wb - Absolutely agree!

Oh good, it only took him five years. As long as he's in the area, maybe Obama can make a stop in Egypt to kiss the ring of the Muslim Brotherhood and make sure they're happy with our money and fighter jets.

If I were Netanyahu I'd blow this amateur off and go do a talk show...ya know show him the same courtesy he showed the Israeli leader. Maybe Obama can show some more support for terrorist regimes and go to a hotel in the Palestinian held portion of the strip.

I think the main thing that Netanyahu will push Obama on is setting a real deadline for Iran to stop its nuclear weapons program and open all of its nuclear facilities to unannounced and unfettered inspections by the IAEA. The sanctions and diplomatic efforts have done nothing to change Iran's behavior and they continue to march ever closer to having a nuclear weapon. There needs to be a hard deadline set or Iran will simply keep up there stalling tactics of agreeing to more fruitless negotiations every time the likelihood of an attack increases. Setting a hard deadline will put them on notice that there will be no more stalling, they either need to comply with the UN and IAEA requirements or face having their facilities leveled.

On the Palestinian issue, Netanyahu and the Israelis have a point. There is absolutely no point in negotiating with Abbas alone and Hamas has repeatedly indicated they are not interested in negotiations. It is impossible for Israel to seek peace with the Palestinians when a large group of Palestinians led by Hamas refuse to even accept that Israel has a right to exist. There have been a few times where a peace deal was very close to happening and each time the Palestinians moved the goal posts and killed the deal. This is because the Palestinian leadership does not really want peace. They need to have Israel to blame for all of the problems of the Palestinians. If there were peace the leadership would have no one to blame for the miserable living conditions and almost non-existent state of the Palestinian economy. Right now they have a significant level of self rule and have done nothing to improve the lives of their people. If there were peace, the people would turn their anger towards their leadership and start holding them responsible for the sad state of affairs in Palestinian territory. By keeping the battle going they can hold onto power by blaming Israel for all of the ills.

Then let Israel take care of itself. They can start with the return of all aid given in the past 5 years. No more weapons paid for by the American taxpayers. Also no aid when the Iranians defend themselves from an Israeli attack. The cost of repairing bomb out cities should reach into the billions. Also since the formation of Israel, only 4 American presidents visited Israel during their 1st term.

SSDD!

Good idea, MCR. And then the US can sit back and wait for Iran to shove a few nukes up our arse as well. Maybe one will land on your house.

People like you are always the first ones to criticise Israel for daring to defend her right to exist, then sit back and enjoy the freedom she provides YOU when she does the world's dirty work that nobody else has the balls to do.

By the way, MCR, show us your source regarding the four presidents. And of those four, how many visited the Muslim Brotherhood before visiting Israel? And of those four, how many times was Iran in the process of building a nuclear bomb before the visit? Our President Hussein should have been in Israel on day ONE of his first term.

Israel worked very hard for 60 years to turn the Mid-East into a war zone. They are not going to let any american president bring peace, it would cost the rich too much.

From the attack on the King David Hotel, to the attack on the uss Liberty, to 9/11, this is all England and Israel's doing. I say we just let the queen worry about it. it is the royal family that allowed the irgun and stern gang to create this world wide mess.

the sad part is that most of you have no idea what i'm talking about.

OMG give me a break that Israel could survive on its own. OK then so stop taking the FREE billions we give you and the FREE weapons we give you. Israel is the mighty thorn in our side. Every and any time our President visits the so-called land of milk and honey our money goes with it. FREE. Just think how we can boost our economy here if we cut them off.

He will do nothing as always . hey feisty and pigotry, FACK you and your opinions. your wrong you damn dirty democraps !

I think first Obama will assure him that it indeed was not him who played Satan in "The Bible" series on History Channel.

Talk to the Hand, of course that was not Obama in "The Bible." The actor who played Satan is Mehdi Ouzaani, a Moroccan actor. If the History Channel wanted to protray Obama, the actor would have been Kenyan.

Great wb52, I hope Netanyahu is totally disrespectful and insulting. Obama can then go back to the US and cut aid to Israel, because, as you said, Israel can take care of itself. We can also get rid of tax loopholes which give tax breaks to rich Jews, who donate large sums of money to Israel.

While we are at it, we can renounce any promises we have made to come to Israeli's aid if they are attacked. They can take care of themselves. Let the parasites fend for themselves.

"There also is not much of a chance that Obama will put too much pressure on Israel or the Palestinians. Analysts in both camps believe that Obama’s message will boil down to this – We have tried hard in the past and we got nowhere and got no thanks from anyone. We cannot want peace more than you do. So call when you are ready.'

This passage struck a cord with me. How true it is!!!! I'm tired of the entire mess...I've been watching this merry-go-round for the past 40+ years and I've had enough....status quo will continue to be the order of the day since it benefits those in power...time for Isreal to go it alone....our tax dollars can be better spent here at home taking care of our own!

Excellent idea, Ralph! Let's get rid of the tax loopholes which give taxe breaks to rich Jews. I believe they call that the "Rich Jew" loophole... where exactly is that again?

Doesn't it suck that instead of playing the victim for the 70 years following thhe Holocaust, the Jews decided to instead become educated and successful? I always love watching the reactions of the anti-semites who can't handle it. Thanks for the laughs!

You mean like the 250 million sent to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood aong with F-16 fighter jets?

Maybe Hamas will fire off a couple hundred missles, then our POS POTUS can give himself a medal for being in a combat zone, it can go right next to his peace prize medal.....what a hypocrite....

Perhaps the pres can convince Israel to take down the borders and stop taking immigration so seriously and give anyone from the ME voter rights.

There really isn't anything to discuss is there?

The entire discussion can boil down to "How much do you need?"

Drop off a blank check, end of discussion.

President Obama, Don't give the Warmonger blood sucking Israel any foreign aid, tell them America is Broke !!!

@Realist17...the problem is the anti semites can't handle the fact we rebuilt our culture, educated ourselves and built wealth after their pseudo-hero, Adolph Hitler, tried to wipe us out. They feel much more comfortable bemoaning the fate of the lazy, drug-hazed, oversexed American Negro who has done NOTHING but put out their hand for more "entitlements" to help themselves. Just ask Bill Cosby.

Bibi...Keep your back to the wall at all times when barack Hussein o'bama is in the room.

NEVER AGAIN!

The Jews indeed rebuilt their culture, educated themselves and built wealth. I hope they don't become party to the war machine. Iraq war is a stark warning that good people can fall prey to propaganda. Germans fell prey to Nazi's propaganda and Jews paid a very heavy price. We should avoid these serious mistakes in future.

Bebe will not treat the messiah the same crappy way that he was treated in the WH because Bebe has class and obama just has attitude.

Attitude does not a leader make.

Where is the leadership in Israel? Why can't they get a solution to this?

If only there was leadership this issue would be gone. If Netyanyahu wasn't running around trying to build his own legacy maybe there could be progress. Why does he refuse to lead?

Where is the leadership??????????

After all, we know in America all we need is leadership to fix anything.

Is the Monkey taking his golf clubs? Then we know he's ready to do some serious business.

OUCH I can see the Red Necks are out in force with their attitude of a dog.

If you cannot screw then p*ss on it, if you cannot p*ss on it kill it.

Boy aren't we smart

Obama should just stay in Israel. He and Bush bailed out their banksters. He does everything possible to appease the ZioNazis. He is not our president he is their lap dog. 100 years of unconstitutional FED private bankster monopoly of our monetary system is 100 years too many. Now that Ron Paul is out, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren are probably the only two in the legislature that have their heads far enough out of their own infinitely greedy anal elitist pig arses to realize what monetary system monopolizing, weapons dealing, war profiteering ZIONAZIS are doing to the USA and the planet. If the majority of our congress wants Netanyahu to be their president; they can go to Israel too. If the US people have to pay their air fare, that would be the first time in their treacherous careers they spent our money wisely

For all these people that say Israel must bring peace to the Middle East, what you are saying is for Israel to give up their land. By saying quit giving money and arms to Israel but it's ok to give them to Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood, which by the way, Egypt has only one purpose to use them, "on Israel". Obama has bowed down to the Muslim leaders and shunned Israel. He has no choice but to appear that he is supporting Israel, as this has been our policy for as long as I can remember. The first place I would begin would be to get rid of the Dome on the Rock that Israel allowed the Muslim's to erect as it got them nowhere. Israel has given enough and Obama would like them to give up more. "Never again". Stay strong old Israel as God is with you. I support Israel!

Israel worked very hard for 60 years to turn the Mid-East into a war zone.

Sure.

So why is Israel enjoying decades of peace with Jordan and Egypt?

Looks like you're just another Jew-hater spewing....

Results of the meeting:

1. More "talks" and "restrictions" with/on Iran.

2. Give back land to Palestine.

Nothing new here folks. Mr. Obama has a habit of "repeating" past campaign speeches.

In the words of obama "I gots mine you gats to get yo own".

So call when you are ready.

What an attitude from a nobel peace prize winner. How could one ask more of such an outstanding representative to the world?

Hell, obama can't even resolve disagreements in his own country, how could the world expect more from him on the international level. One has to know something about politics to be productive - campaigning won't work over there.

Hitler was Jewish, among other things, evidently "God" commanded all the "Isreelis" to kill all the men, women, children and animals and take their land, then "God" drowned them all except a couple, all the men, women and children.

This "holy land" is full of hatred, killing and illegal nuclear weapons, people don't care that Israel exists, they just don't want any more "wars" of killing. 5,000 plus men, women and children killed, wounded or maimed in Gaza, something like 14 Israelis killed, many of those by Israeli fire. It's insanity to have a living hell in this bs "holy land".

Netan yahoo is an a hole, Rabin, who wanted a peaceful solution was done away with by one of his own. Israel is so inflexible as to be fanatically crazy. Don't start another war, you people of "God".

Obama will also spend five hours with Palestinian leaders, but have much less to discuss. One item will dominate the agenda – how to form a Palestinian state.

The answer is easy, The Palestinians need to:

Recognize Israel's right to exist

Stop terrorism

Give up on "Right of Return' and taking 1/2 of Jerusalem and the parts of the West Bank settled by Israel.

They would end up with about 85% of the original agreement of 1948, which they should have taken but didn't. Instead they chose the side of their Arab brothers and lost, several times.

But the most important thing they should do is get rid of Hamas in Gaza, or just don't include Gaza in the negotiations. This is the most difficult part given the support Hamas gets from Iran and Muslim Brotherhood led Egypt.

For everyone saying that Obama showed disrespect for Netanyahu, please look up the following quotes Netanyahu that are actually recorded audio and video:

"We are benefiting from one thing, and that is the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq, swung American public opinion in our favor."(Self explanatory.)

"I know what America is. America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in our way. They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords] I said I would, but... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."(In other words, Israel planned to head into U.S. brokered Peace talks compliant with the Palestinian terms, and then argue the semantics in U.S. courts afterwards and blame the U.S.)

"How can Israel possibly continue to make credible military threats against Iran if at the hour of its greatest need, Washington betrays the Jewish state by making cuts in the 20% share of its defense budget that American taxpayers are obligated to pay?"(In other words, the Americans need to pay more in taxes so that Israel can use our military to fight Iran.)

”The world tells Israel to wait because there is still time. And I ask: Wait for what? Until when? Those in the international community who refuse to put red lines before Iran don’t have a moral right to place a red light before Israel.”(In other words, U.S. doesn't have the right to have an opinion on Israeli matters, we only have the right to go fight a war and die for them.)

Not really a quote, but on the day Obama announced he was going to re-boot peace talks between Israel and Palestinians, Netanyahu announced they were going to begin the construction of two new cities on Palestinian land.

I have nothing against Jewish people or their religious beliefs, but the way Israel is being run now, they are not our ally. We are their tool of war.

ldo

Results of the meeting:

1. More "talks" and "restrictions" with/on Iran.

2. Give back land to Palestine.

Nothing new here folks. Mr. Obama has a habit of "repeating" past campaign speeches.

Indeed. How dare Obama reflect what the majority of Americans believe and vote for, he should bend to Israeli will instead of American will. I apologize if you aren't on the side of the majority, but I suggest you look up the definition of Democracy and wash your foot before inserting it into your mouth.

Steven B-So why is Israel enjoying decades of peace with Jordan and Egypt?

Because of all the aid money given by the US to those countries.The very money that pro-Israel posters on here are always complaining about.Don't you guys read history?

Realist -

Some pro-settler charities have obscured their true intentions.

Take the Capital Athletic Foundation, run by the disgraced Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff. In its I.R.S. filings, the foundation noted donations totaling more than $140,000 to Kollel Ohel Tiferet, a religious study group in Israel, for “educational and athletic” purposes. In reality, a study group member was using the money to finance a paramilitary operation in the Beitar Illit settlement, according to documents in a Senate investigation of Mr. Abramoff, who pleaded guilty in 2006 to defrauding clients and bribing public officials.

Mr. Abramoff, documents show, had directed the settler, Shmuel Ben Zvi, an old high school friend, to use the study group as cover after his accountant complained that money for sniper equipment and a jeep “don’t look good” in terms of complying with the foundation’s tax-exempt status.

While the donations by Mr. Abramoff’s charity were elaborately disguised — the group shipped a camouflage sniper suit in a box labeled “Grandmother Tree Costume for the play Pocahontas” — other groups are more open. Amitz Rescue & Security, which has raised money through two Brooklyn nonprofits, trains and equips guard units for settlements. Its Web site encourages donors to “send a tax-deductible check” for night-vision binoculars, bulletproof vehicles and guard dogs.

Other groups urge donors to give to one of several nonprofits that serve as clearinghouses for donations to a wide array of groups in Israel and the West Bank, which, if not done properly, can skirt the intent of American tax rules.

Americans cannot claim deductions for direct donations to foreign charities; tax laws allow deductions for domestic giving on the theory that charities ultimately ease pressure on government spending for social programs.

@Reality Check - Amen, brother!

@Ralph - You're a biggot, so everything you say is clouded, and you are incapable of dialogue because your views are driven by hatred, which is why I won't even bother reading your post.

@Mackman, the fact that you call those who disagree with Obama's policies bigots brands you the biggest biggot of them all - to play the race card where it doesn't exist.

I would have voted for Herman Cain if NBC and the other mainstream media folks didn't drive him out with false claims of infidelity. And I will MOST DEFINITELY vote for Ben Carson if he runs.

So I am not a biggot. What I do despise is incompetence.

You say Obama has done nothing against me or my family? I beg to differ. Every time Obama opens his mouth, he proclaims that he is not MY president. I pay more than half my income to taxes and still have six figures in student loans, and yet he blames his economy on me because I don't pay my fair share.

Until he shows me and those like me (who are the engine that is going to drive our economy forward) the respect we deserve, I don't feel the need to show him or his policies any respect.

It's takers like yourself who should STFU. Just wait until the grass-roots movement takes hold of those who actually contribute to our economy - it'll make the Tea Party look like a walk in the park.

Many are unaware - that the murders of Syrians - is in fact an ethnic cleansing of Christians from the population.

The focus of the deaths of these Christians has not been publicized the way it would be - if the killings were Muslim. Christians have been killed holding prayer meetings in their homes.

Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Jay Carney all condemned "The Youtube Video" that made Muslims mad (supposedly) enough to attack and kill our citizens and Ambassador.

No one from the Administration - is complaining as Syria continues in the killings of Christians by Muslims - which is Sad and Pathetic - for a President who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

What up Obama?

Marcus, get comfortable with two facts: 1) Obama cares only about his political agenda, and not about what's right, and 2) he will lie, cheat, deceive, and do whatever it takes to achieve #1...

... and you will start feeling a lot better (or at least less surprised) about his actions and inactions.

Pre Date You: You clearly have no clue what democracy is about. Democracy is about our leaders doing what they were elected to do, not what they choose to do after they're elected (see Obamacare). We vote for candidates based on issues most important to us, not on all issues, as no voter espouses every view of its candidate. And quite honestly, most voters are uneducated and don't have a clue what the candidates stand for. Obama's position on Israel is in the minority. He is a president of his own political agenda with disregard of what Americans want, and even more disregard of what American is all about, and complete disregard of the ideals of what America was founded upon.

Realist, give me a link to 1 single poll, from any demographic, that shows we want to go to war against Iran, Gaza, or the West Bank. Even republicans say that a war with Iran would be one of the biggest blunders in America's history. If any part of your paragraph directed towards Pre Date You is correct, you will be able to show us 1 single poll supporting it. Just because you disagree with Obama(probably on everything using the argument "his name is Obama"), doesn't mean his position is the minority, and the polls prove his position is not the minority. Go ahead, show us one single poll supporting your claims. Just one, we're waiting.

Dan Yell, you are the typical liberal. Show me where I once said that we should go to war against Iran, Gaza, or the West Bank. Show me. I'm waiting. What I said was that Obama's position on Israel is in the minority. Big difference, but it's impossible to rationalize with the irrational, so I'll stop trying.

But you want a poll that shows Obama's views on Israel is in the minority? Just one? Here you go - 89% disagree with Obama's views with regards to returning to the 1967 border. Have a nice day. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/05/19/israel-pull-67-borders-create-palestinian-state/

Dan Yell: Oh and by the way, Pew Research Poll: "Which is more important: to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons, even if it means taking military action, OR to avoid a military conflict with Iran, even if it means they may develop nuclear weapons?"

64% Prevent Iran from Developing Nuclear Weapons

25% Avoid Military Conflict

Have a nice day, and keep up the stupidity.

http://www.pollingreport.com/iran.htm

"Remember the U.S.S. Liberty" !!!

Remember the SS St Louis?

@ seaskip

Remember the ALAMO. but Illegals are every where . so Fack you on that note seasunk

LOL

"Remember the U.S.S. Liberty" !!!

Remember Lt. General Lesley James McNair!

Remember the USS Stark!

Remember the USS Vincennes!

Remember the USS Cole!

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Remember that Jew haters will always side against Israel and Jews anyway.

Yes, never forget the USS Liberty, 8 June 1967. A US navy ship that was deliberately attacked by Israeli thugs while in international waters. 34 US sailors were killed and as of this day, not one Israeli has been charged or held accountable for the murder of our sailors. This is shameful.

A US navy ship that was deliberately attacked

A bald-faced lie.

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Remember that Jew haters will always side against Israel and Jews anyway.

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You frigging garbage take your two passports, shove one where the sun doesn't shine and use the other to go back to Israel. Oh yeah now I am an anti-semite cause you have nothing more to say. I am not, I an a one passport United States citizen that pays in the top 8% of tax payers and I say it is crap that Israel is ranked 12 in taking care of their retirres while the US is 19th. They should be sending us the money not the other way. We have over 5000 nukes, Iran for us is like a pimple on the azz of an elephant. Ignorant fools getting scared by the govt or the press, not smart enough to read. Israel is for Israel not for us and we need for us to be for us. They are such wonderful allies, then tell me, how died in Afghanastan, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea??????? Wake up. In ten years we will be energy independent and then that entire part of the world can just blow itself up.

Steven B is right:

Th attack on the U.S.S. Liberty was as equally intentional and villainous as the

attack on the U.S.S. Stark, the USS Vincennes and U.S.S. Cole . . .

So why pretend that Israel is our ally?

Steve B?

Stevan - Read this and then try to tell us the attack on the Liberty was an accident.

There is a timeline
at the website which was set up to honor the American victims of the Israeli
and U.S. Military. Most of it follows.

June 8,
1967, Israeli forces attack the USS Liberty. They kill 34 American servicemen,
wounding 171 others. It will be the highest casualty rate ever inflicted on a
U.S. naval vessel, with 7 out of every 10 crew members killed or injured. It
will also be the only peacetime attack on a U.S. naval vessel that, to this
day, the Congress of the United States of America formally refuses to
investigate.

2 June 1967. Liberty
departs Rota at top speed of 18 knots en route to a point 13 miles off the Gaza
Strip, well within international waters.

5 June 1967, 7:45
(all times cited are local Liberty time). Israel attacks Egypt, simultaneously
putting out false reports that Egypt had attacked first. Captain McGonagle asks
Vice Admiral William Martin at Sixth Fleet headquarters to send a destroyer as
an armed escort and auxiliary communication center, noting that Liberty's
"self defense capability limited to four .50 caliber machine guns and
small arms."

6 June
1967. Admiral Martin replies "Liberty is clearly marked United States ship
in international waters, not a participant in the conflict and not a reasonable
subject for attack by any nation . . . Request for escort denied."

7 June
1967, shortly before midnight. Office of the U.S. Defense Attaché in Tel Aviv
sends coded message to U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) that Israel intends
to attack the Liberty if her course is not changed.

8 June 1967:

1000: Two unmarked,
rocket-armed, delta-winged jets circle Liberty three times. Liberty officers
can count rockets and see the pilots, but see no identifying marks on the
plane. The jets radio Israeli headquarters that the ship is flying an American
flag.

1030: Israeli "flying boxcar" with Israeli markings circles
Liberty at about 200 feet. Crew member Larry Weaver says, "I was actually
able to wave to the co-pilot, a fellow on the right-hand side of the plane. He
waved back, and actually smiled at me."

1055: Pinchas Pinchasy, naval liaison officer at Israeli air force
headquarters, reports to Naval Headquarters that the ship cruising slowly off
El Arish is "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy,
named Liberty, whose marking was GTR-5."

1100 & 1130: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1205: Three Israeli motor torpedo boats leave Ashdod at high speed headed
toward Liberty. They are followed by Israeli air force fighters, loaded with
30mm cannon ammunition, rockets, and napalm.

1215 & 1245: Israeli reconnaissance aircraft again circle Liberty.

1341: Israeli torpedo boats spot Liberty and call for an immediate air strike.

1358: Two unmarked delta-winged Mirage jets attack Liberty. After taking out
gun mounts, they target ship's antennae and bridge with heat-seeking missiles.

1405: Three unmarked Dassault Mystère IIIC jets attack with napalm and
rockets. Ship tries to contact Sixth Fleet headquarters, but five of Liberty's
six shore circuits are jammed. Radio operator manages to send distress signal
from Captain McGonagle: "Under attack by unidentified jet aircraft,
require immediate assistance." Attack lasts approximately 22 minutes,
involving 30 to 35 sorties, killing nine men and wounding around 60. Israeli
pilot reports to base: "Great, wonderful, she's burning, she's
burning."

1409: Captain Joe Tully of the USS Saratoga acknowledges call for help,
dispatches four F-4 Phantom jets, and informs Liberty that help is on the way.
Within minutes U.S. Secretary of Defense Robert MacNamara orders rescue jets to
return: : "Tell Sixth Fleet to get those aircraft back
immediately." Rear Admiral Geis relays message and tells them to re-launch
jets in 90 minutes.

1424: Three French-built 62-ton Israeli motor torpedo boats approach Liberty in
attack formation. Because the Israeli fighters had destroyed the American flag,
Captain McGonagle orders the signalman to hoist the "holiday ensign,"
the largest flag the ship has.

1435: Torpedo boats launch five German-made 19-inch torpedoes at Liberty.
One torpedo strikes starboard directly into NSA area, accounting for 25 of the
34 men who would be killed. Torpedo boats then circle, machine-gunning the ship
with armor-piercing projectiles for another 40 minutes.

1450: Commander of Sixth Fleet orders carriers USS America and USS Saratoga to
send aircraft to defend Liberty.

1500: NSA Sigint Command Center receives first notice of the attack from either
the America or Saratoga: "USS Liberty has been reportedly torpedoed by
unknown source in Med near 32N 33E. Request examine all communications for
possible reaction/reflections and report accordingly."

1505: Message sent to Liberty from Sixth Fleet: "Sending aircraft to cover
you. Surface units on the way." Liberty is off the air and does not
receive the message.

1511: First "official" notice that Liberty is under attack reaches
National Military Command Center in Washington.

1515: After the order to "prepare to abandon ship" comes over the
loudspeaker system, the lifeboats are lowered into the water. Israeli torpedo
boats move in closer and fire on them, as well as those still on deck, making
them all unusable. "I watched with horror as the floating life rafts were
riddled with holes," recalled Lieutenant Lloyd Painter, in charge of the
evacuation. Said Petty Officer Rowley, who also witnessed the event: "They
didn't want anyone to live." After destroying the life rafts, the Israeli
boats departed. Next, two Israeli SA-321 Super Frelon Hornet assault
helicopters carrying soldiers in battle dress circle ship several times, then
depart.

1600: Liberty transmits: "Flash, flash, flash. I pass in the blind. We
are under attack by aircraft and high-speed surface craft." Deputy
Director Louis Tordella is informed by Deputy Director of Joint Reconnaissance
Center, Captain Vineyard, that "consideration was then being given by some
unnamed Washington authorities to sink the Liberty in order that newspaper men
would be unable to photograph her and thus inflame public opinion against the
Israelis." Tordella makes an "impolite" comment about the idea,
writes a memo of the conversation for the record, and stores it away.

1639: Secretary of Defense McNamara again orders rescue planes recalled;
order is confirmed by President Johnson because "we are not going to
embarrass an ally." Naval Air Attaché at U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv,
Commander Ernest Castle, is summoned to Israeli Defense Forces headquarters.

1729: Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, commander of the Sixth Fleet in the
Mediterranean, protests decision to recall rescue planes to Secretary of
Defense McNamara. At that point President Johnson comes on the phone and says
he didn't care if the ship sunk, he would not embarrass his allies. Admiral Geis
tells Lt. Commander David Lewis, head of the Liberty's NSA group, of the
remark, but asks him not to repeat it until after he dies. It is a promise
Lewis will honor.

9 June 1967:

After midnight: Soviet guided missile
destroyer sends flashing-light message in English: "Do you need
help?" Liberty responds: "No thank you." Soviets answer: "I
will stand by in case you need me."

0600: USS Navy destroyers Davis and Massey
arrive.

Mid-morning: Dead and wounded are evacuated by helicopter.

1450: Israeli Lt. Col. Michael Bloch telephones Commander Castle that Liberty,
because it was not flying a flag, had been mistaken for the Egyptian supply
ship El Queseir. State Department assures Congress that attack was accidental.

10 June 1967: Vice Admiral McCain orders Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd to convene
Navy Court of Inquiry.

11 June 1967: Admiral Kidd boards Liberty
with small staff to head Navy Court of Inquiry.

14 June 1967: Liberty arrives in Malta. Total
news blackout imposed. Rear Admiral Kidd warns crew: "You are never,
repeat never, to discuss this with anyone, not even your wives. If you do, you
will be court-martialed and will end your lives in prison or worse."
Secretary of Defense McNamara informs media that, "Department of Defense
will have no further comment."

15 June 1967: Secretary of State Dean Rusk
tells NATO ambassadors in Luxembourg that Israel's attack was deliberate. His
remark is reported in European, but not U.S. papers.

18 June 1967: Israeli Court of Inquiry
exonerates Israeli government and all those involved, saying that its torpedo
boats erroneously reported the Liberty's speed at 30 knots instead of 5, and
that the Liberty flew no flag and had no identifying markings. Later, Israel
will honor Motor Torpedo Boat 203, the one that fired the deadly torpedo at the
Liberty, by putting its wheel and bell on display in its naval museum, among
those maritime items of which it is most proud.

My words -Imagine, those f--ing Israelis were so proud of the accident, theycelebrate it to this day.

July 1967: Shortly after the burial of six
Liberty crewmen in Arlington National Cemetery, a monument is erected
describing the six as having "Died in the Eastern Mediterranean."
Liberty survivors complain that the marking is evasive and improper.

September 1967: State Department legal
adviser Carl Salans finds many discrepancies with the Israeli report. His
report is classified Top Secret.

11 June 1968: Captain McGonagle is awarded
the Congressional Medal of Honor. The Medal, usually presented by the President
of the United States at the White House, is presented by the Secretary of the
Navy during a hastily arranged ceremony at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard.
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, the Chief of Naval Operations, calls the way the
Medal is presented a back-handed slap. "Everyone else received their medal
at the White House," Moorer will later observe. "President Johnson
must have been concerned about the reaction of the Israeli lobby."

1980: National Security Agency Director
Marshall Carter tells investigative author James Bamford that, regarding the
attack on the Liberty, "There was no other answer than that it was
deliberate."

1981: National Security Agency review,
"Attack on a Sigint Collector, the USS Liberty Incident," rejects the
Israeli Court of Inquiry's "mistake" theory and accuses Israeli
fighter pilots and torpedo boat crewmen and commanders of perjury.

1982: Israeli senior lead pilot approaches
former Congressman Pete McCloskey and admits that he recognized the Liberty as
American immediately, so informed his headquarters, and was told to ignore the
American flag and continue his attack. He said he refused to do so and returned
to base, where he was arrested.

6 October 1982: A new headstone for the six
Liberty crew members at Arlington National Cemetery is unveiled. This one
reads: "Killed USS Liberty June 8, 1967."

1986: Lt. Commander Walter H. Jacobsen writes
in Naval Law Review: "To speculate on the motives of an attack group that
uses unmarked planes and deprives helpless survivors of life rafts raises
disturbing possibilities, including the one that the Liberty crew was not meant
to survive the attack..."

6 November 1991: Columnists Evans and Novak
publish interview with Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967, in
which Porter says that during or immediately after the attack on the Liberty
the CIA station chief showed him transcripts of intercepted Israeli messages.
One has Israel ordering the attack on the Liberty, another has an Israeli pilot
replying it's an American ship. When the order to attack is repeated, the pilot
insists he can see the American flag. The pilot is told again: "Attack
it."

8 June 1997: Adm. Thomas H. Moorer, appointed
Chief of Naval Operations shortly after the attack on the Liberty, tells a
reunion of survivors: "I have to conclude that it was Israel's intent to
sink the Liberty and leave as few survivors as possible. Israel knew perfectly
well that the ship was American."

November 1998: Captain McGonagle breaks his
long silence: "After many years I finally believe that the attack was
deliberate. I don't think there has been an adequate investigation of the
incident . . . The flag was flying prior to the attack..." McGonagle will
die four months later, on March 3, 1999.

Thanks again RalphH. This should be taught in all American schools history classes.

Show us where Israel "attacked" Palestinians "first" and I'll show you a liar. Evidently, you give no credence to the Old Testament or Torah.

I bet you have never even met a "Zionist". You probably couldn't identify what that comprises of if someone were that stood in front of you - how would you know? What identifying "features" does a Zionist have?

So...gather your facts and we'll meet here and discuss it further - perhaps figures all of this out so that Mr. Obama doesn't have to. I'm always eager to help the president with foreign affairs.

Brit in the pit

Maybe you should study your history a little more. It was after-all the British Empire, that created the mess over there when they "created" various "countries" to placate certain "royal families".

It WAS the British that took nomadic peoples and said "this is YOUR land", as long as you play by our rules.

Of course, it was also the "creation" of the formal state of Israel in 1948, after WWII and the governments of the world felt compelled to make the Jews "safe" in their own homeland after Hitler exterminated 11 million people. 6 million Jews and 5 million other peoples of various ethnicities and religions.

So Brit, look to the "crown" to see where modern day problems really started.

Brit in the pit,

Don't let facts stand in the way of a good rant.

Anyone who is interested in the conflict, as Obama claims to be, must know the Israelis are making life hell for the Palestinians intent on pushing them off the face of the earth.

So far, they've got the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. At this rate, they will push them off the face of the earth about the time the sun goes nova.

Do we really have to send more 'aid' money to Israel than we do to all the other countries in the world combined?

I hope not. According the the US Agency for International Development, in 2009 Israel got 2,432 million in economic and military aid, or about 5.5% of the 44,957 million spent that year.

Justis4u: here it is, look up Yeis Dasiem Masacre, then you will know how clueless you really are.

Justin - I give no credence to those works of fiction.

Georgy (#3.4):

Firstly, it's Deir Yassin, occurred in April 1948. Tragic indeed. But unfortunately, Israel learned from the master Muslim terrorists who predated even the Nazi murderers by 20 years. Look up the 1920 Nabi Musa riots that happened long before Deir Yassin. You and your reasoning skills (or lack thereof) are indeed pathetic.

"Nabi Musa was a pilgrimage holiday that flooded Jerusalem with Muslims. It had been instituted by Salah a Din to counter the large number of Christian pilgrims who swelled the city at Easter. The troubles began on the morning of April 4. The pilgrims were greeted by rallies and demonstrations that included incitement speeches and calls to massacre the Jews, led by Hajj Amin el Husseini, his uncle, the mayor of Jerusalem, Musa Kazem al Husseini and Aref el Aref. The Arabs chanted "Filasteen Arduna wa'al yahud
Kilabuna" (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs) "Itbach al Yahud (slaughter the Jews) and other slogans that became the hallmarks of such massacres. British police applauded."

http://www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Nebi_musa.htm

Thanks Basil. I always appreciate your comments and thanks for the links. As always sources add credibility and you always come through big time :)

What criminals did he release? All presidents travel, it's part of the job. Bush traveled overseas less than most, because he wasn't welcome in some countries, and wanted in others. Don't worry, I don't think he has his golf clubs on this trip. The Senate and House don't seem to be strapped to their desks either. You didn't mention that twice as many illegals were incarcerated in 2011 than in 2002, and that they are being deported in record numbers. You've never met a fact you couldn't ignore.

John Bryant,

Call ICE if you want that information. From a news article:

More than a third of the 342 illegal immigrants released from detention facilities in Arizona last month were convicted criminals, and one of them was categorized as a Level 1 offender, the highest risk, according to data released by the federal government Friday.

@ John

deported in record numbers really you have a link for this? Yes more have been caught but only because Obummer made it so they want to come get the free stuff he is waving at them.

The director of U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, John Morton, said his agency had released 2,228 illegal immigrants during that period for what he called "solely budgetary reasons." The figure was significantly higher than the "few hundred" immigrants the Obama administration had publicly acknowledged were released under the budget-savings process

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/03/illegal-immigrants-released-88871.html#ixzz2NzG2fIXy

Don't care how many he caught if he is just going to release them right back in the country.

I will wait for your link on the deporting....

yeah, imagine that, a president using money to travel and take care of business,. why can't he be like bush and fly around in an F16 for a photo op. much better use of funds. or maybe he can vacation in Texas and cut down brush while the world is burning, like bush. yeah, that's the ticket. lol

Wow george nice come back there has nothing to do with what was said LMFAO.

Bush did not scare the American people about a sequester like your god Obummer.

Bush did not release illegals back into America and endangering my kids.

Take care of business don't you think America is his business?

world was burning under Bush really have link for this? Or are you a dem that post crap and run like John?

The world is burning more now with Obummer by the way..

Troll, your a dumb ass.. where's your evidence? How go you know all those immigrants were criminals? Facts please, just don't talk out of your @!$%# hole.

aesco1assssshole it was reported on many different networks that some of those released were charges with felonies, try and keep up.

@ aesco1

Really asking for a link my my you dems are blind look at #5.3 I did post link

HAHAHAH..

You just made yourself look like a fool.......

Oh wait the name calling thing means you seen the turth....

@ aesco1

One more thing that makes them criminals they are here illegally that my friend makes them a criminal under the law....

More I read your post the more I find funny.

Just another photo op for Obama - pictures will probably be released with some children standing behind him.....

Navvet98 you are a stupid azz. In the last 10 years, for business I have traveled over a million miles all over the world. i don't stay on military bases and I speak a few languages. Right now I am in latin america. Bush was a joke and an embarrassment to the US. Yes lots of people are all over the world are disisulisioned with Obama but most think the Republicans are idiots. Kind of like us, most people I know who voted for Obama, really just voted against the idiots in the GOP. You don't know crap about the world or what it thinks. Stupid fool is all you are.

So weird.

"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." ---Rahm Emanuel

PR...

The ultimate response from a uninformed voter.

thanks for that SRM and I can't wait to hear your next parroting after the Lush Rimballs show today.

Mossad probably just noted your IP address if you even know what that is!

Rush Limbaugh is too politically correct for me. What he calls "low-information voters" I call "people who are exercising their franchise while being ignorant of politics, economics and civics."

that weed you baked for breakfast was just too good huh Denver Bill?

denver

I suppose you have all the answers to all of the Questions. Did you ever stop to think that your viewpoint might be wrong?

PRober

that weed you baked for breakfast was just too good huh Denver Bill?

Have you been talking to my wife again?

Grandpa-2986035

I suppose you have all the answers to all of the Questions. Did you ever stop to think that your viewpoint might be wrong?

I don't have answers to all the questions ..... and I am smart enough to realize it. And yes, I often stop to think that my viewpoint might be wrong. That is what separates people who think from those who are ignorant.

"It's not the things you don't know that make you ignorant. It's the things you do know that just ain't so. ---Mark Twain

Mr. Hairy, it's really no wonder why you ride a Kawasaki with a Harley emblem screwed onto the sissy bar, is it?

Mr. Rober: Now, first thing this morning, I want you to walk through your pansy garden and pull all of the weeds. Then, you need to wash your Prius so it will be all clean for your date with Brucie tomorrow night!! And, above all, go out and get a job. You know, earn a living, and stop mooching. Enough of the welfare and food stamps. Enough is enough!!

actually Mr Hairy, I ride a custom Heritage Classic. What do you ride BOY? A Walmart knockoff of a Schwinn I'm thinkin'. Oh and by the way, I probably pay more in property taxes than you make in a year

PRober: Well, you certainly do 'come off' as a very mature, knowledgeable, and successful, individual.

Karl Marx....was Jewish?? He also envied the rich hence is disdain for them. He wasn't smart enough or disciplined enough to be rich so he demonized them..go figure hypocrisy at its best...EVER!!

Prober,

PRober

actually Mr Hairy, I ride a custom Heritage Classic. What do you ride BOY? A Walmart knockoff of a Schwinn I'm thinkin'. Oh and by the way, I probably pay more in property taxes than you make in a year

Braggin' about your Heritage Classic and how much you earn, huh? As your buddy Obama would say, "you didn't build that". Any puss can walk into a dealership and buy a hog. Try screwin' one together from parts.

We fought in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan for lesser reasons! The only ally Obama recognizes is a Chicago mobster. Besides he is Muslim.

Rob gets it... some of us do. And do the HIGH info voters who vote republicon ever wonder why Israel never sent troops into Iraq or Afghanistan? Of course they don't.

They are smart we are dumb - that answer your question.

Keep talkin' rlb43. All I can think of about you is the word "typical."

yes... typically ignorant and fooled.

Your an idiot.

I can't believe it

Some of these frikkers want to get into another costly and non-winnable war that would make the mid-east far more unstable than it is now. Wow.

It's funny how it's always the other guy/girl that needs to fight the war though and not them.

Obama will have an assassination attempt happen over there and then no doubt we go to war...the closest false flag ever had. Something bad has to happen to keep the current story current right?? Something to release the pressure something to help 'cause' something to happen?? Nothing good will come from this visit, only more drama, more sword swinging, and more of the same old song and dance. Hamas will try something while he is there I will put money on it right now...Monopoly money though it is worth more than dollars right now.

Sounds good.

Sounds more to me like a repeat of US policy towards Israel since the 1990s, to in effect give Israel everything it asks for whilst pretending that the US giving Israel everything it asks for.

That's meant to say "pretending that the US isn't giving Israel everything it asks for" lol

@blackdaddy1 - LMFAO!!!!!!!

racist and bigoted much there Mr. Hairy? You wouldn't know a fact if Faux News screwed up and broadcast one... once.

Mr. Rober: I get all of my FACTS from Whoopie Goldberg on "The View", and from Al "Not So" Sharpton on MSNBC. No Fox News for me!!

Hey mr tricycle

How will he catch fish after you pollute all the waters fish live in?

@ PRober

By denying the fact Mr. Harley is incorrect and calling him a racist only diminishes all the reasons you voted for Obama. If eveything he stated is a lie and racsist, why did you vote for Obama?

I didn't azzhat... shows what 'Oh Please' knows. I didn't vote this past election. I live in Texas where all Electoral College votes go red. But had I voted for Myth Romney, I would need to be examined by neurosurgeons looking for the brain in my head. I'll stand by what I said... people like yourself and Mr. Harley are simply racists and your posts expose you as such every time.

oh please is a f_cking moron, don't waste your breath.

Hamas was democratically elected twice. They want to free their country from the perpetual occupation of israel. they never operate outside their country. sure, they have made mistakes and committed brutal acts of violence against civilians, but so did israel 1000 times over. still it doesnt make it right!!

Quovadisusa,
If only they would take him...And Sideshow Joe ;)

Cut them off now! What about humanitarian goods for our country. People are homeless and hungry here.

Arrest him for not having a visa.

Can't get a Visa without a birth certificate! Hell may be we should just not let him back through customs. Problem solved.

Yeah, the teabagger birther has made it to the discussion. Just when I though it could not get any dumber.

Scarcasim right? Please tell me your not that far removed from reality. He isn't capable of dispeling hate in Chicago and he's their god.

WTF?? M.J. CT - did you fall and sustain a concussion or something?? Unite? Compromise? You post words that do not describe anything that Obama would or could do.

LOL

MJ,
Now that's Funny!! And Pure Fantasy....Obama has only united A Great Divide anywhere he roams.

Obviously some people to stupid to understand the art of satire. Oh Please and Proud to be by stupid I mean y'all.