Technology does not work against religious fanatics with bomb belts under their coats. This is jungle warfare and the fence will not be a long term solution. The killing has gone on for 2000 years and will continue with self perpetuation...........

Fences eventually fail, but it has lowered the amount of suicide bombings.

This from NBC: "Hamas is a Palestinian political party with an aggressive militant wing"

How about "Hamas is a Palestinian terrorist wing who kills both Israelis and Palestinians in furtherance of its political agenda"?

But that's why NBC is the least trusted network in America. Oops, tied for last - with THE COMEDY CHANNEL! Only this blunder isn't funny.

Richard Engle is right up there with Martin Fletcher as an a_— sucker and PR man for american foreign policy

Israel becoming a "fortress"?

It's been a fortress for about as long as it's existence. Built with american money.

Like General Haig said: "Israel is our unsinkable air craft carrier in the middle east" in order to control the oil resources of the region, etc. (along with Saudi Arabia)

And Israel and the U.S. are responsible for a lot of the chaos and killing going on around it, that they are trying to keep out.

They did not make Arabs kill each other. Those do it just fine on their own. Excuse Israelis for wanting ot stay alive.

Israel's hands are tied by international influence and ignorance. Israel should be allowed to protect themselves at all costs. The fact is Islam is a religion of hate and war. It originated as a religion of hate. after Israel is gone you spineless, pc and weak ass Americans/Europeans are next. They're hate for Israel and Jews is all that stands between you and them. Let Israel destroy them. To punish them for their hate until they have nothing left but reconciliation. I realize there are moderates working towards stability in those countries, but they are too few. Let Israel wipe them out before your family becomes their target.

The Iron Dome also costs more per missile then the missiles that they are shooting down. It is much like how there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world and only 13.5 million or so Jewish people on the same planet. If there was a "war" between the two groups each Jewish person would have to kill 118 or so Muslims just break even. Technology helps out, but those are some staggering odds to go up against to say the least.

My guess is they have wonderful leaders just like we do and would prefer not to think about it like the majority of Americans.

I am still of the opinion that the best thing that humanity could do as a whole is to move everyone out of the area and to nuke the chit out of the land/material that is causing all these problems. WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THAT PIECE OF MATERIAL. What benefit does it provide to humanity? NONE. What problems does it cause? MANY.

No one is FORCING anyone to live there. You love to cause the VERY problems that you love to complain about. Why do so many Jewish people live peacefully in the U.S. without walls, barbed wire, etc.?

I have love for both of my brothers and the last thing I want to see is one of them kill the other or each other.

Avi who is full of hate? You spew hatered for arabs and are the part of the problem in Palestine.

The fence has two layers, is 20 feet high and is topped with razor wire. It also plunges several feet under the sand, so you can’t dig underneath it.

Hmmmmm,

Just imagine how high that fence would have to be if Islam wasn't such a "religion of peace"?

Why don't all those in the West Bank and Gaza move back to their land in Iran, Libya or wherever their Muslim brothers are and get the heck out of the land that God gave to the Israelis.

If I lived next door to people who kept shooting or throwing rocks at my family I would defend my family and my home even if I had to Nuke em!

Tired,

You are working on false information:

"What benefit does it provide to humanity? NONE." - wrong, much of the technology you use has been invented in Israel, do some research.

"No one is FORCING anyone to live there." - wrong again, Israel was created because for 2000 years if has been in fashion all over the world to exclude/oppress/exterminate Jews. Google "pogroms".

"My guess is they have wonderful leaders just like we do and would prefer not to think about it like the majority of Americans." - on the contrary, they can not afford to think about anything else, since they have been attacked non-stop, every since the country was recreated (after being destroyed for the second time).

"Why do so many Jewish people live peacefully in the U.S. without walls, barbed wire, etc.?" -because a nation from an allied state is always a lot more welcome than a nation with no state, US was not always so welcoming to Jews.

"You love to cause the VERY problems that you love to complain about." - now that's the most interesting one of all, so we love being chase through villages with pitchforks, or being fried extra crispy?

Sorry to disappoint you, we don't, and as long as Christians and Muslims keep trying to do such things to us, we will fight back. Israel is our only defense, so we will keep using it to the fullest, and those of us who don't live in Israel will keep supporting it the best we can.

I certainly hope Mr. Hope and Change grovels appropriately before the leaders of Israel. For the last thirty or so years that's one of the indispensable things that every president has to do.

Eulogy israeli Foreign Minister (and former general), Moshe Dayan delivered for a Jew killed by Arabs on the Gaza border in 1956: "Let us not heap accusations on the murderers," he said. "How can we complain about their deep hatred for us? For eight years they have been sitting in the Gaza refugee camps, and before their very eyes, we are possessing the land and the villages where they and their ancestors have lived. We are the generation of colonizers, and without the steel helmet and the gun barrel we cannot plant a tree and build a home."

In April 1969, Dayan told the Jewish newspaper Ha'aretz: "There is not one single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.

"...Because of the Holocaust, "anti-Semitism" is such a powerful instrument of emotional blackmail that it effectively pre-empts rational discussion of Israel and its conduct. It is for this reason that many good people can witness daily evidence of Israeli inhumanity toward the "Palestinians' collective punishment," destruction of olive groves, routine harassment, judicial prejudice, denial of medical services, assassinations, torture, apartheid-based segregation, etc. -- yet not denounce it for fear of being branded "anti-Semitic." To be free to acknowledge Zionism's racist nature, therefore, one must debunk the calumny of "anti-Semitism." "

For any nation, corrupt, stupid, and or arrogant rulers/leaders are enemies within.

Here I strongly feel that Israel should watch out for the nut case Netanyahu and his gang.

They played dirty games in starting Iraqi wars making most dangerous oil rich Sunni rulers winners against Saddam.

What did Israel gain in the end with Iraqi wars?

Even in Syria and Iran the same evil gangsters are playing dirty games.

Iran can get nukes from Pakis.

Israel should keep away from Shiites vs Sunni battles if Jews have some brains.

Maybe we should have Israel build our border fences since the United States just cant seem to get them built.

It seems like Israel is not being destroyed by political correctness like we are. If they see a problem with people coming illegally into their country, they put up a fence and then shoot them if they try to climb over or under it. I am beginning to think we should send our people over there to see how it is done. Israel has a large guest workers program, the people come into country are kept track of and leave when they are supposed to or they are forcefully removed. They do not supply free medical and do not put them on any social service programs, if you wish to come there you better contribute and not be a burden or leave. And the ones that are using the system they are now talking about stopping that, no more excuses why you can not work or do your duty to the country anymore.

another day in the useless life of Pigotry, but what else do old ball-less liberals do.

Arch; If you really had any clue of history you would know that there is no such thing as a Palestinian nation. The leader of the PLO made up the Palestine thing and even admitted to it. He stated that we must create a new group of people and make them into martyrs so that we can get the sympathy of the west on our side!!!! The so called Palestinians are the gypsies and outcasts of the other muslim nations, they are not wanted in the other nations because the are the low lives of the middle east. If they want to live in their home land they need to go back to Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon and then they would be home!!!!!

This article failed to say why we are building a fence in the Sinai in the first place. It is only partly to keep terrorists out, but primarily, it is to keep thousands more of African migrants from crossing from Egypt into Israel. They bribe Bedouin smugglers who then imprison them in the desert and extort millions from them before releasing them and then they end up here. (The women are usually raped and pregnant by the time they are released). Thus, we end up taking them in and caring for them. These are Muslim Africans from Sudan and Somalia. They pose a serious security risk. We also have thousands of Eritreans and others from several African nations who are currently at war with their own people. Thanks to the stupidity of the UN, we are forced to take them in. So far, the fence has radically reduced this number and when it is finished, we won't need the new detention center the government has been forced to build. We are not keeping the Arab spring out. We believe that democracy is good for everyone and will create a stable and peaceful region. We are keeping terrorists out and the fence together with our deep security measures has been largely a success. If we were really just putting up fencing to keep arabs at bay, why are we taking in injured Syrians at the border in the Golan for medical treatment in Israel? No one is making us do it but we feel it is a humanitarian gesture which we believe speaks volumes about us and our society. These are arabs attacking other arabs of different religious sects and we have nothing to do with that. When the Palestinians quit inciting and carrying out violence against us, and I am including Abu Mazen in that remark, the fencing will come down.

Mubarak didn’t trust Hamas and kept them weak. In fact, during the previous, and far more severe, Gaza-Israel war in early 2009, Mubarak effectively helped Israel target Hamas by cutting off its border, denying escape and resupply routes.

Another reason why Obama wanted to get rid of him...bring on the muslim brotherhood. Now, who does he want to replace Assad????

Cities in this part of the world have historically been walled. This is certainly not just a current trend.

For those of you that use the term “nuke them” so freely, you’re obviously clueless just how nasty those weapons are! They turn solids into liquids, liquids into gases and gases into plasma in a blink of an eye while increasing levels of all sorts of bad things we don’t need world wide! And as soon as someone gets there panties in a knot and make’s the biggest mistake of mankind to light one of them off could trigger another and another until it wont really matter who’s left. They were a means to a change long ago but now there a means to and end in today’s world because of who has them and how many there are and growing! Be careful what you wish for!

I'm sure the Germans in 1942 would have loved something like the Gaza tunnel during their occupation of Warsaw. The abused has truly grown up to become a first class abuser.

Israel's influence has helped most of the world view the United States as Scott Farkus and Israel as Grover Dill. Grover starts the fights and promptly hides behind Scott Farkus who deals out the black eyes.

Frequently pundits like to point out that Israel "lives in a very tough neighborhood". Nobody denies that, but if you want to survive in a tough neighborhood it really helps NOT to be the biggest jerk on the block.

The unexamined mantra of "Israel has the right to defend itself" has been a complete disaster for American foreign policy. Personally I think it's pas time for Israel to stop trying to inject itself into the American political landscape (as if we don't have enough problems to deal with) and either learn how to get along with their neighbors -especially the Palestinians - or suffer the consequences of failing to do so. WITHOUT AMERICAN INVOLVEMENT.

Israel's statement "We have a right to defend ourselves" is really getting over used and distracts from the real problems. If Israel would stop killing Palestinian children, destroying their infrastructure, using Palestinians as slave labor, taking their natural resources and land, any one of these would make a society angry, they may be able to live without a wall.

Israel is a better place to live, especially for women than ANY mUSLIM NATION!!!!

If Israel were to become a completely muslim land the angry war mongering muslims would STILL BE ATTACKING everyone everywhere they live. The radical muslims are the equivalent of NAZIS.

Israel is a better place to live, especially for women than ANY mUSLIM NATION!!!!

If Israel were to become a completely muslim land the angry war mongering muslims would STILL BE ATTACKING everyone everywhere they live. The radical muslims are the equivalent of NAZIS.

Pretty broad-brush statement for somebody whose world view clearly illustrates they've never been to any other country - Muslim or otherwise. (Safe to say this waste of human flesh has probably never been more than 20 miles from where they were born)

@Dick - you are insane to beleive that. We used to have a muslim at my workplace. I had to work on his computer one time. It was stock full of anti israel propaganda stating how israel would kill arab children and drink their blood amoung other idiotic things. This is the kind of brainwashing the arab kids get to grow up with and is sickening. I never read of isreal launching an offensive strike, rather they always seem to be responding to arab jackasses that start the offensive by lobbing bombs into israel. Funny how that declined since we went into Iraq which by the way, I was completely against.

Eli 100 and ArchStanton, and those that think like you two, you had better change your views now and you had better change them quickly, too. Eli 100, when you denigrate Christians in general for trying to do what the Scriptures command in becoming allies with your country, then not only are you bringing curses upon yourselves for rejecting the help of Yahweh but you are also blaspheming Him with the gesture and you are blaspheming Him all the more for the rejecting of Yeshua, you are hurting your fellow believers in Yahweh, and you are also losing from a common sense point of view when you shoot yourselves in the foot to spite your face, or more accurately, to save your face. You had better repent and you had better repent now or Yahweh will read the riot act to you for rejecting His Word. However, as for you, ArchStanton, I have heard of your kind of talk and it is people that are like you that pretend that they are peaceful when they are simply Nazis or other kinds of evil New World Order-backed disinformation agents that love to corrupt and make false competitive streams of information to mislead people that need to know the REAL truth of what is happening in the world, and, in this case, the Middle East. Yes, some people have sold out their Hebraic roots for their proverbial thirty pieces of silver, including the people that had founded the modern form of the nation of Israel, but Yahweh predicted and allowed for this country to exist and I, as a moderately intelligent human being, will allow it to exist as a single state not because of its hyperaggressive, technologically advanced, well-informed, and well-armed military forces, rather, I will do so because the Scriptures promote blessings to the people that allow the nation of Israel to exist and it places far more curses on people that fail to help out this nation. Furthermore, the concept of common sense tells me that a Being that, despite some people calling Him a figment of my imagination (never mind that they are simply sore losers who are having sour grapes because their own religions and anti-religions are inferior, knock-off fairy tales of their own that are simply not selling as well as the competition), is infinitely more powerful than myself and I would honestly like to be on the good side of that Being if it means anything to you people. I do not hate Jews, Muslims, or anyone else. I only judge people by the content of their character and their actions towards myself and I will lash out on anyone, and I mean ANYONE, that acts less than civil on me, that wants to kill me, and that wishes to do myself harm, and those people that wish to do the same things to my friends and my loved ones, period, and no exceptions to the rule. I do not care if you are from the left, right, middle, or the fringe of the spectrum or what gender, skin tone, or religion (and yes, this also includes the anti-religious crowd as well as psuedo-scientists) you are, I will tell you that you are all on notice and you will be dealt with fairly, justly, swiftly, and, if it is necessary, harshly, too.

Thetruthteller

I find it interesting that after reading your post above, The amusing thing is that I find very little difference between what you wrote and what I hear fanatic Muslim extremists preach! You both use religion to hide behind while preaching your own brands of hate and intolerance. You both are absolutely convinced that only your religious views are relevant in this world.You have the unmitigated gall to call yourself a "moderately intelligent human being". From my point of view, you are just another run of the mill ultra conservative right wing Christian religious fanatic. To me, people like you are just an dangerous as extremist Muslim fanatics. You try to push your views on to others and throw a childish temper tantrum if someone does not agree with you. I am not anti-religious. Whatever views I have I keep to myself and do not push anything on others. I ask the same in return. As you say, I will consider myself to be on notice and that I will be dealt with. BUT NOT BY YOU! That is strictly and solely between whatever deity I believe in and myself. Have a nice evening.

YOUR COMMENT:

"...Technology does not work against religious fanatics with bomb belts under their coats. This is jungle warfare and the fence will not be a long term solution. The killing has gone on for 2000 years and will continue with self perpetuation..........."

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MY COMMENT:

I quite disagree that technology does not work against religious fanatics,
you just have to be willing to DO WHAT'S NECESSARY to fix the problem.

I was AND AM a Great Admirer of President Ronald Reagan and his Star Wars
(SDI - Strategic Defence Initiative) and his message and vision INSPIRED ME
to go into such high technology science fields such as Strong Artificial Intelligence,
advanced Multi-Spectral Vision Recognition Systems, and High Performance
fully autonomous vehicle and flight systems.

In fact as of TODAY, I feel the SDI vision has been largely completed and
needs only implementation of the technologies we already have!

We can create systems that would be impenetrable WALLS of fully autonomous
sentry guns and audio and image recognition system that will all by themselves
decide who or what passes or what gets destroyed. Since the sentry machines
are TIRELESS 24/7/365 soldiers and border guards, they win PERIOD! and the
problem of suicide bombers trying to get in is SOLVED!

In fact, on my desktop is a pretty decent (but less than $10,000) hardware
system running code I've developed that can FIND, HUNT, TRACK, RECOGNIZE,
CATEGORIZE and then TARGET and initiate FIRE CONTROL on 65,000+ objects
PER SECOND!!!! Think of that...with ONE COMPUTER, attached to a 6000 rounds
per second .50 CAL Phalanx-style turret gun I can fight and DEFEAT an army of
65,000 personnel in less than a few seconds!

Using both pure image recognition attached to large object databases
I can do IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) and then use the Fuzzy Logic
software( i.e. Expert System A.I) to INFER intentions based upon a target's
walking or running gait, automatic recognition of weapons and the direction
they're pointing at AND use Multi-spectral 3D-XYZ radar/lidar/acoustic imaging
to create a MASSIVE 3D bitmap that contains and highlights spatial relationships
between targets so that he fuzzy logic system can autonomously decide to tag
targets that I can let alone or have killed by the fire-control system.

In fact, with a THOUSAND such systems, I could defeat an army of MILLIONS in
less than a minute or two...and with sampling rates in excess of 10,000 to 100,000
2D-XY or 3D-XYZ frames per second, I could extend that protection to targets such
as planes and missiles that have incoming velocities of many thousands of miles per hour.

My software WORKS....I'VE PROVEN IT! I just need a decent fire-control system that
can handle data rates in excess of 10 to 20 GIGABYTES PER SECOND (i.e. Fibre)...
SO I BEG TO DIFFER that technology CAN'T HANDLE THE JOB ---- IT CAN!!!!!!

Kinda scary that the Terminator Scenario is basically here NOW!

George-3715504-(Israel is not "the Jewish state")

Actually you are incorrect sir. In late November1947, Jewish settlements in Palestine, were attacked by Arabs, who were massacring many, totally unprovoked. With the British beginning to give help in the spring the following year also. Despite orders from the United Nations to cease. Beginning in May, over a period of six days of fighting, the Jews, despite being out numbered fought back driving out the Arabs. Finally gaining recognition from the U.N. Who ordered the British out. And it was made a Israeli Jewish Nation on May 14 1948. Which they are STILL to this day.

So you stating they are not a Jewish nation is NOT true. It is both a State recognized nation, and a recognized religious homeland for anyone who is of the Tribes of Israel. Not just the tribe of Judah. Anyone else who wishes to live there, including Christian, Muslim or pagan is welcome.

In addition,America was actually founded on freedom for others to choose their way of living. We do not have the right to tell anybody how to govern themselves.If basic human rights are being met.It does not matter what religion they believe, what race, ethnic identity, etc. Otherwise let's look what you propose doing in real life.

According to you, we should not be supportive of Israel because it is a Jewish State and doesn't act like we do.(true, we go to war more)We would not be supportive of Japan because they are Japanese (ethnicity)and look at the mess it is causing to nature,radiation, hiding the damage, China, look its communism, and all the damaged goods we end up having to send back,and inhumane treatment to its people, oh and they are all Chinese(race) America is very worried about this! Then there is Ireland, the Catholic problem(religion), we should just dump them for fighting, instead of being supportive. Get the picture?Nations all over have problems, while we still support them.

We are all different, and every country has the right to govern itself by its own principals, culture, etc. America is steeped in respecting such things.If we dumped those who we support because they have issues, who would we stand by?Then there is our own standards and morals. What happens when we fail to live by our own? Don't allow others to express their religion and silence them. When anything including corruption reaches the highest offices in the country? The measuring tool is no longer valid to apply to any country, let alone our own. Then, I fear we are lost indeed.Blind, deaf, to criticize anyone.

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#29 - Wed Mar 20,

windancer...it is nice to see someone post something in a polite manner without all the name calling that some people resort too...I understand them getting mad...but think you are the example of what debate is all about. Would say the same thing about George in his post..and some of you others..

@Frank if only people would listen to reason or logic I would not even have to be here posting. I could be out enjoying my life instead of trying to educate people. 9 times out of 10 someone has already opened up their mouth by posting some B.S. and has already proved themselves to be "wrong". If you fail to comprehend, are stupid, are paid by someone to promote a certain ideal THEN I AM FORCED TO RAISE MY VOICE TO MAKE A POINT. If only there were not so many people starving, suffering, being oppressed, being kicked out of their homes, etc. in the world then I could be more civil, but people are dying. Maybe you should actually "care" and do something about it.

It is like there are a bunch of children talking while I am trying to teach. A good teacher will raise their voice, slam something, etc. all to get their attention. They will beat the information into your head regardless of if you want to learn it or not. Complain all you want about how "hard" of a teacher I am, but I get the job done.

If you have a point, you will be able to explain it without raising your voice, and if you are not getting your point across it's because your arguments are not convincing,and they will remain unconvincing even if you shout at the top of your lungs.

Tired...your self righteous and self indignant attitude is quite a turn off. Who are you to be educating people...you are typing on a keyboard...like a fish in a pond who maybe see something they want to eat...then read your post. Get of your A$$ and really do something if you really feel your teaching a bunch of children maybe you should go to the Disney blog and truly attract the attention and audience you deserve.

MAYBE YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND NOT BE TYPING ON SOME WORTHLESS DISTRACTION OF A BLOG?? Really man...tone down the ego a bit Mr. Super Too Smart. You CANT convince anyone you can only inform people of your opinion and let them be the judge if they are educated from the information you provide.

Being wrong is just a part of the journey to being enlightened and understanding truth...whatever that is at the time.

Good walls make for good neighbors, as the old saying goes.

"Hamas supporters routinely chant that one day they will destroy Israel and that Palestinians will return to their homes where Jews now live."

1. Whatever Jews of Israel want to do, they should do them quietly unlike trying to compete with N. Korea's Kim Jong Un.

2. For Hamas and other anti-Israel Islamic hating and killing groups, Godfathers are oil rich Sunni rulers led by House of Saud, Qatar and others. Here Sunnis are as dangerous as Shiites.

3. Israel should not take sides in Sunnis vs Shiites battles. Just needs to keep away. There is nothing better than enemies fighting each other.

4. When Shiites and Sunnis battle each other, quietly Israel should clean Hamas, Fatah and others.

Tired-2176559 - you give yourself too much credit. No one asked you to "teach".

@ArchStanton, As in the unmarked grave next to Arch Stanton ?

kind of like occupy wall street

It is the hot, arid stench of the unwashed that not even " Irish Spring," can wash away.

the last thing Israel would do is look to the US for tips on secure borders.Obama should take notes on how it's done while he's there.

@OC

Exactly, the zionists just shoot first and don't ask questions later. Nice people in their walled compound.

You think they'd be better off to open their borders?

Implacable, what would you say the Zionists options are? Let the hordes overrun you, lay down and let the animals stomp you into the ground?

The Israelis obviously don't agree with you.

Let me get this right, we let the illegal aliens overrun us and destroy our schools and social welfare system yet we pay for Israel to be secure. We are being invaded from the south and politicians from both parties did nothing to stop it and everything to encourage it with the benefits package of free housing, medical care, food etc.... via the 6 anchor babies and the 100k a year tax free they get. Since when was Israel more important than the US. "If you want to know who rules over you find out who it is that you may not criticise". Voltaire

Did any Mexican illegals blow themselves up in your restaurant?

It doesn't take bombs to defeat a nation. The Mexican invasion is just as dangerous to our culture and our way of life as a sovereign country.

US is built on a mix of cultures, it should be able to absorb one more just fine.

In case of Mexico is not the immigration itself, but the fact that it's illegal, that could be solve easily with a proper wall on the border, it would not cost that much, and it would not require shooting anyone.

We are not doing it just because corporations who profit on cheap labor of illegals keep blocking it.

That's the cause of the problem and it has nothing to do with Israel or any other foreign aid.

Just think of the cost /benefit ratio. Last year, America spent 1 billion dollars on Israel's "Iron Dome". Obama just promised another 250 million. This system stops largely unguided, primitive rockets, that cause minimal destruction and almost no kills. I doubt whether more than a few dozen Jews have been killed by the thousands of rockets which have been fired over the past 5 years.

It is doubtful that 1000 Israelis would have ever be killed by those rockets in the next 10 years, were there no "Iron Dome". The money spent will end up equating to over 1.25 million dollars for each Israeli Jew life saved in that 10 year period and most probably more, because at the previous rate, it would take Hamas about 40 years to kill 1000 Israelis with rocket attacks.

America would be better served saving American lives from sickness and poverty, than sending money to those parasites in Israel.

America certainly didn't give a s--t about those 1000 Lebanese lives snuffed out by Israeli war planes. Lebanon has no "Iron Dome". Lebanon doesn't even have one weapon capable of shooting down an F16. Doesn't Lebanon have a right to protect themselves? Lebanon doesn't want Israeli land or water, but Israel has it's greedy eyes on Lebanese land, water and off shore energy deposits. They want to make sure Lebanon has no means to fight back, when the taking begins again.

What makes a Jew life more valuable than a Lebanese Christian or Muslim life?

One real tragedy, is the land on which those rockets land, should still belong to the Arabs. It was taken from them illegally. Read below:

"For eight
years now, they have sat in the refugee camps of Gaza and have watched how,
before their very eyes, we have turned their lands and villages, where they and
their forefathers previously dwelled, into our home." General Moshe Dayan,
Israeli military hero - 1956

Yah know the wisdom is if somebody shoots at you and misses...just let them keep shooting. Great argument Ralph= EPIC FAIL

I am so sick of Israeli's calling everyone an anti-semite if they criticize Israel.

There was no mention of antisemites on this particular thread, but since you want to bring it up, I'll be happy to explain to you.

Criticizing Israel does not make you an antisemite, but if you are praising terrorist organizations (like Hamas and Hezbollah), condemning Israel for self-defense (thus implying that them being killed is not a bad thing), listing idiotic conspiracy theories that include accusations not even against Israeli government, but against Jewish nation, and twisting information into pretzel to build a case against Israel's very existence, then yes you are an antisemite, and a stupid one at that.

Americans are well aware of the Holocaust and those of us who served in Americas armed forces were disgusted that the Nazis could try to eliminate a whole race of people. I've been to Bergen-Belsen concentration camp in Northern Germany and outside the camp the birds are singing. When you enter the camp no wildlife is heard. Even the animals know something bad happened here. had Germany won the war Americans could have suffered the same fate.

Ron- I've visited Israel and all religious groups are respected by the Israelis. My second day in Israel the palestinians were firing missiles into southern Israel killing innocent Israeli civilians. The day after my Jerusalem tour a Palestinian gunman entered a Jewish seminary and opened fire and killed 17. Your post shows your lack of knowledge of the world which I have travelled. The Israelis only want peace and most people who visit Israel leave with a respect for the country of Israel and its people.

you dont need to go without, get off your assss and earn it.

"I used to have a great apt. 30 years ago."...which you left of your own volition.

The people who call themselves "Palestinians" were pushed out of other Arab states because they were troublemakers. They wandered around in the desert and called it home but they never did anything to improve that land, nor did they establish a government and set down roots. They are rogue Arabs that other Arabs wanted nothing to do with. It was only after the Jews returned to that land that these rogue Arabs decided to "organize" and start crying out for rights to their "homeland". Look at what the Jews and other Israeli citizens have done to improve the desert home they inherited. It is an oasis. The rogue Arabs had no aspirations to really build anything out of that desert until they saw what Israel did with it. Now the rogue Arabs want it for themselves. If they had really wanted a homeland, they would have built it long ago. And now they are the pawns of the same Arabs that tossed them out of their real homelands. They are rogue terrorists being manipulated like puppets by Iran, Syria, and other terrorists. Israel certainly isn't beyond reproach in some of the things they have done over the years but the bottom line is that they have reacted to protect themselves from terrorists that are growing more organized and stronger and more deadly by the day as they gain support from other terrorist Arab and Muslim nations. Israel will prevail though - they always do.

dancer it is hard to make friends with people who live and breath with the desire to murder as many of your nation as they can!!!

Muslims are taught from birth to hate and they are taught to want death and destruction on the world and especially the jewish people....

People like you have no clue what you are talking about!!!!

Yep, what garrie said. You don't have a clue DancerTiffy.

It is difficult to put them on a map, becuase Israel will not define it's own borders. Israel plans to expand and expandin the years ahead. This is their cree. They plan to use American power to achieve their goals, at least in the short term. If they could, they would turn on us in a minute.

“The acceptance of partition does
not commit us to renounce Transjordan; one does not demand from anybody to give
up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today. But the
boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no
external factor will be able to limit them.” David Ben-Gurion, in 1936,
quoted in Noam Chomsky, “The Fateful Triangle.”

If you and your terrorist friends are so worried about Israel expanding, all you have to do is not attack Israel, then they will have no reason to expand.

Israelis were always willing to negotiate borders with Palestinians, but Palestinians insist on all-or-nothing approach, so they get nothing.

Yeah, Israel is expanding alright. Let me see, they all but destroyed the Eygptian Army in "73" taking the Sinia. Later, to curtail attacks from Leabonon from the 5th column of Iran, better known as Hezbollah, they held onto the southern portion of Leabonon for a time and later withdrew, as they did in the Sinia. Yes, history records that Israel is expanding, even by giving up the Gaza Strip. If that is expanding it sounds like a pretty bad strategy.

impicable; the entire world does not recognize Palestine as a nation and only the muslim controlled UN thinks it is!!!! Why don't you tell everyone how yasser Arafat made up the name of palestine so that he could get the sympathy of the west in the hopes of pushing the jewish people into the ocean and to their death. Why don't you tell everyone how the leaders of Israel have on multiple occasions tried to give the PLO everything they wanted to try and get peace and how it was thrown back in their face. The muslims that call themselves palestenians are not worth the time of day. they have had multiple opportunities to end this and have a nation and they do not want it, all they care about is death and destruction, they are the typical muslims who have been taught from birth to hate and desire destruction!!!

Welcome to the Apartheid State of Israel. In 15 years (more or less), the Arabs will out number them in Israel and they will have no choice. They will not allow a one vote democracy and they will apply what they learned from their former friend (South Africa aka Nazi Jr). No wonder the new Govt slaps tariffs on Israeli goods coming out of the occupied West Bank. The funny part is that Israel thinks that they ANC led Govt should forgive them. I don't think that will be happening no time soon.

Big Curt - You don't know what you are talking about.

What happened after the 1967 war ended?

“In violation of international law,
Israel has confiscated over 52 percent of the land in the West Bank and 30
percent of the Gaza Strip for military use or for settlement by Jewish
civilians...From 1967 to 1982, Israel’s military government demolished 1,338
Palestinian homes on the West Bank. Over this period, more than 300,000
Palestinians were detained without trial for various periods by Israeli
security forces. “Intifada: The Palestinian Uprising Against Israeli
Occupation,” ed. Lockman and Beinin.

World opinion on the legality of Israeli control of the West Bank and Gaza.

“Under the UN Charter there can
lawfully be no territorial gains from war, even by a state acting in
self-defense. The response of other states to Israel’s occupation shows a
virtually unanimous opinion that even if Israel’s action was defensive, its
retention of the West Bank and Gaza Strip was not...The [UN] General Assembly
characterized Israel’s occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as a denial of self
determination and hence a ‘serious and increasing threat to international peace
and security.’ “ John Quigley, “Palestine and Israel: A Challenge to
Justice.”

Israel started the 1967 war, specifically to gain land.

“The former Commander of the Air
Force, General Ezer Weitzman, regarded as a hawk, stated that there was ‘no
threat of destruction’ but that the attack on Egypt, Jordan and Syria was
nevertheless justified so that Israel could ‘exist according the scale, spirit,
and quality she now embodies.’...Menahem Begin had the following remarks to
make: ‘In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian Army concentrations in
the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We
must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.’“ Noam Chomsky,
“The Fateful Triangle.”

Was the 1967 war defensive?

“I do not think Nasser wanted war.
The two divisions he sent to The Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch
an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.” Yitzhak Rabin, Israel’s Chief
of Staff in 1967, in Le Monde, 2/28/68

“Moshe Dayan, the celebrated
commander who, as Defense Minister in 1967, gave the order to conquer the
Golan...[said] many of the firefights with the Syrians were deliberately
provoked by Israel, and the kibbutz residents who pressed the Government to
take the Golan Heights did so less for security than for the farmland...[Dayan
stated] ‘They didn’t even try to hide their greed for the land...We would send
a tractor to plow some area where it wasn’t possible to do anything, in the
demilitarized area, and knew in advance that the Syrians would start to shoot.
If they didn’t shoot, we would tell the tractor to advance further, until in
the end the Syrians would get annoyed and shoot.

And then we would use artillery and
later the air force also, and that’s how it was...The Syrians, on the fourth
day of the war, were not a threat to us.’” The New York Times, May 11, 1997

MEMRI.ORG is a pretty good middle east info site..

Just a bunch of haters that hate religion, Israel, Christians and pick a fight with those wherever they can.

Israel is one of their biggest targets and man the anti-Jews really turn out for any article mentioning Israel.

Hitler would be proud, satan is almost out of a job...

Yes, the Israeli are having a wonderful life, and great healthcare system. Americans are paying for that wonderful life, including their healthcare system, while cutting back on our own needs. We can't have a healthcare system like that of Israel. We are paying for 2 wars of choice for Israel and in debt up to our ears.

Why is Obama and our politicians sending billions to the parasites?

Radical islamist ralph -

You try so hard to draw a wedge between israelis and Americans by playing on that "they have healthcare but we don't" non sense.

I told you what the solution to your problem is - get off public assistance, get a job, pay your taxes, get benefits - IF you are in the US and not posting this garbage from Tehran, in which case I understand perfectly why you don't have healthcare.

A friend of mine just returned from a visit in Israel. He said a new Christian condominium developement had just been built. It was all set to go, but they couldn't get the Israelis to hook up the utilities. They won't do it, because it isn't for Jews. It just sits there idle.

That sure sounds a lot more terrifying than churches burnt down in Egypt, doesn't it?

What a piece of garbage. Ralph has been posting this same story for a year now that his "friend JUST returned from Israel". Utilities are not hooked up because they are not jews????? They are not like Iranians denying everything to all religions but fundamentalist fanatical muslims.

I agree completely with your statement, as long as Israel builds those walls and fences at the border that was agreed upon over 60 years ago.

Then the arabs should have agreed to it 60 years ago, and should not have attacked Israel over and again. Can't go gambling, lose then cry to get your money back.

Israel is in violation of international law. It is illegal to keep lands gained from war.

Then tell Russia to return Kaliningrad to Germany and Kuril Islands to Japan.

Also, tell US government to return Southern Texas and Southern California to Mexico.

Well said.

Sounds great. Let's revert to times before international convention was accepted. Canada is now French Territory. The USA will be divided among the French, Spanish and English. Mexico is once again the property of Spain. The Middle East is once again part of the Roman Empire controlled by Italy. Why stop there, let's give control of the former Roman Empire to the Vatican..

In case you weren't aware, current international law was agreed upon at the end of World War 2. If you want to redefine those boundaries, you are asking for World War 3.

I agree with farideh, to the spoils of war goes the victor. ShadyJ, if Israel had lost any of those wars the only place for them to have gone would have been the sea.

shady is the typical hater that always tries to go with the lie the borders were agreed upon 60 years ago. That is not true. The borders were changed multiple times and there has never been an actual agreement on the borders. Since it is the muslims who attacked Israel, and the muslims who refuse to accept the borders, they gave up the land they lost in the wars they started and that is the way it works. If you want to start changing borders then all borders need to be looked at not just the ones around Israel!!! If you want to get picky then all of Jerusalem should be given to Israel since it was their capital before and then we should tear down the dome and let the jews put their temple back up.

Lets also remember where the so called palestenian people came from and how they were made up by the PLO in order to get sympathy from people like shady who have no clue of what is really going on!!!

Garrie is the typical poster with no argument and reverts to name calling. If you are saying I am an Israeli hater you are wrong. If you are saying I am a Palestinian hater, you are wrong. The borders were actually agreed upon by the international community when both nations, Palestine and Israel, were created. Neither nation was recognized prior to the resolution and the borders of that resolution have not been changed by anyone other than Israel. Both religions lay claim to Jerusalem, which is why it was agreed to be under UN administration so that neither can control it but both can access it.

Could be worse if they listened to the Obama Doctrine and believed it

The "zionist supremacist state" protected our family (we are not whites and we are not jews) from persecution by radical muslim dictators - until we were safe enough to leave. I am glad you were not in charge.

The ones who cannot survive are the Liberal entitlement crowd sucking hind Tit on the Government instead of relying on themselves

farideh - You should have gone to Israel. They would have treated you as you should be treated.

And so would US, no matter how hard the likes of Ralph would call against it.

eli100 goes back to Russia,

farideh goes back to Iran

We are not the only ones protecting them. Read your bible.

heinrich goes back to nazi germany.

Ignorant ralph - We WERE in Israel - that is how our human rights were protected aganist your Iranian murderes. We escaped your bloody hands you murderer pedophile corrupt radical mullah.

Sorry buddy, Nazi germany does not exist. No way to go back.

Iran well exists and welcomes its ex-patriates even though they betrayed the nation and become the mouthpieace of the zionist regime.

When it comes to integrity, an Iranian mullah is more trustworthy than nittyahoo.

Farideh Most of these anti Jewish posters are Muslims trying to act like they are mainstream Americans. Most Americans understand what is really happening and have a care for the Jewish people. They protected you and they have shown extraordinary patience with the people who call themselves Palestinians. A big war is coming and I hope you are in a safe place. Pray Farideh that God protects the Jews and Christians and pray that the Muslims who causing so much suffering in the world will stop this violence before it is too late for them. Pray for the gentle Muslims who truly want peace that they too will be spared. I will pray for you and your families safety. Your friend FFF

Farideh Kashanian

excellent point very well put.

And YOU are a lying zionist trying to pass for someone else.

The building of a wall around Gaza is to subjugate and enslave the inhibitants inside.

The name "fight for freedom" is mis-used and abused by someone other than fighting for freedom.

Absolutely, and keep the criminals of the Mexican cartel, the illegals that go with the turf, and the leftists who hate the US, outside the wall.

Why are Dumb FUX NEWS fans so evil?

we need to station our troops at our border to the south instead of wasting cash on on other countries

Jimmy carter who planted that cute phrase for you received $7 million from the Saudis for his Atlanta library, and then he wrote the book. Go figure.

Apartheid? What kind of government does Gaza have? how about Iran? Iraq? Syria? Tunesia? Saudia Arabia?Lebanon? Egypt? Jordan? Why do people not call them apartheid dictatorships? People have no rights there. Religion has no place there unless your a muslim. Christians and Jews are killed and their property and land is stolen. In 1948, Jews were stripped of their citizenship and expelled from Arab lands, over 850,000 Jewish refugees were taken in by Israel. Supposely 500,000 Arabs Refugees fled but 160,000 Arabs stayed in Israel and accepted full citizenship. Today there are 1.25 million Arabs living in Israel with full rights and citizenship. They even have their own political parties. The Arabs who fled Israel were never given citizenship by ANY Arab country even though they were told to leave Israel by the Arabs leaders.

Have you ever heard of Jewish refugee camps? Of course not that is because the Jewish refugees were welcomed and absorbed by Israel or other nations. Why after 65 years are the Arab refugees not welcomed or absorbed by Arab nations? How could their numbers grow from 500,000 to 5 million? Attempts to resettle the Arab refugees were blocked by a variety of discriminatory laws enacted by Arab countries, such as a ban on receiving citizenship, with the exception of Jordan. Blocking them from owning property, entering different professions, restriction on movement, and a denial of heath care and education.

Sir Alex Galloway, a former director of the UN resettlement agency in Jordan gave the reason for this discrimination: QUOTE " The Arab nations do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore... as a weapon against Israel.

Joe Yes the Arabs do want to keep it an open sore and a weapon against the Jewish people. The reason why the people who call themselves Palestinian grew from 500,000 to five million is simple their women have as many children as they can even if they can not support them properly. Where Israel took aid and built a strong defense and infrastructure the people in Palestine invested in leaders who kept the money for themselves or used it to fund terrorist organizations. Where Israel built water desalination plants and made a garden out of a desert the people in Palestine complained about everyone but their own leaders who were cheating them of the funds sent to help them. While the Jews have maintained a population and supported birth rate growth with their ingenuity and hard work the people in Palestinehave played the pity card held their hands out of a handout and have not practiced responsible birth rate growth. I do feel sympathy for the children in this place they call Palestine because they are being raised by parents who will raise them to be terrorists. The hatred they are teaching their children will one day come back to haunt them in this life or the next.

the truth hurts the anti-Israel crowd, thus they are deniers.

The truth hurts the pro-zionist crowd.

Whenever MSNBC publishes something about Israel, they give it a title with an anti-Israel undertone, but the peace itself is usually not anti-Israel, but more-or-less balanced, sometimes even pro-Israel. I guess this back-and-forth approach is what draws the crowd in most.

In this case, I wouldn't even call the title biased, see as lately "the Arab Spring" has lost all the positive ring.