and to keep them out. Their only connection with the Palestinians is their having a common opponent.As for Hamas,the Israelis only have themselves to blame there. Back in the 1970's and 1980's the Israelis favored the rise of Hamas,a Muslim religious movement,hoping to split the Palestinians away from the PLO, which is a secular movement. They thought they could control them better. With the region wide rise of fundamentalism,it backfired horribly on them.But they own that disaster:

" Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

But this will never happen because the Arabs will never give up their false historical claim to Jerusalem, and history has shown that every time Israel has given them land for peace they got back attacks, suicide bombers, rockets and mortar fired at them in return. I personally do not think there is or will be a chance for peace until both sides are willing to give up their hatred. But you will never find in Israeli national papers calls for destruction of any Arab nation, but you can go into just about every Arab nation and find this call towards Israel.

I don't know what you mean by a "false historical claim to Jerusalem". Jerusalem has been a Holy City to three great world religions for over 2 thousand years. For most of that time (since the 600's) it was mostly controlled by Muslim states.Most Palestinians are the descendants of the Jews,and Christians that lived in that land for thousands of years,and through the centuries many converted to Islam. You can't get any more historical than that. In the Jewish faith it is the site of the Temple. In the Christian faith it is the site of Christ's death and resurrection. And in the Muslim faith it is the site where the Prophet Mohammed rose to heaven.As to the land for peace claim. One look at the maps Israel has said it is willing to let the Palestinians have for what should be called a "Bantustan" state easily shows why the Palestinian won't agree. It's true that Israel withdrew from Gaza. But they left it as giant prison.Entry and exit from the area totally subject to their whim,almost 2 million people,most of them refugee's or their descendants from other areas of pre-1947 Palestine,trapped in a desert landscape of 137 miles of territory.No industry,no ports,or airports allowed,by Israels orders. And all border crossing's controlled by the Israeli military. Even the limited water and electricity supply was under Israels thumb. The wonder is not that there is hatred of Israel there,but that there isn't more.

" Genetic analysis suggests that a majority of the Muslims of Palestine, inclusive of Arab citizens of Israel, are descendants of Christians,Jews and other earlier inhabitants of the southern Levant whose core may reach back to prehistoric times. A study of high-resolution haplotypes demonstrated that a substantial portion of Y chromosomes of Israeli Jews (70%) and of Palestinian Muslim Arabs (82%) belonged to the same chromosome pool. Since the time of the Muslim conquests in the 7th century, religious conversions have resulted in Palestinians being predominantly Sunni Muslim by religious affiliation, though there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as Druze and a small Samaritan community. "

"Documentary filmmaker Nissim Mossek quotes Rabbi Dov Stein who claims, “It becomes clear that a significant part of the Arabs in the land of Israel are actually descendants of Jews who were forced to convert to Islam over the centuries. There are studies which indicate that 85% of this group is of Jewish origin."

http://features.beliefnet.com/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php#ixzz2Nw5ax4kV

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

Israeli talking points are far from the truth on the mideast situation. They count on Americans not taking the time to research their disinformation. But in today's world,using the internet for scholarly information is not that hard.Provided we are willing to see the truth. We as Americans spend,and have spent,untold billions of our treasure supporting Israeli policies that are wrong morally,and have led us into trouble throughout the region. The truth is out there to be seen,and we will have no one but ourselves to blame if we continue on the road of blindly following the Israelis against our own best interests.

Guess you never heard of fallout and prevailing winds?

...or compassion or empathy or considered thought.

911 was because of the GOP supporting Israel, this support cost us over 3000 American lives, was it worth it ???

Seaskip...

How droll skippy, we have had both republican and democrat administrations support Israel since WWll just as well as we have had both republican and democrat controlled congress's supporting Israel as well since WWll.

Like many of your kind that has lost the ability to think rationally, perhaps you can tell us where the democrats were since WWll on the subject of having a sovereign jewish state. Perhaps you are like hitler in being SIASD in trying to wipe them off the face of the earth.

OBAMA Is A PUSSY!

John Haddock, for better or for worse, our President won the Nobel Peace Prize. You've repeated that juvenile 'pussy' statement of yours as if you're projecting to the world wide an insecurity issue with your personal masculinity.

What would you have him, Congress and our nation do? Fight more wars? At what cost? I don't see any evidence that you've sacrificed anything for your country or put your life in harm's way like our troops that must carry out the national interests in any number of expensive combat zones when international diplomacy fails. But what would you care, right? I've read the NewsVine history of your past comments. The language you've used comes across as your being no more than a 16 year old, wanna-be bully.

Become a responsible adult, John. Stay in school. Grow up.

@Seaskip---In otherwords, what you are saying is that the Islamic terrorist had a justifiable reason for their attack and murdering innocent lives on US soil? Is that what you are saying? Because we support Israel, our partner in the Mid-East, it is justifiable for anyone to kill and destroy people here? Shame on you.

It is not Israel it will be Iran that will start WW3 or NK, why does Iran need to build such a weapon? Would you sit by if Canada was your enemy and let them build such a weapon. Remember that Iran does not want Israel to be at all, they want to wipe them off the face of the earth and believe it or not they also want to wipe off anyone who does not believe in their religion. So really Isreal is the world first and possible only defense against such take over.

Tbow is spot on. Iran won't do anything. The Iranians saw what happened to the Axis of Evil. The one without nukes suffered regime change. The one with them has not. The mullahs just want to stay in power and have a nuke as a deterrent. But even as this states, it will only delay them having a nuke, and Isreal proper will suffer as a result from Hez. And Iran will actually draw sympathy. As the Western oriented younger generations of Iranians continue to out populate the Zealots, you will see a transition in leadership in Iran, just like you are seeing in Syria. Netanyahou is looking out for his own political security and it will cost thousands of lives.

Oh ok now I see, Iran will start WW3 Grand Six, that makes alot of sense. Or not, maybe you have caught a disease, a disease of simplicity, simple-mindedness. Is everything is exactly the way the media says it is? The compromised media would surely never lie to us. The truth is that the global ruling banksters who call the shots in this world want to destroy Iran because they like to do their own banking, they like sovereignty and other non-killtheinfidel things. Things are more complicated than “Iran is going to kill the world”. Don’t be a sucker for the big lies.

The above documentation explains and proves all “reasons” for war on Iran are known to be lies as they are told.

To help place US lies on Iran in context, we know now from official US government reports that all “reasons” for war on Iraq were known to be lies as they were told.

Lets not kill more people Because israel hates all & acting just like Nazis. They take every thing from our communities with out putting anything back in, have you noticed. No more War on behalf of israel

Brian, got his info from the fox tard tabloid, Who cares what Israel thinks, let the warmongers fight their own wars with out our money, back stabbing friends with don't need, We got to stop being the World police force and start taking care of our own "Bonjour" !!!

Skippy...

Isolationism once had its place. To bad global trade and social media has made it impossible to achieve. As far any type of appeasement policy, all that does is provide more time for someone to grow stringer and delusional.

OBAMA Is A PUSSY!!

Rick,

The U.N. did establish an Arab sector and a Jewish sector, but all of the surrounding Arab countries attacked the state of Israel at once--------and lost!

The UN did not have the authority to create those "sectors". The fact is European Jews were flooding in well before the UN was even created. That is called invasion. Typical botch up by the Europeans as after WWI with their arbitrary borders which continue to plague us to today. If there had been any justice, we should have armed the European Jews to the teeth and let them have Germany and let them subjugate the Germans.

Dave the only reason Isreal won the 1973 war was because US came to there aid or the would have gotten their asses kicked. Nixon bailed Maier out on that one

Faranginasia

Go back under your rock. If the US bailed out anyone it was Egypt. Just because of massive US pressure on Israel the tanks of Ariel Sharon were stopped some 60 km from Cairo. Israel gave the Sinai peninsula back in 1979 after the peace treaty of Camp David between Israel and Egypt. That was six years AFTER the war. Egypt got back the Sinai, Israel on the other hand had a strong Arab nation which was willing to end violence and have peace with Israel.

Israel now has the technology to wage war against almost any arab nation. What you need to understand though is if that happened it would not be pretty as millions of civilians would be killed as Israel does not have the luxury of a massive army so they would have to wipe out everything. They could do this even without using nuclear weapons.

You need to remember that Israel got that land after WWII when the whole region was divided up. You also need to remember that it was the muslims that sided and allied with the the Nazis. The musilms have been trying to exterminate the Jews for thousands of years

It doesn't matter what Obama does. If he supports an attack by Israel the right will accuse him of being a warmonger. If he doesn't they'll call him a coward unwilling to support our ally. Sometimes I think they fail to realize he can't run for a 3rd time. Trying to bash him for any action he takes is rather pointless.

Fishman, rewriting history huh? Zionists began invading Palestine long before WW11 and it had nothing to do with who supported the Nazi's.

Larry, #8.5, I second that !!!

"Zionists began invading Palestine long before WW11" -

Of cause by "invading" you mean purchasing unused land at triple value, then not paying protection money to Arab gangs, and actually daring to defend themselves, when Arabs try to chase them of the purchased land.

Of cause, if anyone non-Jewish was doing it, it would be called "legitimate purchase" and "self-defense", but antismeites and islamists any presence of Jews is an invasion.

Israel and USA can drawn a line to other sovereign country ? what ? thats is the job from UN retard, we are the puppet (Goliat) from Israel (David) ?

OBAMA IS A PUSSY!!!!

Baco,

UN is not doing their job, so someone else has to.

John,

Give it a rest, you are not helping.

John is at least consistent in his message.

I dont know about that. Clinton was pretty good at lying

Kdpowell: Not to bright are you? Romneys plan to cut taxes 20% was an attempt to buy the election as was Bush's tax cuts. Our grandchildren will have to pay for Bush's gifts to us.

Quit spewing your Rush Limbaugh/Fox Noise tripe.

...Israel does not vote for this liar in thief who is our president.

The Bush's aren't liars? They wrote the book on it "read my lips, no new taxes" while the new codes were being written. WMD's in Iraq, and on and on. GWB's sing-songy voice was the sickening part, like he was telling a bedtime story to little kids - at least Obama can give a decent speech. Hey, you show me a politician and I'll show you a liar.

GWB's two unfunded Wars and his 1% super Mega Rich buddies got us into this depression, now we have to deal with the GOP Domino effect with blocking everything to get our Nation up and running again !!!

Most of the blame I put on the TeaBaggers, they are not just destroying the GOP, they are destroying our Country !!!

You're just a troll. No sane person agrees with you and you know it. You're just trolling.

Lets not kill more people Because israel hates all & acting just like Nazis. They take every thing from our communities with out putting anything back in, have you noticed. No more War on behalf of israel

Amen, Amen and Amen! I am so FED UP with Netanyahu, I wish someone would give hit a TREAT that his Ancestor's suffered ... Gas his Azz, or put a Nuke in his warmongering mouth!

Who the F does he obviously BELIEVES he is that he can get our Military to take control of the land and water in the area he wants to REIGN over!

I honestly WISH, that Iran could get hold of one of those underground Nukes, and nuke Netanyahu straight into the Hell, he so obviously wants to go to! HOW I DESPISE THAT PUNK; another Dick Cheney!

Gee Earthie, hate much, you sound like Ahmadinejad and the Grand Mullahs.

Ok, I'm an older person. I know what a Troll is from fantasy stories, but what is a cybernet troll?

no boots on the ground in iran. only nukes and destroy this country and the people in it. no more korea or veitnam. lets finish this one.

Lets not kill more people Because israel hates all & acting just like Nazis. They take every thing from our communities with out putting anything back in, have you noticed. No more War on behalf of israel

Israel has clout in the US because the Jews run the banks,the media,and are deep in US political offices in spite of their serious minority. Let Israel fight is own battles,and maybe we could jump in at the end just to keep our machinery from rusting up.

one L

Nuke Iran? Well that’s a good idea, only question is what do you do when the Russians see a nuke heading in their direction and decide to react in kind against the US?

Everyone else

Look at the end of the day if the US want to stop Iran from getting nukes a NATO ground invasion and occupation is what will be needed. This is for several reasons, first Israel doesn’t have the manpower or the economic power to invade and occupy Iran (hell they already have one occupation in the West Bank) likewise, Israel will not be part of any official coalition because of the absolute outrage it will generate in the ME (may already think there is s “Crusader/Zionist alliance to kill Muslims) and as such would have very negative political repercussions (I can just imagine Saudi cutting of oil to the US to appease its people who riot after a joint Israel and US invasion of Iran.) Thus, it won’t be Israel doing this it’ll be the US and NATO.

Now I know there are people who believe that they can win this with just US air power, but consider this. First an attack against Iran’s leadership (so called decapitation theory) is not guaranteed to convince the new leaders not to acquire nukes. Indeed, having their predecessors killed by airstrikes could increase their drive to get them as the logic will be if we do have nukes the US won’t attack us. Furthermore, just bombing their facilities won’t help as they already have the theoretical knowledge needed to make nukes, thus they are just trying to get the materials. This ultimately means if you destroy the facilities they will just have to rebuild said facilities. So the only way to permanently stop Iran from getting nukes is to completely change its leadership, and destroy its facilities via an invasion and occupation.

Netanyahu reminds me of Boris Batternoffwith his silly looking bomb. Israel has the bombs and Iran does not, yet the Zionist fools on these frorums want to nuke Iran.

Here is an example of Zionist thinking from a respected Israeli military historian, who has close ties to the military. Remember, these are the people we have been arming to the teeth for decades.

There is of course no reason for Israel to have
submarines capable of delivering nuclear warheads to any target in the world –
unless of course, it needs them to attack other nations, as predicted by of the
Israeli military historian, Martin van Creveld, in 2010 said Israel could find
itself one day forced to exterminate the European continent using all kinds of
weapons including its nuclear arsenal if it felt its demise neared,” and
stressed that “Israel also considers Europe a hostile target.”

“We have hundreds of nuclear warheads and
missiles that can reach different targets in the heart of the European
continent, including beyond the borders of Rome, the Italian capital,” Creveld
said, adding that most of the European capitals would become preferred targets
for the Israeli air force.

He reiterated “Israel’s ability to destroy the
whole world whenever it felt its existence would be doomed to extinction.”

Losmuertos,

"what do you do when the Russians see a nuke heading in their direction and decide to react in kind against the US?" -

I believe that I've already mentioned to you that I am originally form Russia, I still keep in touch with my friends there, and watch Russian news.

So, I have the grounds to tell you that there is no way Russia is going to war against US or Israel, alongside Iran.

Way too many people in Russia have childhood friends and relatives in both Israel and US. Russians know USA as the source of their favorite foods, clothes and movies.

The likes of Ralph probably want to count on support of Russian skinheads with swastikas, but those guys wont help either, because as much as they hate Jews, they hate Muslims even more.

If you want to know why, you can start by googling "Nord Ost", that will give you sample of Russians' experience with islamists. Then you can work your way up on how many Russians lost their friends and relatives in Afghanistan and Chechnya.

Then you will have some idea on what a suggestion to fight for Iran will sound like to an average Russian.

Of cause, the who presumption is base don the fact that Russia has been blocking sanctions on Iran, but the explanation to that is very banal. Iran has been a good customer for Russia, buying all those weapons left over from Cold War, and Russian government really likes money.

Is there any money to make in waging war on USA? (note, that would have to be enough money to make up for all the trouble of forcing people to fight against their will.)

Unless you can answer that question positively, you can be sure that if USA nukes Iran, Russia will do absolutely nothing.

Not that I approve of nuking. To me decapitation theory sounds much better. It wouldn't be the first time US has done that, it did not work permanently, but it worked for quite a while.

Well Eli, that’s quite a statement to stand by, the argument that if the US nuked Iran, Russia would do nothing.

I hope such a statement never gets put into practice.

now your point that Russians hate Muslims more than Jews effectively doesn’t matter because the reason to react to an American nuclear strike wouldn’t be down to some like or kinship with Iran or even monetary reasons. It would be due to self-defence.

After all, please consider that the US is not going to arrange or tell the Russians it would use nukes. The reason being that if such talks ever became public knowledge then it would be the US that would be labelled a rogue state by the international community (after all the most powerful military on the planet arranging to nuke a nation like Iran is just psychotic) likewise there would be a very big fear that Iran would also find out and then do everything it took to pre-empt the US (after all finding out a nation is actively planning to destroy you kind of takes of the restraint) so all in all if the US was to nuke Iran it would be done in secret and the only knowledge we’d have is after the fact.

So if that’s the case then the deployment of a US nuke against Iran would be taken as an attack on Russia, after all the fallout from such a weapon would affect Russia as well as the potential EMP too. This included with what I previously said about the Russian detecting an American nuke heading towards them too. In short those reasons alone (along with existing Russian policy regarding the use of nuclear weapons) indicates that any nuclear weapon deployed that close to Russia would result in a Russian counter-attack.

Now. Ultimately I think this whole scenario is nothing but fiction anyway, as it just won’t happen. Likewise I think anyone like One L who advocates their use is a complete moron. As I said the only real guarantee that the US has of stopping Iran from getting nukes is a ground invasion and occupation and frankly. I have to wonder if the US public have the stomach for and if the US can even afford to do to, especially since the way (I’d wager) most US citizens would see it, is that US troops are being put in harm’s way just to make Israel feel safe.

So, what you are saying is that in Russia they wont be able to tell if the nuke is flying toward them or toward Iran. I think Russian technology is better than that.

"US that would be labelled a rogue state by the international community", "US nuke against Iran would be taken as an attack on Russia" - those would still be sentimental reason for a war. Russian government still doesn't do sentimental. Attacking Iraq would be pretty rogue thing to do, yet Russia did nothing.

"any nuclear weapon deployed that close to Russia would result in a Russian counter-attack." - we seem to have a different idea of "close", to me Iran seems to be at significant distance from Russia.

"that’s quite a statement to stand by" - I still stand by it.

"Ultimately I think this whole scenario is nothing but fiction anyway, as it just won’t happen." - well, you are probably right on that one. No one wants a nuclear war, but I believe it's possible to prevent Iran from getting nukes without actually nuking the country.

I think that's what US will have to do eventually, and I think Russia will still do nothing.

Eli100

Russia will stand by and let the US attack Iran with conventional weapons, but a nuclear attack is a whole different ball game, which was the point I was making. That A due to the “collateral” effects of nuclear weapons (aka fallout and EMP) B the risks involved (in that there is only a small window to discern the intended target of a nuclear missile) indicate that most nations (US included) would treat a nuclear missile heading in their direction as an attack on them and C. Russia’s existing policy on nuclear weapons all indicate that if the US (or anyone else) was to launch such a weapon they would respond in kind, much like the US, UK or any other nation that has such weapons would.

Also the statement that the international community would regard the US as a rogue state for nuking Iran only applies to them nuking Iran, a conventional strike wouldn’t matter

Like I said though this is all fiction as the US won’t use nuclear weapons against Iran, at best they will just use their air force which won’t achieve anything in the long term as all it will do is slow the Iranians down. Whereas if they want to go for a long term option then the US (and NATO) will have to embark or a ground invasion and occupation of Iran, which again leads me to question does the US public have the stomach for that? After all I have no doubt the US (and its allies) will win the conventional campaign (much like they did in Iraq and Afghanistan) but the counter-insurgency campaign which will result after the end of the conventional fighting is a different matter.

Los,

Just looking at the map, I find it very hard to believe that it's hard to tell weather a rocket is aimed at Russia or Iran.

As for policies and risks, I think you are overestimating Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin's concept of right and wrong. I assure you, all those things are up for sale in his government.

As for ground attacks, and insurgencies, US ended up in the swamps with Iraq and Afghanistan because they tired to fight "war in white gloves" followed by lame attempt to teach people a new way of life.

If our government had learned anything form past mistakes, they will be able to destroy Iran's nukes just fine and with minimal casualties. If not, than we are all in a deep crap, but if Iran gets nukes, we are in crap any way, so it wont matter.

Eli100

Wow Eli its clear you don’t know very much about modern warfare at all do you?

Take nuclear weapons for example, now the average nuclear missile can take anywhere between 5-10 minutes(and that’s a conservative estimate) from the time of launch to hit its target, furthermore, radar doesn’t automatically tell you it’s point of impact, just its origin. Thus you have anywhere between 4-8 min to figure out where it’ll hit and if it’s a threat (now for a weapon that can kill millions in one go that creates a lot of pressure) likewise any such weapons that land in northern Iran could end up in leaving fallout in the Caspian Sea (fallout can poison an area for about 100 years) which would affect Russia and thus can also be counted as an attack on Russia. Now it’s clear from this statement “I think you are overestimating Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin's concept of right and wrong. I assure you, all those things are up for sale in his government.” Its clear you have little respect for the Russian government, but regardless of whether or not he has lose ethics, I sincerely doubt that the Russian people would appreciate nor the Russian military appreciate the United states detonating nuclear weapons it its “back yard” hell a good analogy would be the question of how would the US react if China nuked Cuba?

Likewise, when you make statement like “US ended up in the swamps with Iraq and Afghanistan because they tried to fight war in white gloves” it’s clear you have no clue about what it takes to win a counter-insurgency campaign, now I don’t have the time to try to explain it, but needless to say that “taking the gloves off” as it were and using the full force of military power and then leaving the opponent to clean up the mess is the fastest way to lose such a conflict. Not win it, this is because insurgency/counter-insurgency warfare is a very different style of warfare to conventional warfare.

oh and if our respective govenments have learned anything its that simply using airstrikes alone will not stop Iran getting nukes it'll just delay the fact. Hell if they have truly learned anything from the history of weapons it'll be that eventually everybody catches up and thus one day Iran will get a nuclear weapon

I don't claim to be an expert on warfare, but I do know Russia and my disrespect for the government is base do on personal experience as well those of my friends and family.

I also know that Russian people don't think of Iran as their back yard, and US nuking Iran would make a lot more sense to them than it would for China to nuke Cuba.

I also know that there was no need for anti-insurgency campaigns after WWII, because the gloves were indeed off.

Eli100

“I also know that there was no need for anti-insurgency campaigns after WWII, because the gloves were indeed off."

Ha? You’re kidding right? Ok how about the counter-insurgency campaign in Palestine, 1945-48 or the counter-insurgency campaign in Malaya 1950-69 or the counter-insurgency campaign in Vietnam 1945-55. Just because the US didn’t engage in one until Vietnam 1965-75 (which they failed) doesn’t mean the rest of the world didn’t engage in them. Oh and if I was you I’d be thankful that the gloves were on Eli otherwise those Jewish terrorists that bombed the King David Hotel may well have faced the full force of the British army and killed a lot more Jews. Just saying

Los,

I think you misunderstood me, I was referring to countries who actually participated in WWII. There was no need for anti-insurgency campaigns in Western Germany or Japan, because USA was not trying to remake those countries (the way US tried in Vietnam and is now trying in Iraq and Afghanistan), only to remove the threat they posed.

There was some insurgency in Eastern Germany, because USSR did remake the territory they conquered to suite them, but they were ruthless, so their campaigns worked.

Those are the options, either you destroy everything that threatens you without holding back then go away, or you take over and smite any opposition without mercy. Anything else leads to a disaster. The second option is unacceptable for civilized country, only a ruthless dictator could pull that off. The first one is not a permanent solution, but it would work for a while, so why American government doesn't choose that is beyond me.

Since you've mentioned all those other campaigns, those were in fact needless and hopeless, especially the one in Palestine. British were fighting the victims of their yesterdays enemies, fresh out of concentration camps and only trying to survive, those were no threat to Britain.

Yes, I do appreciate it that British did not choose to pick up where nazis left off, but I would like it even more if they never started grabbing refugees fleeing form concentration camps and tossing them back to the nazis. Than Jews wouldn't need to turn to terrorism just to stay alive, and things like bombing of King David Hotel would've never happened.

Alex - let me tell you a little about iran's past record. Iran has not started a war with another coutry in almost 200 years. That should be enough for you to judge them.

Israel has attacked every one of its neighbors in the last 40 years. Israel has nukes. Iran doesn't have nukes.

Israel never attacked anyone who was not attacking them, and most of those who attacked Israel did that by means of Iranian sponsorship.

Iran will never represent a credible nuclear threat to the region UNTIL it successfully tests a nuclear device. That is the "red line" which must NEVER be crossed, OR ELSE! (And we not only need Israel standing with us on this, we also need the Arab League standing with us on this!) - RC

Who is to say the most recent nuke exploded by North Korea was not owned by Iran ? North Korean scientist are helping Iran with their nuclear program and, it was not long ago, the US stopped a North Korean ship headed for Iran with devices on board that could be used to help develop a nuclear bomb. What does that tell us ?

Personally, I don't believe Israel has to be much concerned about being a nuclear target by Iran unless, they wake up one morning and all the Palestinians have vacated Israel's borders. However, if the Iranians think the Palestinians would be better off as martyrs, Israel and the Palestinians both should be concerned.

Should we get into a shooting war with Iran, our policy needs to be to carpet bomb Iran until the entire country is an entirely flat landscape then, give a third of it to the Palestinians for a homeland. The third that abuts Afghanistan.

Owebama should consider all these things before he burns the $36 billion of war materiel we have in Afghanistan. He may be able to bring that equipment back to the US through Iran if he waits a few minutes before lighting the match.

...they wake up one morning and all the Palestinians have vacated Israel's borders.

That's why they let the Palestinians exist, they need that canary in the coal mine. We saw the same thing in Nam, count villagers going out, count them coming in and if the ratio gets too steep on the outside - ramp up fast. I think this is the oldest defense strategy in the world.

So what ? How many countries on the world have a atomic bombs today, europeans countries, Japan, Russia, USA, Pakistan and Israel, any problem ? Iran is no menace for us, is a headache to Israel for his economic develop in the area

Iran is no menace to us and merely headache to Israel as long as they have no nukes, if they do get nukes, they will become menace to Israel and headache to us.

So, welcome to the real world. If Israel has a problem then let them attack. I hope the Iranians respond in kind. Might as well get it over with before they turn into an Apartheid State anyway. By 2025 they will be outnumber by Israeli Arabs and that's when democracy will be thrown out the window. Time is running out for them, here and in Israel. Blacks and Hispanics are more Pro Palestinian and we are growing in numbers.

Did you also hope to end it back in the 70s when Arab states teamed up against Israel? Or the 60s? Or even 40s? USA was not supporting Israel back then, and that did not make any difference.

Israel is not going anywhere. Get use to the thought.

Idiotic apartheid accusations wont make any difference.

Reagan would have gotten us involved, then pull out. Remember Beirut, "Cut & Run"?

Raygun sold weapons to Iran remember??? Wasnt that treason??

Dead in his grave, thank God!

Reagan is in the ground, thank god!

You will be too when your time comes, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, recycled and reborn.

Ronald Reagan, the father of the cut and run strategy. He was a senile old fool.

Reagan was also the one who ended the Cold War without letting it turn into a shooting war.

One would think all those who are worried about a starting a WWIII now would appreciate that.

The Berlin Wall was still UP when he left office.

Better Careful; You said it best. Let Netanyahu make his plea to Wall Street,the American Jews are loaded,how about Hollywood they own that too and the Media. We should not get involved in Israel's political crap.

If you make Israel choose between aid and security, they will choose security.

If they don't have to worry about aid, they wont need to hold back in dealing with terrorists on the borders.

Meanwhile, here weapon companies will loose one of their biggest customers and lay of a few thousand people.

Well Eli- How about convincing Israel to give up the aid we send and we won't post any more negative comments about those parasites. Then Israel can go fight the entire arab world and we can watch.

I don't give a rap about any of our weapons manufacturers. Let them starve or retool and produce something useful.

Obviously, someone who probably lives on welfare due to a mental disability wouldn't give a damn about companies laying off people, but some of us work for living, so we don't want our corporations to loose customers.

Also, I have already heard that you are not using any technology that includes Intel chips, some of us don't want to live in a cave and prefer modern technology.

I am retired and I have a fine computer, which does not use intel chips. The military industrial complex is killing America. We need new roads, clean, renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind and we need to rebuild our infrastructure. We don't need more tanks, guns and fighter planes. We don't need to be supporting parasites in the middle east, such as Israel. Above all, we don't need to be fighting Israel's wars.

We need to get the Zionists out of our government. It was the neocons in the Bush Pentagon, who planned and sold the war in Iraq, which will end up costing America over 3.5 trillion dollars.

You want clean, renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind, talk to the Arabs who run oil lobbies, they are the ones blocking any such projects.

Israelis are actually working on perfecting electric cars right now.

Rebuilding infrastructure will cost a lot more than 3.5 bi per year.

Blaming Jews fro everything that goes wrong never solved any problems, only made bigots like you feel better.

Eli - The arabs are blocking efforts to develope solar energy? Please tell us how.

While I agree with you somewhat, I think that we should remember history before we repeat it over and over. The world stood by as Hitler went into what is now the Czech Republic. The British even apeased Hitler. While we should not react hastily, we need to pay attention to what is happening because the idiots of the world are bent on destroying it.

And when the bill comes in, nobody will want to pay higher taxes for it, but they will screech how the poor, the elderly, and the disabled are responsible for the economic crash and will demand that they pay for it instead!

When we bomb others in other countries for global banking criminals who call the shots for the leaders of Israel, U.S. et. al. WE are the NEW HITLER.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all,
it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a
simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist
dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice,
the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the
pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Göring at the Nuremberg trials

And when the bill comes in, nobody will want to pay higher taxes for it, but they will screech how the poor, the elderly, and the disabled are responsible for the economic crash and will demand that they pay for it instead!

That's the most true statement I've read today. I tried to tell people to watch out when Spanky and gang were beating the war drums, that WE would be paying for it later, but revenge is a difficult thing to reason with. No one at that time seemed to care that we were going to invade and disrupt the wrong nation. Now it's time to pay up, so the very first thing out of their mouths is "everybody's got to share the pain" (so we'll start with the old, sick, and poor, screw 'em - they're already in pain anyway).

Eric, WW2 started when Hitler invaded Poland. Russia also invaded Poland, but they were ignored and no one declared war against them except Germany later on. When the war was over, Russia was still in Poland, but had all of it, and had Czechoslovakia too. The objectives of the reason for the war were not met, much like WMD's in Iraq.

Except the rest of Europe could've been invaded by Nazis, but it wasn't.

I guess you don't consider that a good thing.

Not so Ex.

WWII started when Britain and France declared war on Germany, to enforce their joint guarantee of Poland's frontiers.

But both countries overlooked the subsequent Soviet invasion of eastern Poland. Perhaps they thought taking on the Bear as well as Germany was beyond their capabilities. So much for their lauded border guarantee.

Aussie Guy

Not so Aussie Guy, WW2 started in 1933 when the Japanese invaded mainland China and in that scenario the whole world did little more then send Japan a strongly worded letter.

Of course some historians have put forward the idea that WW2 never actually happened and that the war that was fought between 1939-45 was actually WW1 part 2 as the end of WW1 didn’t address the actual causes of that war.

Not sure what any of it has to do with Israel, Iran and the US today, just thought I’d add some interesting historiography to the conversation.

Perry I read the Israeli newspapers everyday as well. If anyone wants to see how horrible these people are, read the Jerusalem Post. These are mostly west bank settlers that are full of a hate that I have not seen any where else on this earth. See what they think of Christians and the USA. They despise us. They hate Palestinians with a passion. They are definitely not the chosen people and impostors from eastern Europe.

The West Bank settlers do not speak for all of Israel any more than neo-nazis like parker speak for all of US.

Eli - If you actually read the replies on these forums from your Zionist brothers and sisters, you will see they are every bit as hateful and horrible as the West Bank settlers. When I started on these forums, I had a far different opinion of the Jewish people as a whole, than I do now. The more I read, the more my opinions change.

I am tending to lump all of you together, which I know is wrong. I am still fond of my Jewish neighbors, my jeweler and the guy who owns the bagel shop. These forums do nothing but bring bad press to Israel. It is easy to spot the propagandists.

I think you have always been an atisemite, and anti-Israel campaign merely provided you a cover-up and a code-word.

You confirm it with every post.

israel should take over afgan for us first other than that the cowards should deal with it themselves they do well with unarmed citizens and children so they some practice

Yes. We have that much in common, don't we?

So we are pretending that terrorists with AK-47s and RPG do not exist, right?

Perry just more lies and propaganda. The Muslim Brotherhood started in the 1920's to go against the dictators set up by foreign governments. They were outlawed because of this. They took care of the poor in Egypt with food, medicines and money. Morsi is not turning the country towards Shariah Law, he is trying to get rid of the old military generals that are being supported by Israel and want full power. Iran has not attacked another country in over 300 years. How many people here know that Iran is the oldest civilization on earth. They have been around for 5000 years. They didn't last that long from war mongering. WAKE UP AMERICA, Israel is going to destroy us. They have already been caught 3 times selling high tech military equipment to China.

So, parker finally openly admits support for Muslim brotherhood, even if he still pretends to be American.

Congratulations.

and Netanhyaju is Ambassador from Satan...

Wow! Melodramatic nuttiness is contagious.

nobody likes a war especially with these worthless middle east people. but i think we have to stop Iran. and the best way is with nukes, like we did in world war 2. wipe them off the face of the earth and bring all of our military back home. but with a gutless leader like we have that is impossible. the military industrial complex supported him, so they control obama.

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet
Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979
to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions
live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they
refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked
Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine
weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion
proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the
Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into
Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they
were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to
support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly
civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on
their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100.
HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when
Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching
operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13
soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus
incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations
investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an
international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in
international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New
York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation
but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai
(1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad
(1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian
Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya
(1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989),
Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire
(1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to
present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995),
Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon
(1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998),
Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East
Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor
(2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote
d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti
(2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on
Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South
Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc.
etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?

I'd say you are pretty dangerous, brian. On your country list, you left out lower slobovia.

Why not just right "the whole world"?

It's amazing how much bs people can spill in a single breath.

Here Brian is listing attacks in retaliation simply simply leaving out the attacks done by the other side.

Fascinating.

Scoot this is the plan from Israel under the table, we go to war again Iran a big country, israel watch far away, we become exaust in resources y our economie in bad shape now become BROKE, we cant take later our foot from Iran, we are in the mud, wast next ? Israel come in a RESCUE ! borrow to us money , money we bring to them for free, before, pump money in our economy but A PRICE, our freedom, we became slaves from israel, puppets from David, working for them, our soldiers mercenaries from them, this is the plan in the shadows from this evil from Israel

Great.

Another one needs to check for Jews under his bed before he goes to sleep.

Thanks for the list Brian. It is all true. I will use it wisely.

Ely - You may not like Brian's list, but you cannot dispute the accuracy. This is a search for truth. The more people that know the truth, the worse it is for Israel.

Search hard my friends.

I can and am disputing it's accuracy.

By all means, search for attacks on Israel and see for yourself that Israel never attacked anyone who was not attacking them.

Search who was in charge of all those countries US attacked and see how they were treating their people.

@Brian--Why is it that you skip right over the fact that IRANIANS held 53 AMERICANS hostage for 444 days.

Under the guise of being students, Iranian spies from the Muslim Student Followers of the Imam's Line planned to over run the Soviet and American embassies. The current President of Iran is alleged to be one of them. Their plan was executed on November 4, 1979, at approximately 6:30 am.

Although it's claimed the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini had no prior knowledge of the takeover, nothing in Iran happened without his approval.

I believe that is the only case of Embassy occupation in history.

So there you have the "nothing" the Iranians have done to the United States!

Furthermore, United States military actions in our own Hemisphere were usually conducted by the CIA, rather than as a matter of National policy.

In the case of Israel, Brian seems to have a case of anti-Semitic memory block. Israel has been attacked repeatedly by every one of the countries bordering it. When Israel counter attacked and defeated Syria, Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon.

The first war of aggression carried out against Israel was the "Six Day War" in June 1967.

(the following is mostly copied/pasted from WIkipedia)

Six-Day War (June 1967) - Fought between Israel and Arab neighbors Egypt, Jordan, and Syria. The nations of Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Algeria, and others also contributed troops and arms to the Arab forces. Following the war, the territory held by Israel expanded significantly ("The Purple Line") : The West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, Golan Heights from Syria, Sinai, and Gaza from Egypt.

The next act of aggression TOWARDS ISRAELwas called the WAR OF ATTRITION initiated by EGYPT.

War of Attrition (1967–1970) - A limited war fought between the Israeli military and forces of the Egyptian Republic, the USSR, Jordan, Syria, and the Palestine Liberation Organization from 1967 to 1970. It was initiated by the Egyptians as a way of recapturing the Sinai from the Israelis, who had been in control of the territory since the mid-1967 Six-Day War. The hostilities ended with a ceasefire signed between the countries in 1970 with frontiers remaining in the same place as when the war began.

NEXT was the Yom Kippur War (October 1973) - Fought from October 6 to October 26, 1973 by a coalition of Arab states led by Egypt and Syria against Israel as a way of recapturing part of the territories which they lost to the Israelis back in the Six-Day War. The war began with a surprise joint attack by Egypt and Syria on the Jewish holiday of Yom Kippur. Egypt and Syria crossed the cease-fire lines in the Sinai and Golan Heights, respectively. Eventually Arab forces were defeated by Israel and there were no significant territorial changes.

The YOM KIPPUR WAR was started by the ARABS! Yet again!

Here's the rest of Israel's military actions in North Africa:

• Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon (1971-1982) - PLO relocate to South Lebanon from Jordan and stage attacks on the Galilee and as a base for international operations. In 1978, Israel launches Operation Litani - the first Israeli large-scale invasion of Lebanon, which was carried out by the Israel Defense Forces in order to expel PLO forces from the territory. Continuing ground and rocket attacks, and Israeli retaliations, eventually escalate into the 1982 War.
• 1982 Lebanon War (1982) - Began in 6 June 1982, when the Israel Defense Forces invaded southern Lebanon to expel the PLO from the territory. The Government of Israel ordered the invasion as a response to the assassination attempt against Israel's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov, by the Abu Nidal Organization and due to the constant terror attacks on northern Israel made by the Palestinian guerilla organizations which resided in Lebanon. The war resulted in the expulsion of the PLO from Lebanon and created an Israeli Security Zone in southern Lebanon.
• South Lebanon conflict (1982–2000) - Nearly 20 years of warfare between the Israel Defense Forces and its Lebanese proxy militias with Lebanese Muslim guerrilla, led by Iranian-backed Hezbollah, within what was defined by Israelis as the "Security Zone" in South Lebanon.
• First Intifada (1987–1993) - First large-scale Palestinian uprising against Israel in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
• Second Intifada (2000–2005) - Second Palestinian uprising, a period of intensified violence, which began in late September 2000.
• 2006 Lebanon War (summer 2006) - Began as a military operation in response to the abduction of two Israeli reserve soldiers by the Hezbollah. The operation gradually strengthened, to become a wider confrontation. The principal participants were Hezbollah paramilitary forces and the Israeli military. The conflict started on 12 July 2006 and continued until a United Nations-brokered ceasefire went into effect on 14 August 2006, though it formally ended on 8 September 2006, when Israel lifted its naval blockade of Lebanon. The war resulted in the pacification of southern Lebanon and in the weakness of the Hezbollah (which suffered serious casualties but managed to survive the Israeli onslaught).
• Gaza War (December 2008 - January 2009) - Three-week armed conflict between Israel and Hamas during the winter of 2008–2009. In an escalation of the ongoing Israeli–Palestinian conflict, Israel responded to ongoing rocket fire from the Gaza Strip with military force in an action titled "Operation Cast Lead". Israel opened the attack with a surprise air strike on December 27, 2008. Israel's stated aim was to stop such rocket fire from and the import of arms into Gaza. Israeli forces attacked military and civilian targets, police stations, and government buildings in the opening assault. Israel declared an end to the conflict on January 18 and completed its withdrawal on January 21, 2009.

They do. We give them 3.2 billion $$ per year to buy our defensive weapons systems and prop up their military. Thus far amounting to over 51 billion $$. We signed a Memorandum of Understanding to that effect with them years ago on Bush's watch.

We give Pakistan the same amount and Pakistan is constantly stabbing America in the back.

Yes!!!!! That is a brillant idea!!!!!! Then he can't stop all other methods which they need to do to keep from being murdered and voila the Arabs can murder all of them and complete Hitler's dream!!!!!!!

Come on Eric, think!!!!! If we had one missile cruise into New York from Canada, or Houston from Mexico don't you think we would do what ever needed doing to stop the second one from arriving!!!!!!

And we would probably do a hell of a lot worse reprisal from OUR people against who did it to us than Netanyaho has done to Israelie enemies!!!!!

Or are you another who always blames the victim of crimes so the perpitrator is the innocent poor poor pathetic used individual and the one who has had the crime executed against them should shut up and take it???? Let's say a women who gets raped???? Doesn't she deserve it since she has a vagina!!!!! It is all her fault because she;s had a couple of drinks, is wearing clothes that asks for it or just happens to be cute so she doublely deserves it!!!!!!!!!!

I know the Jews weren't wiped out between 1932 and 1945 and so it is their fault when they get bombed from an Arabian country!!!!!!!!!! They should just lay down and take it!!!!!!

Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet
Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979
to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions
live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they
refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked
Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine
weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion
proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the
Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel staged incursions into
Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombed Syria, again insisting they
were destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there was no evidence to
support Israel's claims. In 2006, Israel attacked Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly
civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on
their way out. In February 2008 Israel again raided Gaza, killing over 100.
HAMAS agreed to a cease fire and kept it for 6 months until November 4, when
Israel again attacked without warning, killing 6 HAMAS members, and launching
operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, were killed. Israel lost 13
soldiers. Violations of international law included the use of White Phosphorus
incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations
investigated, but Israel refused to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacked an
international aid flotilla bringing food and medical supplies to Gaza in
international waters. 9 people were murdered including an American from New
York.

In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation
but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai
(1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad
(1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian
Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya
(1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989),
Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire
(1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to
present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995),
Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon
(1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998),
Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East
Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor
(2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote
d'Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti
(2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on
Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South
Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc.
etc.

So, who is the danger to world peace?

Iran, who sponsors terrorist organizations that threaten people around the world.

Each and every attack by Israel, and some of the attacks by USA that you have listed was in retaliation to activities by those groups (as well of some other terrorists and gangsters), as you probably already knew, since nobody could be that ignorant.

And you faranginasia are a racist bigot who would rather blame the victims of the world's worst time period!!!!!!!!! By blaming the people who were murdered by the millions, you are proving that the bigotry against these people has nevered stopped, only gone partially underground while it's minions snipe at them hopping to turn the world's opinions back so your type can re-start the "FINAL SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Well Israel is too strong for that to happen again, no matter how MANY minnie Hitlers there are in this world!!!! Obama & HIS brotherhoods in the middle east will ALL go to hell if they try to end the state of Israel, and a whole hell of a lot of YOUR type will go first. As Americans of Judo/Christian beliefs will get sick of YOUR attacks on them and us Christians!!!!!!!!

You kick us around with insults from Victoria Secrets Angels, who are sluts struting around as Angels, too high school projects having everyone in the Bible humping around as queers!!!!!!

Well dearies of the left fking wing. Your time is coming!!!!!! First if Adam & Eve were queers then YOU wouldn't be here. The fing dinosoars weren't wiped out by a astoroid, they just had one generation that all went queer and voila NO MORE DINOSOARS!!!!!!

And YOU people are about one generation from non existance, because YOUR trying to force the end of Israel is marking YOUR doom!!!!!!!!!!!

OH!!!!!!!! I forgot -----------Sieg Hiel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love it. In the right wing world if you disagree with them you are an anti-semite, but they can make baseless accusations about the first black president and they are not racist.

Wilbe has lost it. Get some mental counseling soon.

The jews wear the hobnail boots now and are the new nazis.So Hitler killed some jews big deal.They survived unlike many in history who did not.Hell Ghengis Khan is credited with killing 40 million people which at the time caused a cooling trend worldwide because he reduced the carbon imprint of the human population.But since there is no video or pictures of him and his men hacking away who cares.Sure any attempt at genocide is unfortunate but hey it happens and will happen again.But the poor pitiful me refrain is boring from all the groups that use it.History is full of much worse atrocities than Hitler and for the poster that said it was the worlds worst time period obviously is ignorant of history completely and should also learn to spell when RANTING.