Tech development, the original idea was probably American. A long time ago to most of you, this country got the bright idea to think up something and not develop it, but to sell it to someone else and let them bear the expense of development. what a concept you also sell any jobs it creates and profit after development and marketing. The idea of a car that runs on water I heard of back in the 80s in an article with an American Scientist. The Liquid Screen on gameboys and such, American idea and partly developed and sold to the Japanese.

I agree. Israel is a nation full of VERY intelligent people. I just can't figure out why they can't figure out PEACE.

hey casual isreal can figure out how to have peace with the arabs in the west bank it's just that the radioactive overspray would kill them to.

I just can't figure out why they can't figure out PEACE.

Where have you been? It's not Israel that can't figure out PEACE, it's their psycho neighbors that don't want PEACE.

chefaz-1319563

The energy industry has become the engine of the world. If anyone were ever able to come up with an idea to make it free, that engine would stall. Imagine how many peoples jobs would no longer be necessary. From every oil company and worker down to the gas station attendant, utility worker, country that derives its revenue from it, to every country that pegs its currency to a petro dollar, would be devastated.

I think we would be talking about a few billion people.

You are right Chef!

Check it out!!

http://israel21c.org/technology/israels-top-45-greatest-inventions-of-all-time-2/

Now what have the muslims contributed?

Death and destruction!

Fed up

Actually, it is quite interesting when you look at star maps how many stars have Arabic names. Original navigation charts were also from the region. So at one point they yearned for a higher purpose. Now that most of their population can't even read their masses rely on their leaders for knowledge, which has lead to regression.

Sound familiar over here?

CasualUStaxpayer - FYI

Nobel Peace Prize - Muslims 3, Jews 9

1.4 billion Muslims (20% of world population) - there are 6 Nobel Prize Winners

12 million Jews (0.2% of world population) - there are 165 Nobel Prize Winners

What tech inventions did isreal come up with that are helping us? pray tell. They live on American tech, not the other way around. Isreal has been nothing but a thorn with no rose. Time for them to stop their shenanigans.

FedupwithFed....Correct on Islamic death and destruction. And what does Obama do?? Sends NASA Officials on a "Feel Good " Mission through the Islamic World trying to convince them how GREAT and CONTRIBUTORY they have been to the rest of the world??? Yeh.....IN CREATING METHODS OF WREAKING DEATH AND DESTRUCTION!!!

What tech inventions did isreal come up with that are helping us?

George PaulJohn:

http://www.forbes.com/2003/12/22/1222campillpinnacor_ii.html

Camera pill made easy to swallow. Gavriel Iddan is an Israeli electro-optical engineer is the inventor of wireless capsule endoscopy i.e pill camera.

I wish you were more aware of tech inventions before you began shooting your mouth off!

georgepauljohn - No Ringo?

You asked about Israeli inventions helping us. Here are just a few:

The USB flash drive was invented by Dov Moran in 1998 in Israel at a company called M-Systems. IBM later manufactured it in the United States.

Before Twitter and Facebook, there was ICQ. This early instant-messaging program — aptly named “I seek you” — was developed by Yossi Vardi at Mirabilis Ltd. ICQ catapulted the popularity of instant messaging and was sold to AOL for more than $400 million.

Developed by Argo Medical Technologies of Israel, ReWalk is a light suit with motors at the joints, offering greater mobility to people with spinal injuries or diseases. Users choose a motion — standing, sitting, or taking steps — by remote control.

Technology that can open a computer file and send it directly to a printer was developed by Tel Aviv-based Indigo in the 1990s, allowing companies to print without blocks and plates. Hewlett-Packard acquired Indigo for $720 million.

Copaxone, a revolutionary drug treatment for multiple sclerosis, was the first Israeli drug approved by the FDA, in 1996. The drug was developed by Michael Sela at the Weizmann Institute of Science, Rehovot, and is manufactured by Teva Pharmaceuticals.

IsightTec, a company based in Haifa, has developed ExAblate, a system that ultrasounds the body and thermally eliminates certain types of tumors, providing treatment in a noninvasive manner. The FDA approved the technology in 2004.

As if some of the technology developed in the U.S isn't invented by Jews.....

Why don't you Google it ? (Google invented by a Jew) and post your results (TCP/IP protocol to connect to the internet....invented by a Jew)

Alim.....adding to the contribution list....just think how much revenue has been generated by the movie and all the plays just on "Fiddler on the Roof" alone?....Eh?.....The cash cow that keeps on giving!

and obama says---Iran the deficit over 170000000000000000000000 can i have 40 acres and a mule over here.

so True

I agree. Israel is a nation full of VERY intelligent people. I just can't figure out why they can't figure out PEACE.

Obama took an extra 747 to Israel just to carry the speechwriters and his teleprompter.

That's it OBAMA, keep diggin' in the fox hole, YOU FOOL!!!

The 1% super Mega Rich Jews in America support the 18 Billion that Israel gets in foreign assistance every year so they have a homeland to go back to when the U.S. goes bankrupt and down the toilet, very smart I would say, smarter than us !!!

Jarmoush - proof that the internet provides a forum for idiots to spout off. Tell me, if Israel stops shooting, will there be peace? How about if the Palestinians stop shooting? Very simple question, with a very clear answer.

At least they didn't throw a shoe at him like our idiot Bush II received.

“Talking to them, they weren’t that different from my daughters, they weren’t that different from your daughters or sons,” he said.

Seems everyone is related to Mr. Obama (Treyvon Martin).

The purpose of this trip is for what ? Mr. Obama just pulled out information from his previous campaign speeches.

But...."It is great to get away from Congress"....said Mr. Obama.

At least the Israel folks didn't throw any tomatoes at Mr. Obama.

CasualTaxpayer,

"Israel is a nation full of VERY intelligent people. I just can't figure out why they can't figure out PEACE."

Well perhaps you should look for the reason why on the other side or are you going to tell me that you would want to live with people who are out to ELIMINATE you not live WITH or NEXT TO you.

...

jimsepa....."stopfreeloaders, your anti-Obama rhetoric about teleprompters wasn't even clever a few years back, but really. Still?"

Better than Bush the Republicans did it.

Yep, the blame from this administration is ALWAYS on something or someone else. They cannot accept RESPONSIBILITY.

WOW....you were quick on collapsing your own comment.

Dick-2100935

At least they didn't throw a shoe at him like our idiot Bush II received

They only set on fire posters of Obama, set on fire the American flag and explode two rockets, you need more?

CasualTaxpayer,
"Israel is a nation full of VERY intelligent people. I just can't figure out why they can't figure out PEACE."

Well perhaps you should look for the reason why on the other side or are you going to tell me that you would want to live with people who are out to ELIMINATE you not live WITH or NEXT TO you.

Where have you been? It's not Israel that can't figure out PEACE, it's their psycho neighbors that don't want PEACE.

Yes...they suffer from the same problem we do. We have a small number of psychos who refuse to allow anything to get done in our country, too. Most Israelis and Palestinians figured out peace a long time ago. There's a small faction on both sides that keeps shooting and making sure that tensions are always escalated.

Yep, the blame from this administration is ALWAYS on something or someone else. They cannot accept RESPONSIBILITY.

You keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Well perhaps you should look for the reason why on the other side or are you going to tell me that you would want to live with people who are out to ELIMINATE you not live WITH or NEXT TO you.

When are you guys going to stop trying to propagate this myth of Palestinians and Arabs being unreasoning hordes hellbent on destruction of anything and everything Western? No one but the nuts believes you any more.

How did Obama get so many of the Jewish religion to vote for him in 2012? He clearly has no respect for Israel, the borders, or of the Jewish and Israeli people. How in the U.S. they would elect a man that was so much against them both as a person and as a religion is beyond me.

But one other point Mr. Obama, if you are so supported of people being held down by a government and believe the people should have their own country I might support that if you would allow some of us to create OUR own country, with dedicated borders, here in the U.S. to get away from a United States government that is keeping us from succeeding. Keeping us from prospering.

I would like US to have a lively debate. I also believe it would be good. I want a place where those who actually believe in the Constitution and believe in smaller government can run our own country. You certainly would support that wouldn't you? Fairness to the people? We conservatives will pitch in and buy 20,000 acres somewhere (Montana, Wyoming, Texas, Florida, Tennessee, etc.) and develop our own economy. You give us dedicated borders. Isn't that fair? Isn't that what you are saying? Don't you want us to have opportunities? Away from the restrictive regulations, federal departments, and federal laws that restrict our ability to succeed?

I would expect you to support the rights of conservatives as much as you respect the rights of Palestinians.

Reposted since the entire first topic was collapsed before I even posted it:

Old Timer-88224

In response to KC Bones and RedVirginia (#1.56 and 1.57)

Between the Babylonians, the Romans, and the Muslims, the Jews have been robbed of their most holy sites for nearly two thousand years. The Temple Mount in old Jerusalem is the site where God gathered dust to create Adam. It is the site of Abraham's binding of Isaac and the location of two Jewish temples. It is the Muslims who desecrated the site with the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock after their typically violent and murderous conquest of Jerusalem in 637 AD.

So, Israel has decided to take-out 1400 years of hatred including their hatred of the Nazis on a people who didn't deserve it? Funny how you omit older history, which says that Israel was a populated place when the Jews crossed the Red Sea coming from Egypt. What happened to those people?

So the Palestinians are terrorists? You know what? The Israelis are too. There is plenty of proof that the founders of Israel engaged in terrorist activities against the British and against the Palestinians before the UN, in their ultimate stupidity, gave the Jews land without being able to defend the land that they gave to the Palestinians. If Czechoslovakia hadn't donated a bunch of surplus Word War II arms to the Jews we might not have had this problem either.

Remember the King David Hotel incident? Was that a terrorist action? It was just one of dozens of actions by members of the Jewish Irgun and Stern gangs that killed both British and Palestinian citizens in the years leading-up to 1947. You talk about how many Jews lived in Israel before the 1947 UN Partition, and there are figures that your own government admits to that show in the late 1800s, immediately after World War I, and again in the 1930s that the number of Palestinians outnumbered the number of Jews by anywhere from 8-1 to 4-1, after the British government tolerated several decades of illegal Jewish immigration in addition to the allowed legal quotas. Even in 1947 there were more than twice as many Palestinians as there were Jews, after 10 more years of massive illegal Jewish immigration, so why should Israel have been given more than 1/3rd of the total land?

Actually, given the amount of land and property that the Jews in Palestine owned in 1945 the amount of land given to the creation of a Jewish state by UN and the British government was extremely generous. Tell me why Israel should have had any of the land in the southern part of the country, as there was no Jewish ownership of land there? Tell me why over a half-million Palestinians were ethnically-cleansed and driven from their homes by Jewish troops, homes and land that they had owned for hundreds of years, land that was not included in the UN Mandate? You don't view that as a genocidal action?

Remember the Jaffa Massacre, or the Lydda Massacre, in both cases where Palestinian civilians routed from their homes, their property was stolen, women and children were raped, and men and boys were murdered by the bus load by Jewish troops? Tell me how those actions were any different than what the Nazi's did to the Jews at Kiev? How about the Tantara Massacre or any of a several dozen other massacres of Palestinian civilians on land that was given to them by the UN Mandate? What the founders of Israel did was terrorism and then genocide. All of your early leaders are guilty. They were all wanted for war crimes trials at the Hague. Should the Palestinians have the right to want to fight back, and try to reclaim their homeland, which was also promised to them by the Balfour Declaration as well as numerous times by the British government since then?

http://www.australiansforpalestine.net/history/massacres

How about we talk about the 1937 Peel Commission report, where the Jews agreed to a State considerably smaller than the one given to the creation of Israel in 1947? Where does it say anywhere that Jerusalem was supposed to be a Jewish city? In both the 1937 and 1947 partition plans, as well as in the 1938 plan that the Palestinians agreed to, Jerusalem was supposed to continue under UN oversight, in order to be fair to both sides.

Here is a link to the full Peel Commission report. It does load pretty slowly. Pay attention to the maps at the end of the document, as they show what the Jews agreed to in 1937, as well as what the Palestinians countered with in 1938. The two sides weren't that far apart either.

http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/Cmd5479.pdf

Here is the ancient history that you so conveniently forgot to mention about Palestine and Israel:

Palestine was known in ancient history as the Land of Canaan. When Abraham migrated to the Land of Canaan it was a well-developed country. The Philistines entered the Land of Canaan from Crete about 1250 B.C. and settled in the coastal areas. They established five kingdoms, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gath and Ekron. They were the people who gave Palestine its name, and the Land of Canaan since Roman times has been known as Palestine.

About 1100 B.C. Israelite tribes entered the Land of Canaan at Jericho. They conquered a part of the Land of Canaan and established a kingdom in Judea about 1000 B.C. About 935 B.C. the kingdom was divided into the Kingdom of Israel in the north and the Kingdom of Judah in the south. About 725 B.C. the Kingdom of Israel was conquered and many Israelites were taken to Babylonia. About 600 B.C. the Kingdom of Judah was conquered by the Babylonians. The Israelite tribes were either exiled to Babylonia or were absorbed by the Canaanites. This means that Israelite rule over a part of Palestine lasted only about 400 years, during which time the majority of the population were Canaanite and mixed Canaanite-Israelite. Many of the Israelite kings of the two kingdoms followed Canaanite religions.

The Greeks conquered and ruled the Land of Canaan from 330 B.C. until 70 B.C. The Romans conquered and ruled the country from 63 B.C. until 614 A.D. Jesus Christ was born and Christianity spread in the country. Many Jews in Palestine became Christians. Many of the apostles were Jews.

As a result of strife between Jews and Christians many Jews left Palestine for neighboring countries. The Arabs conquered Palestine in 638 A.D. and exercised a profound influence on the country. The indigenous population of Palestine at that time adopted the Arabic language and many became Muslims. Arab rule over Palestine lasted from 638 to 1517 A.D., except for a brief period of Crusader rule. The Ottoman Turks ruled Palestine from 1517 until 1918, during which time the indigenous population of Palestine remained Arabic in language and culture.

Quoted from Australians for Palestine
http://www.australiansforpalestine.net/history/pre-1948

Here is the problem:

The Jewish founders of Israel were guilty of terrorism and genocide. They ethnically-cleansed between 500,000 and 700,000 Palestinian civilians off of land that had been promised to them, murdering 10,000 non-combatants in the process, with another 30,000 to 40,000 dying in forced marches without food or water in 100-degree heat. Every allegedly "terrorist" action that has been directed at Israel since then is in direct response to this unaddressed genocide.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story725.html

There is no other way to look at it.

Yes, President Obama was quite right to re-affirm the goal of the re-creation of a Palestinian State, and he needs to be commended for taking a strong stance in-support of the Palestinian cause. Israel needs to be very certain that their continuing US support is conditional on making serious progress on the establishment of a Palestinian State, which must include an end to settlement building in occupied territory and may have to include some givebacks of Israeli land to the creation of a Palestinian State too, in order to ensure that such a state is viable. Farmland and defensibility is key.

You Jews love to say that the UN gave you an undefensible State.

You need to give the Palestinians back some land in order for their Statehood aspirations to be viable, otherwise there will not be peace.

How about return to the 1947 UN boundaries, or even the 1967 boundaries? You want peace in Israel? How badly do you want it?

Or does the Israeli military-industrial complex need this now 65 year old conflict to continue in order to justify its continuing existence at current funding levels?

I'm one American who is fully in-favor of cutting Israel off completely until this issue is resolved. I vote Democrat too. I am a White middle-aged American who is sick and tired of this ongoing genocide, sick and tired of the fact that my tax dollars are used to fund it, and it is way past time for the entire rest of the world to impose a just solution if we are unwilling to.

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#1.74 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:13 AM MDT

By the way Reno, Israel is way ahead on tonnage of rockets fired at Palestine as well as on bombs dropped on Palestine too.

In fact, there ought to be a rule about firing or dropping that much more tonnage.

The Palestinian rockets carry less than the force of a World War II pineapple grenade, and Israel routinely responds with blockbuster munitions directed at apartment buildings.

There are always two sides to every story.

Byron Raum

There's a small faction on both sides that keeps shooting and making sure that tensions are always escalated

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Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has again denied Jerusalem's Jewish history and the existence of the Temple, referring to the "alleged Temple" in a statement this week.

The use of the term "alleged Temple" to deny Jewish history has been Palestinian Authority policy under Abbas for many years. Palestinian Media Watch has documented that the entire Palestinian Authority leadership and the structures under its control actively and repeatedly use the term "alleged Temple.""Alleged Temple" 97 times:

Palestinian Media Watch checked its archives and found that the official PA press reported the use of the expression "alleged Temple" at least 97 times by heads of the PA, its institutions and its media, just in 2011 and 2012. This number refers only to the use of this term. The PA has denied Jewish history in Israel and Jerusalem hundreds of times as part of its official policy, and has also fabricated an ancient Palestinian history in the land. Mahmoud Abbas himself in a speech that was read by his advisor on the eve of Israel's Independence Day, both denied Israel's history and falsely claimed the existence of a 9000 year-old Palestinian history, adding: "Netanyahu, you are incidental in history. We are the people of history. We are the owners of history." [PA TV (Fatah), May 14, 2011]

PA leaders cite "alleged Temple"
The following is a partial list of PA officials, institutions, and others cited in the PA press who used the term "alleged Temple," some of them numerous times, in 2011and 2012

Mahmoud Abbas, PA Chairman
Ahmad Al-Ruweidi, Advisor to PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas
Muhammad Hussein, PA Mufti
Mahmoud Al-Habbash, PA Minister of Religious Affairs
Ahmad Qurei (Abu Alaa), former PA Prime Minister, head of PLO Jerusalem Dept.
Tayseer Tamimi, former PA Chief Justice of Religious Court
Salim Al-Za'anoun, Chairman of the Palestinian National Council
Sheikh Yusuf Ida'is, Chairman of the Supreme Council of Islamic Law
Yusuf Salameh, speaker at the Al-Aqsa Mosque and former Minister of Religious Affairs
Mahmoud Al-Aloul, member of the Fatah Central Committee
Dmitry Dliani, member of the Fatah Revolutionary Council
Kamal Al-Khatib, Deputy Chairman of the Islamic Movement in Israel
Sheikh Ishaq Feleifel, columnist in the religion section of the official PA daily
Adel Abd Al-Rahman, columnist for the official PA daily
Official PA TV news readers and reporters
WAFA, the official PLO and PA news agency
The PA's official daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida

Pres. Obama just doesn't get the Middle East, and their relationships from beginning of time. There are peaceful Palestinians living in Israel!

There is no Negotiating with HAMAS the Terrorist Organization, Abbas, their Leader (HAMAS) nor their people---Palestinians born in Palestine, have a gun in their baby hands, and brainwashing throughout their entire childhood. It is the Palestinians who are going to have to change their violent ways.

The baby child who was paraded through the streets of Palestine, killed said it was the Israeli's; no ABC got it wrong. It was the Palestinians who killed this child with a rocket that went astray. It has now been documented. Blame everything on Israel.

Three Rockets flew into Israel 2 days ago. This is a daily occurence--They, with Iran want to wipe Israel off the face of the map---all of them---

What was this meeting with Netanyahu--there were rumblings he would come back and negate the lovely kumba ya meeting with Bibi---What does Netanyahu say. We all know what he is thinking but is gracious in his welcoming.

"It will come home to Roost", as the Rev. Wright said, when arriving in the US, back to placating the Extreme Terrorists, Muslim World---How's Morsi doing with all his money?

I don't trust them, and I have difficulty trying to understand why Obama would after what he has experienced with the radical element of Islam, its as if he is incapable of learning. the radical part of the Palestinians already said they wanted it all I don't see compromise in that attitude, Israel gave them to large areas one on the West bank, and another on the Gaza strip and instead of governing themselves and living in peace they use the land as a staging point for attacks on Israel, that's not peace, they lost some land due to their violence, these people are not capable of running a Camel daycare let alone a Nation of misfits and murderers, they talk of peace while they plan destruction. some Palestinians are fine people but their radical brothers will even go as far as to use their children for human Shields and constantly attack Israel, as long as those psycho's run around killing both Palestinians and Jews or who ever happens to be in the way there can be no peace. if you bought a thousand sq miles of desert from Egypt and brought in irrigation made the land suitable for living and prospering on taught them to farm the sea and build them Islands to go with the land they would still continue to fight. when the extremist finish with one enemy they just focus on the next and that is any one that does not think their brand of Islam, Obama needs to learn that he had a Muslim upbringing he should know the way.

@John, Arab's and Muslims copied and learnt from Indians when it comes to both Astronomy and Mathematics. India is the mother of Astronomy and Mathematics both.

Indians figured out that earth was round, that it went around sun way before Copernicus. Indians also measured earth's circumference almost 99% or better correctly. What we call pythagorus theorem is also Indian. Calculus is Indian. Additive identity i.e. zero is Indian. Number system is Indian. Indians measured the time for earth to go round the sun absolutely accurately. They measured pi to nth degree. The list just goes on ..

If you look at Arabs and Muslims - they too have contributed heavily to science culture and civilization. And I won't get into the political debate. But as far as Astronomy and Math is concerned - it is hands down Indian sciences.

George Paulson: Since you ask about the technological contributions from Israel that have helped us be aware that: Israel devotes 4.8% of GDP to R&D-more than any other country in the world, in recent years 4 Jews have won Nobel Prizes in Chemistry and Economics. The Israeli business sector offers innovations in many areas such as: Life Sciences where they are 4th in the world in biotechnology patents per capita, 3rd in the world for technological readiness, 2nd in the world for venture capital start-up and 1st in the world for availability of qualified scientists and engineers. Israel excels in developing new water technologies, global communication, homeland security, the semiconductor industry and agri-technology. Of course, George, you have probably never heard of cell phones or computers or security systems and certainly you wouldn't be concerned about water quality or decent food, not to mention the polio vaccine and other medical advances that have come out of Israel or from Jews. The world would be a much less pleasant and poorer place without the contributions of Israeli/Jewish research and technology so a little gratitude is in order.

Do you want to know why there can be no peace ?

It's as simple as the article's quote:

then we’re never going to get to the broader issue, which is how you actually structure a state of Palestine that is sovereign and contiguous," the president said.

The issues are -

1. The term "contiguous". Just LOOk at a map of Israel and imagine a "contiguous" Palestinian state which encompasses Gaza, West Bank, and Jerusalem. You will SEE that it is impossible.

2. The trickery: Everyone (except the actual players in the region) say that this is completely about "land". Not so. The Palestinian demands are a) land (meaning pre-'67 borders); b) RIGHT of RETURN; c) reparations.

Thus, Israel is to give all land back, (without getting "peace") and THEN the other preconditions are first then addressed.

Kinda like Obama's position that the Republicans give the Dems everything the Dems want, and only THEN, do the Dems "talk" about what the Repubs want.

Old timer,
You said:The Palestinian rockets carry less than the force of a World War II pineapple grenade, and Israel routinely responds with blockbuster munitions directed at apartment buildings.

So because Palestine has smaller rockets Israel should just ignore them ? Or should they put away their blockbusters and just use sling shots ? The purpose of fighting back with more power is to get them to stop!! They have held back long enough,Palestine and the extremists want the Jews Dead All of them and use their own people as shields then scream when they get killed and act like it was out of the blue...Even if their rockets are smaller they still kill just as dead.

How can Odumbo claim to be Israels life long bud one day, they say the Palestinians deserve a state the next, unless said state is on another planet. I don't think Israel will be too accommodating to them, nor should they be. Odumbo is either evil or one stupid SOB, take your pick.

Obama is a shining spot in this world and a voice of reason. Alas ... some people will never understand that and will bash him no matter what.

I could write something, but Obama has spoken my thoughts and much more eloquently.

I think probusiness was right on the money to compare the radical extremists in the middle east to the radical extremists here at home. There are a lot of similarities, aren't there? For starters, both are far more interested in their bibles and their guns than in getting along with their neighbors...

Palestinians born in Palestine, have a gun in their baby hands,

Whoa, take it easy, hotshot. Let's not get carried away with our desire to kill children. Besides, you're wrong. There are tons of Palestinians who, despite suffering personal tragedies, not only accept the validity of Israel, but argue for peace with them. You just haven't read some of the basic texts.

Just read Izzeldin Abuelaish's "I shall not hate". Not every Palestinian is a bogeyman out to get Israel. But Israel sometimes makes them bogeymen so they can build settlements in the West Bank.

Obama is asking for two states--Israel doesn't have to give up any territory for that.

john-737278

John, that's progress... something will eventually take the place of the energy sources we now have... and the current jobs will be irrelevant... just like once upon a time there were many many people in the livestock, carraige and buggy whip making businesses to support transportation... who ended up making cars...

Could be fusion... could be dark matter... rest assured those new industries will also need people to build and run them....

There are people here who absolutely depend on a continuous conflict so that their fundamentalist ideologies can survive. That goes for both sides.

One thing we can be sure of: the people that won't accept peace will never accept that their side plays a part in continuing the violence.

Strato:

Your quote:

-Israel doesn't have to give up any territory for that.

vs. the Obama quote in the article:

then we’re never going to get to the broader issue, which is how you actually structure a state of Palestine that is sovereign and contiguous," the president said.

NOW - please look at a map of Israel, and TELL us....how can the Palestinian state "contiguous" between Gaza, West Bank, and Jerusalem NOT result in Israel giving up territory ? The two positions are mutually exclusive - a PHYSICAL and GEOGRAPHICAL impossibility.

Please educate me, Strato.

Maybe he can persuade them to provide a pathway to Israeli citizenship - the same path of entitlements we're entertaining and will soon pass in the US soon, paid for byyour fellow taxpayers lol!

You deny these people all legal rights and the right to exist, then you complain that they don't acknowledge a temple? lol WOW Somebody needs an adjustment to his moral scale.

"Obama appeals to Israelis: Give justice to the Palestinians"

Obama most likely wouldn't want Israel to really give justice to the Palestinians, and neither would the Palestinians want what they deserve from Israel.

How to make it contiguous?

Easy. Tunnels.

How do you give justice to someone that constantly threatens to kill you and lobs rockets at you? Maybe BO was saying to raise taxes on the ones living in the area?

Israel has given much of it's Territory to the Palestinians!!! More and More--under the charge of past Presidents, to what seemingly what would make a Peace Agreement. Who would fire the first rocket/bomb?

What did the Palestinians do to all the Settlements in the Gaza Strip?--They tore them down!!! Housing for their poor, and uneducated. Palestine, the great place, where they want to keep their citizens down in poverty, knowing nothing more than killing, fighting, and hating the Jews---that's all.

HAMAS has done a great job; they also running the Palestinian Government with AK rifles at the head of Abbas--he a sympathizer, like Karzai in Afghanistan.

All babies born, are taught from day 1 to kill, and torture Israeli's; the Jews---as someone has said here, they use their own children as Human Shields--wonderful group---the Israeli's/Jews believe in life, and life is a Miracle---thus, cherishing the will to live---The Extremists cherish the KORAN, killing, suicides, torturing anyone who disagrees with this ever growing Religion in the entire World.

One day they will rule the World with their Religion---Who will fight them?

Oldtimer -- the U.N. created the Country of Israel. The Israelis settled the barren land, fought wars to keep their Country.

I really don't believe that neither Israel nor the people of Palestine "trust" O'Bama. They were kind but will be glad when he leaves. Once again, O'Bamagives passionate substance free speeches and likes to tell others how they should run their countries. This advice coming from a so-called leader who is destroying his own country. When the Palestinian people rid themselves of the terrorist group Hamas, there can be peace. When Hamas stops sending rockets into Israel, there can be peace. Israel should not return any land won in battle back to those they defeated. They should not give anything to those that call for its destruction.

"Talking to them, they weren’t that different from my daughters, they weren’t that different from your daughters or sons," he said.

So, your daughters are anti-semites and preach the destruction of Israel? I know mine do not!

Here is your 1947 UN Partition map, just in-case you haven't seen it before.

http://mideastweb.org/un_palestine_partition_map_1947.htm

How about giving back all of the land attached to Gaza shaded in tan?

As well as most of the land shaded in tan in the West Bank and in northern Israel too?

Say, what is that white area around Jerusalem anyway?

How about going to the end of this web page about the Peel partitions and see what the Jews agreed to in 1937 (Plan A), and what the Palestinians agreed to (Plan B).

http://www.mideastweb.org/peelmaps.htm

Why do you Israelis think that you should own any more of Palestine than the UN Mandate gave you, and why do you think that US taxpayers should continue to fund your now 65-year genocide?

Oh, and by the way, it is the Republicans that are guilty of trying to destroy the America where I grew-up, in-fact they have been guilty of it ever since Ronald Reagan and even Jerry Ford were in office. Remember the Arab Oil Embargo? Whose fault was that? Nixon? We should have let Israel go then, as it would have been a whole lot less-expensive for the average American.

We have talked peace in Israel for over 50 years that I know of, and every time that we get close, Israel adds more conditions, or they try to get revenge one last time. If the Palestinians had been able to respond in-kind, most of Israel would have been reduced to dust long-ago too. Why do you Israelis think that you can keep getting away with what you have done?

I wonder if it is only me who is sick of all this "anti-semite" label whenever anybody talks about peace with Palestinians? I mean everybody knows Palestinians or Muslims are no saints. But that shouldn't mean they live like animals. So what's wrong in saying Palestinians deserve a state provided they do A B C ... ? Put some conditions and work towards it. It looks to me Arafat was doing ok and then he was assasinated. Same happens on the israeli side ... whoever tries to make peace dies suddenly. That's why all these pro gun nuts need to look at guns and war profiteering from a different angle. While guns may be preserving your freedom .... it is creating violence the world over because nobody forces these war companies to keep track of who they sell what.

Old Timer-88224

I disagree, either it never should have happened by our meddling, or we should have dumped them after the USS Liberty got attacked by them and proved that they weren't actually allies.

The Jews and Arabs have hated each other for almost 4000 years. They have the same father (Abraham). It's a fascinating historical and biblical event of hatred. Obama will have no effect on a 4000 year old issue. One is foolish to believe otherwise and Obama is a fool to believe he has that kind of power of persuasion or even the right to pontificate to the two nations of people. He is wrong in meddling. It's a family issue.

We have talked peace in Israel for over 50 years that I know of, and every time that we get close, Israel adds more conditions, or they try to get revenge one last time

The above is exactly the type of propaganda that has so many ppl in this country turning on Jews and Israel.

I can't believe w WWII history being so recent that America has adopted this anti jew/Israel attitude. To see so many ppl (sorry my friends on the left) align themselves w RACIST BIGOTS is discouraging.

Of course a vast MAJORITY of Jews VOTED for Obama....so go figure.

Just another world tour for Obama. He will demand Israel make peace with the Arab/Islamic nations and for sure not to protect themselves against Iran. Peace for Israel only means giving up more land and as Obama does, bow down to Muslims. Keep those fences up Israel, let Obama talk to Jordan about giving up some of their land to these Palestinians, they got more than enough land. I compare the Palestinian people to Mexico which continue to populate the U.S. These people are good at wanting what other countries have as their land is a piece of #%#$. Kick this idiot out of your holy land. Shun him as he has been doing to you for years. Don't believe a word he says as his words are meaningless. The first thing Israel should do is get rid of the Dome on the Rock as allowing these Muslims to erect this dome gained Israel nothing. The Rock would then be free for everyone to visit. This land is holy and I support Israel completely. Stay strong and don't give up one inch more of your land. Obama is definitely not looking out for your best interests, the people of the United States are but their voice is being ignored since he has been in office

Probiz 2.32

You should take your jaundised Nixon flag and move to the little right wing utopia that Glen Beck wants to set up (Beckistan?)

I had some sympathy for the Palestinian cause until witnessing the failure of the Camp David peace talks in 2000. It was evident that the Palestinian people would reject any peace under any circumstances. They were not interested in even hearing any offer the Israelis made.

It is foolish to think that peace can be had against the will of the Palestinian people. Let's move on to other pursuits. If the Palestinians ever decide to change their outlook, we can revisit the issue then.

Can OBama, Palestinians, and Israelis explain what they mean by "final justice"

As we all know there are interim justices too before final justice!

Old Timer:
You have it wrong - on MANY fronts.
You said:
"The Palestinian rockets carry less than the force of a World War II pineapple grenade, and Israel routinely responds with blockbuster munitions directed at apartment buildings."

As Ster points out (post 2.41) (and I’ll paraphrase) - what you’re suggesting (because Israel’s weaponry is superior), that a man can assault me on the street with a knife. I am in poissession of BOTH a knife and a gun. YOU would have me drop the gun and fight with the knife (because it wouldnt be “fair” to use my superior weaponry.
This is foolishness.

Further, your post 2.59's quote:
"Oh, and by the way, it is the Republicans that are guilty of trying to destroy the America where I grew-up, in-fact they have been guilty of it ever since Ronald Reagan and even Jerry Ford were in office. Remember the Arab Oil Embargo? Whose fault was that? Nixon?

Uhhh, no - not Nixon’s.
It happened under CARTER’s watch.

“Old Timer” ?
...more like “Alzhiemer”.

Jeff Thank you, I like your analogy much better :)
PJ- The Extremist Muslims and Terrorists that are Hamas run Propaganda And Anti-Jew rhetoric daily in Palestine it's constraint hatred And they as well as other radical Leaders have stated And called for the Destruction of the JEWS.So I think Anti-Semite is a well earned description of their feelings.
Obama is just stirring the POT! .

Look over these messages and we conservatives doing what conservatives do best. Notice they have NO solutions, NO ideas, NO answers -- all they do is the ONLY thing they do well --- they bitch, whine, complain, moan and groan about President Obama.

Jeff

So you are OK with Israeli troops firing automatic weapons and killing Palestinian kids that are throwing rocks?

Here is a very correct analogy that shows the difference between the Palestinian missiles fired at Israel and the ones that Israel fires back:

The Palestinian missiles are a lot like shooting bb guns, and the Israeli response is like shooting a 155-mm anti-tank weapon in-response.

The warhead on a Palestinian missile can put a dent in your car, and it can also put a small hole in your roof, whereas the warhead on an Israeli missile can destroy an entire city block.

I also found recent scientific evidence yesterday that the IDF is guilty of grossly overstating Israeli deaths, injuries, and the damage inflicted by Palestinian missiles too.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/dissecting-idf-propaganda-the-numbers-behind-the-rocket-attacks.html

Here is typical damage when a Palestinian missile actually hits something. Note that it didn't even knock the picture off the wall or break glass on the counter either.

http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-37921172/disrael-kills-four-gaza-militants-after-rocket?popup=1

Here is typical Palestinian damage when Israel retaliates. Remember that the Palestinian missiles are not guided missiles, and that they are only slightly larger than Estes model rockets, but the Israeli missiles are modern first-world missile technology that have a targeting accuracy rate measured in feet, so this strike was completely intentional too.

http://www.demotix.com/news/1629475/gaza-after-israeli-airstrikes#media-1629283

Here is another interesting piece. Does Israel actually encourage Palestinian rocket attacks?

http://www.sott.net/article/253631-Israel-Encourages-Palestinian-Rocket-Attacks

Like I said, there are two sides to every story.

You know what is the most interesting about this aluminum thing? The two largest producer are China which has 18 times the production of the U.S and Russia that produces twice as much as we do here.

And this justice thing......Most of them are terrorist and should get justice. Trials for each and every one of them.

"The United States is deeply committed to the creation of an independent and sovereign state of Palestine," he (Obama) said...

We are? I missed that 'yea' vote by the American people agreeing to take on another nation-building project.

Or better yet, if the Palestinians are so glad to see him maybe they should keep him.

Yeah...Palestine, KEEP HIM!! Then you can rock and graffiti his butt every day.

They are squatting on Israeli land.

Where is the evidence of these claims ?!?!?

Since 1948. That land was originallly owned by Britain. British gave up land 80% to Arabs( Jordan Territory) and decided the other 20% should be given to Israel. Bottom line, Palestian JEWS have always lived in that land along with the Muslims.

Now those Palestinian Jews are called ISRAELI jews.

It's kind of funny, a number of people claim that Palestinians want to commit genocide, that they want to kill off all the Jews. As evidence for this desire, they cite the claim that Palestinians deny the right of Israel to exist.

But they also refuse to accept the Palestinians as a people. By your own logic, you also want genocide.

@

Superskunk

They are squatting on Israeli land.

Where is the evidence of these claims ?!?!?

On the Internet, google it.

I'm confused by your response Unhappy, I never said that Israel shouldn't exist, or that the Jewish people in that area should be expelled.

I only asked for evidence to prove that the Palestinians are squatting on Israeli land, which you failed to provide.

Remember the "U.S.S. LIBERTY & Jonathan Pollard" Sure Israel is our friend, stealing our top secrets to the "N" Bomb and killing our Sailors, Millions in damage to our ship was a act of war !!!

Byron - nope, you are confused. The argument that some Palestinians want genocide comes from the numerous public threats made by Arab political officials to wipe Israel off the map.

There is another argument that peace can be achieved through a two-state nation. That is negated because neither side is willing to recognize the other's right to exist.

Superskunk - you may Wikipedia the '67 war for the evidence you seek.

Seaskip...so was bombing our embassy and killing our ambassador in Benghazi yet that was shoved under the rug, the secretary of state retired, and still no answers....

I'm not going to jump up and say great speech, he said I know you tried I know they stab you in the back every time, I know there is no way peace can be achieved with these people but try anyways. it looks good to the rest of the world and it makes us feel good, even if your people are dying it feels good to know the hand of friendship is out there. Mr Obama is asking to be rational to a group that is incapable of rational thought, and will turn right around and stab them in the back, again!

Byron -

The problem with your post (3.5) is that you ignore that the land that is presently called "Palestine" was, in fact, JORDAN (West Bank) and EGYPT (Gaza); thus, these "Palestinians" were , in fact, Jordanians and Egyptians.

When Israel won the land in '67, and neither Egypt nor Jordan wanted the land back, the inhabitants were ppl without a country and thus reverted back to "Palestinians", i.e., from "Palestine" which was the name of the region before the Britains took it from the Ottomans. How far back do you want to go ? At the turn of the century between C.E. and B.C.E., the land belonged to the Romans - Do you want to give it to Rome ? Or, before that, it was Israel's - you CERTAINLY dont want to give it back to THEM, right ? Or, do you want to go back even farther ? Let's find some Cannanites, Hittites, Emorites, Prizites, Jebosites, Girgashytes.

Jeff, those lands where all but empty until the Irgun and stern gang pushed the palestinians there. Jordan and Egypt gave those lands up because there where more palestinians living there than their own people. Nice try at slanting things though. Keep up the good work, netenyahoo and the devil love you man.

Uh, try again, George -

Jordan and Egypt gave up that land because they didnt want 1.5 million welfare cases.

It's time to cut bait and go home. Since 1948, every US President has tried to help Israel and the Palestinians resolve their differences, but that's simply not going to happen. Let's put a full-court press on becoming energy independent and let them work it out with the UN. The foreign aid we've sent to both parties could be better spent here at home.

I guess most of you naysayers didn't actually LISTEN to President Obama's speech. He was speaking to Israeli students, faculty and parents and they ALL cheered enthusiastically at nearly every point he made which centered on peace with the Palestinians, not talk at more aggression or isolation of them.

Hate hidden behind anonymous posts is getting so old, tired and shameful.

I guess most of you naysayers didn't actually LISTEN to President Obama's speech. He was speaking to Israeli students, faculty and parents and they ALL cheered enthusiastically.......

He (Obama) sure did. More proof that ppl will BELIEVE anything that comes out of a politicians mouth.

Look....I hear what you're saying but COME ON. Obama is TALKING out both sides of his mouth. Today was just ANOTHER example of him telling ppl what they want to hear.

Obama talking from both sides of his mouth is ALL he knows how to do. He has no ethics, morals or principles of his own. Come on, afte 4 years of the imposter, everyone knows that (I guess the exception is the "low information" voter and the illegals.

My guess is that Israel would be willing to sit with Pope Francis I to talk peace, but that the Palestinians would either refuse or demand total surrender of Israel as a precondition of the talks.

BTW, while my guess is just that, a guess, it is an educated guess based on recent history.

yes and have a beer @ the white house

Isreal wants MORE land. there cannot be peace till the settlement are gone. Greed controls all.

PTI,

Israelis are full of @!$%#. There seems to be a lot of sentiment for them. Is it because you believe that they are the appointed ones??? Well if I'm correct that was in the Old Testament. Who are the authors of the Old Testament..... Jews. Madison Ave. before there was one. Can we quit falling for their @!$%# or do they really own America.

Mr. President please explain why the terrorist Palestinans need their own state? To continue killing Israelis is the only thing Palestinians want. I visited Israel a few years ago and the only time Israel responded to the Palestinians was after Israel or its citizens were attacked. My second day in Israel the Israeli army had to travel south because the Palestinians were firing rockets into southern Israel killing innocent Israelis. the day after my Jerusalem tour a Palestinian gunman entered a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem and opened fire killing 17 students. I am sorry but I don't support terrorist palestinians and no one else should listen to these Killers.

Actually Canaan was the land of the Hebrews (Jews), they were conquered by Egypt and went into slavery for them. Moses freed them and took all of the slaves....Hebrews back to their land Canaan. The Many Hebrew tribes lived in the area now known as Israel, in fact the Land of Canaan was much larger than Israel now days. Just some facts!!

That would truly be a great start. Put a bounty on them and hunt them like coyotes.

OK GUYS- put your battle rattle on and go ATTACK! Just keep precious American kids out of it.

how about we send the bloods over there and tell the morons they are all waiting to join the crips then we send the crips over there and tell them they are all waiting to join the bloods problem solved since the dimwits in the government have already armed both of the gangs to the teeth and loaded them up with all the cocaine they could do and sell lets get some bang for our bucks.

Precious kids do more for this fine Country than you've ever done.. couch potato!!!!!!

How so? Casual Taxpayer is 100 percent right.

Speaking of which, get YOUR a$$ off the couch and go grab an M-16 hop on the next plane to the West Bank and go straignten everything out over there. Go give Hamas a piece of your mind. Let us know how you make out.

My plane would only need one war head unlike your leaflet dropping airplane!

why not just let them have antartica?

Uhh, CasualUSTaxpayer ? (post 5.2)

I think you're a little confused.

I think you're referring to ALL of Europe in the 1940's, and, more recently, Kuwait, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., etc.-

ISRAEL HAS NEVER, EVER ASKED FOR AMERICAN G.I. BLOOD - NOR HAVE THEY GOTTEN ANY.

Try to stay factual, would you ? It makes you look less...uninformed.

9/11 happened because of Isreal's behavior over the last 60 years. yes, we shed blood for their expansion policy.

No, George.

First, accept the fact that you are an apologist. You use our actions as justification for the mass killing of CIVILIANS. No doubt you use the same justification for the killings of civilians in Israel. And DONT start that crap about more Palestinian civilians dying than Israeli civilians. First, Israel does not TARGET civilians - Islamic terror DOES.

Second, you'll say that Israel doesnt do enough to limit civilian casualties - yet you have NO problem with the civilian casualties the U.S. inflicts on Afghans and Iraquis. Collateral damages is ok with you, so long as Israel is not the one inflicting it.

Third - NO. The reason Islamic terror hit OUR soil is because it was not snuffed out in the 70's when the casualties were "only" Jews.

Ma'alot - where Islamic terrorists machine-gunned a KINDERGARTEN; Quiryat Shemonah, families.

Munich - as opposed to where CIVILIZED nations, for centuries, put wars on hold, in deference to the Olympic spirit.

Take your apologist CRAP elsewhere.

Jeff, there is a huge difference when American troops push through a city or town, compared to Israeli troops. American troops cautiously enter a building to ascertain who may be inside. Israeli troops blow the building to smithereens, not caring who is inside. Usually it is women and children, which is a reason the casualty rates for them are so high.

Many Israeli soldiers expressed dismay at what they were required to do. Israel drops cluster bombs and uses white phosphorus. The Israelis have absolutely no empathy for others. If you are not a Jew, you deserve to be slaughtered.

Palestinian mortar fire is called rocket fire by Israel, implying that Hamas is using rockets, when in many, if not most cases, it is just mortar fire. The Palestinians have a lot of catching up to do, because the Israelis, using American made and supplied weapons, such as F16s, kill many, many more Palestinians.

America has to stop all aid to the parasitic demons called Zionists. They will suck our nation dry and then look for another host to bleed.

Ah, Ralphie - Newsvine's most vociferous anti-Israel/Jew.

You bore me.

Yes, yes, there's ALWAYS a difference between Jews/Israel , and everyone else.

Fence between Israel and Gaza - BAD

Fence between U.S. and Mexico - GOOD.

Collateral Damage in Afghanistan/Iraq - ok.

Collateral damage in Gaza - BAD.

YEARS of rockets into Israel - ok.

ONE sorte' into Gaza - BAD.

Suicide Bomber intentionally targets and kills dozens of Israeli CIVILIANS - ok.

ONE civilian in Gaza dies from reprisal - BAD.

224 U.N. resolutions against Israel - Good.

NO U.N. resolutions against Hammas, Hezbollah, PLO, PFLP, Black September - GOOD.

Israel blockade of Gaza - BAD.

Egypt blockade of Gaza- ok.

It's always "different" with you when it comes to Israel.

SHOVE it, Ralphie. Your agenda is clear.

Those of us who have visited Israel ignore posters like RalphH because we've been there and have seen the casualties as the result of Palestinian rockets and while I was there I was saddened by the ammount of innocent Israeli civilians that were killed by Palestinians.

RalphH you speak with forked tongue. I've been there and your lies are not believable.

I get all that. However, visiting Palestinians is something the Sec. of State should be doing. Not Obama. It totally takes away from his speech with Netanyahu. It was bad enough to begin with when the Israeli's were already quite aware of his latest antics. Such as giving military and financial aid to Israel's enemies. i.e. F-16's Helicopters, tank parts, and 1.5 billion $$ in cash to the Muslim Brotherhood in Eghypt. Then, sending that idiot Kerry to give the rebels in Syria 60 million $$ who are allied with Al-Qaeda who are just as bad as Assad. Then, he goes and visits the Palestinians as though they were actually credible and a country. Hamas in Gaza are nothing more than known terrorists to the international community and labeled as such even by us. The next thing you know, he'll want to visit them. While his intentions are good, his action are void of respect for the Israeli's to resolve their own problems.

Farty Redhead what a great name lmao!!!

J Chet, if you drop the stupidity in the first have of what you said you would get a lot more respect by just saying what you said in the end. the only sensible card you put on the table.

F-16s and helicopters going to egypt? No Helicopters and the F-16 is out dated 3-4 plane developments back. As long as Egypt keeps on doing what we are paying them to do they will continue to get our support. This is a deal the goes back to Bush/Cheney. It is in addition to a deal we had with Egypt that goes back further yet. As for Syrian Rebels, you do realize they are fighting Hamas? I don't see nothing wrong with some food, medical supplies and some bullits to help us out for when we go to Iran. ( hope not but think it is inevitable).

Farty Redhead, Big deal on the 50% poll. That doesn't meaan a thing they poll every single thing that the president does. Not a general over all. that was a poll taken on the President a bout Gun Controll. Heck they even got a poll on how well he shoot Basketball. Now a days the President can't even FART with some having some sort of rating poll on that. If all you do is follow Polls and drink Troll Aid this tells me you are a follower and want to be excepted by a group, any group. I don't follow groups I gather facts, asses the info, form a thought/opinion and follow my own path. If someone agrees with me that's fine, if they don't that is time for debating the issue. Debating with me can be pleasant or a heartbreaking experience, that is up to you and how you handle yourself. So Farty grow up and be a person on your own. You have a right not to be led around by your Nose Hairs, it says so in the Constitution.

hey j-chet read your bible it says they will all cry for peace but there will be none till the return of your messiah.

When is that brian? does it give a date? How about specific region, or is it just where you feel you should apply it?

Are you honestly that stupid? The Bible says NO MAN will know when he is to return, so it could very well be 5000 years from now. How about we at least try to make this a better planet and country till then. Saying well Jesus will return so we don't have to bother is a cop-out, and lazy.

Thank you

Jchet,
You said:Unfortunately, anyone in the POTUS position has to try to ensure the region stays somewhat stable.
ARAB SPRING RING A BELL... He needs to shut his pie hole !

The BIGGEST question for me?????

Why did such a VAST MAJORITY of Jewish ppl vote for Obama once....AND THEN AGAIN IN 2012?

I thought Obama's treatment and attitude towards Israel would have an impact on the American Jewish voter. But I was wrong about that. Proof that the D party can do no wrong. What a bunch of sheep!

I am Jewish and American, I had to abstain from vote on the last election,because I was facing a choice form hell.

I disagree with republicans on almost everything, so the fact that they support Israel more than democrats do forces me too choose between my concern for the country I live in and my friends and family in Israel.

My friends and family were split almost evenly on that election.

Those who voted for Obama argued that all American presidents were always supporting Israel for a reason, and Obama will as well, even if he doesn't want to.

It turns out they were right, and I am glad they were right.

Eli- I think if Romney had run on his own platform that made economic sense he would have won. However that being said the Republican party believed he needed to tilt more to the right and thats what lost it for him.

After the President lied to America in the last Presidential debate about Benghazi there was no way I was going to vote for someone who lies and and believes we should accept a lie as the truth. Neither party truly represents the American people just the Corporations and special interest groups that line our politicians pockets. I am sorry to say this but nothing the President says is truthful. He told the American people that Obamacare is not a tax. The Supreme Court ruled Obamacare a tax and the justice said you have to be careful who you elect.

The solution in America is that the politicians should have the same social security, medicare and retirement as Americans have. Politicians should not be eligible for retirement unless they have served 20 years. I also believe that we should vote all politicians out of office after their 1st term unless they have done something great to improve our standard of living. Seems like Obama just wants to tax us to death. He is part of the problem.

Obama wants Israel to put themselves in the shoes of the Palestinians - does he mean they need to fire rockets into muslim areas? Suicide bombers? Car bombs?

Don't forget flying planes into their buildings....

But Palestine had nothing to do with 911? Also, I consider homemade bombs to be a lot less effective than drone strikes or air strikes.

It's not like the US won their freedom through peaceful protest. Just something to think about.

McCain wants us to use our military to strike Syria, does the mean he is part of the "muslim" brotherhood?

Yawn.

It's about Time - McCain is a closet liberal and does not remember the last time he took a crap. But I bet it looked like you.

Larry, you may not like the Brotherhoods' form of Government, I really don't like what was done after they took over. It is, however, their Country and their Government and their Constitution. We do have a deal with Egypt that goes quite a ways back and as long as they are our friends and do honer the deal they will get our support. Egypt is not one of our enamies.

it's about time- maybe you know more about it than I do but I would not doubt that juan mcshame is actually a closet masturbater that climbs in his closet and whips out his folder with pictures of the muslim brotherhood and hamas and hezbolla and whack's away. what a pitiful excuse for a war hero that pos turned out to be huh maybe jaun and lindsey grahmnesty can introduce a bill that would allow all of those bad people to come live with you and you can teach them how to be real people not just mindless hateful trash.

teach them how to be real people not just mindless hateful trash.

Why ship people here for that, we have people like you right here that could use it first.

Larry

Why all the hatred?

brian.....Senator John McCain is still a War Hero, regardless of how YOU feel about him or his political positions.

Killing innocent people that are no threat to you in their on country dose not make Mc Cain a hero. Decades have past and is in on the subject. The truth is known by the by the entire world. We were in Vietnam for the French along with banking and money interest. We had no right, morally, politically or otherwise to be there. Mc Cain thinks we should still be bombing.

Yawn. You mean President Obama is doing the same thing Bush did "IF you go into Iran, you go alone". Maybe we should cut israel off (and the rest of the world) from the billions in foreign aid.

Ding Ding Ding .. We have another "Ignore what BUSH DID" and hold "Obama" to a higher standard. I love the IGNORANCE OF THESE. :-)

Obama is not nearly as stupid or dumb as Bush, not even close.

You're comment is right about one thing, Bush did set the bar VERY high for Failure... Just look at his lemmings and their inability to 'connect' the dots of history.

We don't know how smart Obama is his IQ score is sealed as well. But we do know he is smart enough to fool a majority into voting for him.

it's about time -your messiah has blood on his hands you better hope they don't send a drone to visit you and your'sjust cause they heard you might have said something they didn't like. and anyone that thinks there are 58 states is not very intelligent as far as bush goes I don't like the bushes

it's about time - I don't know how smart obammy is because we can't see his grades or his achievments but we sure can see his ignorance shining like the sun you dimwit.

the only reason the leftist trash always asks why weren't you complaining about what bush did is because you were complaining about bush it's just that they didn't listen to you then like they aren't listening now yawwwwwwn'

So what has Obama done for us?

america oil production at an all time high.

dow over 14k and climbing

trade deficit down 20%

Bin laden sleeps with the fishes

Iraq war is done.

unemployment rate is down to 7.7%

dam liberals. lol

So what has Obama done for us?

america oil production at an all time high. NOTHING OBAMA DID FOR THIS!!!

dow over 14k and climbing. FIRST TIME ABOVE 14K WAS ON BUSH'S WATCH

trade deficit down 20%. ??????? WHEN AND FOR HOW LONG????

Bin laden sleeps with the fishes.USING TACTICS PUT IN PLACE UNDER BUSH's WATCH

Iraq war is done. PER PRE-SET SCHEDULES CHANGED BY OBAMA (LATER)

unemployment rate is down to 7.7%. REAL UNEMPLOYMENT 14+ % NOT EXPECTED TO CHANGE

dam liberals. lol. YEPPERS , LIBS ARE STUPID.

So what has REALLY Obama done for us?

National Debt Increased almost 7% in 4 years.

Poverty highest level in ????? years.

Food Stamps and Welfare Distribution at ALL TIME HIGH!!!

Country Divided along all lines at record levels.

Yeh,,,we are jumping for freaking joy at obamas' Accomplishments. ROFLMFAO.

Moderate in Madison,

I like how "libbies" are wrong to blame bad things on Bush (like a recession that started during his term.. that's somehow Obama's fault, apparently). But, whenever Obama does anything good, you give credit to Bush.

Actually, the oil production is related in part to how Obama handled the government and private permits.

You're right. During Bush's time was one of the first times it broke 14k. And nowadays not only has it broken 14k, but it has broken 14500 for the first time ever. Thus, this one area of the economy that has not only recovered but surpassed itself prior to the crash. Good job, Obama.

Bin Laden's dead: Give it a rest. Obama made the call. In the 8 years Bush had the opportunity, he instead shifted mosted of the focus to the Iraq War. When Obama first ran for president, he said he would shift focus away from the Iraq War, focus more on Afghanistan, and find Bin Laden. He has fulfilled every one of those promises.

Iraq War: see Above. Obama did exactly what he said he was going to do.

Unemployment: So, are you telling me that unemployment is suddenly calculated differently than it was in Bush's time? It's not. It's the exact same calculations. The unemployment rate is down to 7.7%. There are more people working now than were working at the end of 2008. 6 million jobs have been added in the past 3 years. All of this information can be find at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

I'll also add some other accomplishments:

Investments in alternative energies. All the conservatives LOVE to bring up Solyndra. What's hilarious about that is the money that was slated to go toward various companies to help develop alternative technologies, 10% went to companies that failed. Do you know where the other 90% went? Companies that are turning profits. Funny how selective individuals are in the information they pass around.

Repeal of DADT.

Passed the Lily Ledbetter act.

Fought for and helped pass the Violence Against Women Act. Has made sure the programs under this act will be fully funded.

Pushed for legislation to regulate credit cards and banks from overcharging on fees, raising limits without advance notice, etc. so that people can stop getting screwed by these things.

Despite the myth that Obama is killing small business, he has pushed for and gotten tax cuts/tax credits for small businesses, expanded programs which give loans to those who start up small businesses, etc.

Has expanded benefits, help, and tax cuts for veterans.

Obamacare passed. (I'm sure you'll howl and whine about it, however Obamacare is one of the largest overhauls of the medical system that has been passed in a long time. You may not like it, but insofar as trying to reform the medical system, it is one of the biggest accomplishment in at least 30 years).

I could go on, but I don't have literally hours to recount the number of accomplishments that Obama has fought for and won.

You may not like Obama, that's fine. You may not agree with him on many things, that's fine. But, please just stop lying about what Obama has and hasn't done. The facts are out there -- educate yourself.

It's about time, I hated a lot of the stuff Bush did, especially the patriot act, and the debt that He ran up! Yet all You Obama followers can't see that He is Bush on steroids ! He has increased the loss of Our liberties, and ran up more debt in 4 years than Bush did in 8 ??? Where is the outrage ?? And as far as Obama being smarter than Bush, do You realize Bush has a genius IQ ? You all say Obama is so smart, yet We've never even seen college transcripts ! He thought there was 52 states, real smart Guy ! I just feel it's pretty hypocritical to bash Bush, and not Obama, when He is simply Bush on steroids !

The American people have no government. This country is run by banks, wall street, insurance companies, and Israel. If we don't force real change these pigs will soon have us in depression and chaos.

Our big banks have been getting billions in 0% loans. They are using our own money to rape us by manipulating the commodities market. Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanly and one other control 80% of all oil trades. Meanwhile, our public owned corporations make record profits from cheap foreign labor and pay low to no taxes. Foreign banks are crammed with American cash.

It has been obvious that our government is owned for decades. If the people had representatives we would force our public owned corporations to pay our minimum wages wherever they go. this would show a little regard for workers and bring back many jobs fast. Instead, we give them special treaties and tax breaks for outsourcing. We are in desperate need of a government of and for the people.

Is there NO END to stupid??? If we used our real names would you all still post such ignorance????

Nite,

The answer to your first question is "No".

The answer to your second question is "Yes".

You forgot to mention beat your wife, hold your hand out to the government, idolize false prophets (obumma), Neglect your children, get married and divorced a minimum of 3 times, ignore nations who have a long history of human rights violations... All satans tricks to entice the greedy self serving anti Christs of the world! That the America you visualize??

Wow Mike because obviously all those are just the atheist right? in 2008, 34.2 million Americans (15.0%) claim no religion, of which 1.6% explicitly describes itself as atheist (0.7%) or agnostic (0.9%)

Less then 1% atheist, yet they cause all the problems in the country. Own a computer and smart phone or sneakers? odds are that you too are ignoring human rights violations. How about drive a car, or do you consider it ok to fund it, just not ignore it.

You need to go reread that bible for yourself and not listen to what idiot been preaching it to you. No man is without sin. So your little "I'm a Christian Conservative so my stuff don't stink" rant there is not only arrogant but astoundingly stupid.

Luckyjr - You are aware, under law (see the Bill of Rights), another Americans beliefs are none of your business.

alim.... you just invaded Luckyyjr's belief's by invading his beliefs. His beliefs were none of your business either as I am now invading your beliefs because you say your beliefs are no ones business. I would think if one does not want to discuss their beliefs openly stay in the closet and don't share them on a public open discussion forum. AKA the world wide internet.

Michael Mellnick

Nobody care's what you non Christian fools think. If you don't believe that is your choice no need to be a moron in public here.

justme - Telling someone to 'stop believing in Gods' is an overstep. You can discuss differing beliefs, compare them, share what you believe, disagree over what to believe, or have no religious belief at all, but to say 'stop believing' is forgetting to honor their rights. It's a matter of mutual respect, personal preference and law.

Most Secretaries of State don't get to talk to the leaders all that much. If I want to talk to someone I prefer to do it personelly. Even Kruschev personnelly met with Kennedy and other Presidents, both at home (Russia) and abroad (at the Whitehouse). He was even allowed to drive the Presidential Limo one time for a distance, It seams he had quite the leadfoot. It is good when leaders talk togather it leaves nothing up to interpitation.

You can ignore Israel but God will always keep the holy land in the fore front of our minds. Whether you like it or not!!!

But when the children of isreal acted evil, god had no problem vaporizing sodom and gamora. God will give you each what you are deserving of. run netanyahu run.

george pauljohn

America should heed the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah were heading that way.

obama tells the Israelis to put themselves in Palestinian shoes. That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. If the Israelis were to do that it would mean that the Israelis would have to start firing rockets into the gaza Strip and opening fire and killing as many Palestinians as possible. this president doesn't have a clue. i've visited Israel and the Israelis respect all of the people in Israel irregardless of their religion. While I was there the Palestinians were firing missiles into Southern Israel killing innocent Jewish civilians and a Palestinian gunman opened fire in a Jerusalem jewish seminary, killing 17 students the day after our tour went there.America should Not recognize the Palestinians until they decide they will stop teaching their kids to kill Israelis.

To Man of Steel and others,

I'm no fan of a coward who will lob an aimless missle into a crowded area and then beat it back to his/her rat hole. But on the other hand maybe there's good reason the Palestinians are so pi$$ed. And for that matter, the Israelis have valid reasons to be defensive. I fear for the region and that matter the world, because what happens in the mid-east has repercussions far past borders.

One thing that will remain a big bugaboo in the region is the idea of manifest destiny. There are more than just fringe elements from both sides who claim the entire area as god-given, from all of the West Bank to the sea. It's a bit eerie to hear the most adamant of these voices speak on the land, because whether an Orthodox Jew or conservative Muslim, their eyes, their tone of voice say, "God has spoken and who owns the land is non-negotiable."

So it seems, if even in the minority, there are enough of these conservative Jewish and Muslim voices, different sides to coin, ringing out dangerous rhetoric and hamspringing the process of peaceful co-existence. I'm not sure, nor have I heard from studied experts, how such deep-seated beliefs are resolved so that a two-state solution is conceivable. I'll try to remain hopeful.

Instead of insulting and calling our President incompedent, tell us what you would do? Give more of our tax money to jews and start a war against anyone who does'nt like them?

The Palestinians also received each year $Millions. The difference that the Israelis are with us and are not attacking us with bombs and threating us with killings us. Remember the September 11th, 2001? How many Muslims were celebrating with joy and candy to their kids did you saw it on TV? I did! The sad thing is that no matter what President Obama or Mr. Clinton, Mr. J. Carter tried to do they would not go by the rules of the Western countries. I tell one thing the Muslim countries for sure hate us! Remember for the we are the devil no more no less.

The Israelis understand that Obama is all talk, lies a lot, and can not be trusted. Thats the reason for yesterday's emphasis on Israel being able to move against Iran on their own terms when THEY feel it is neccessary. They know they can't count on us.

Hey, Stupiter, uh, I man JUPITER.

Which wars did Israel start ?

1. 1948 - Partition confirmed in the U.N. - the entire Arab world attacked.

2. 1956 ? uhh, try again. The entire Arab world attacked.

3. 1967 ? YES....but, let's review, shall we ?

After 1956, the U.N. put "peace keepers" in the Sinai at the Egypt/Israel border.

In early June, 1967, the combined armies of Lebanon, Jordan, Egypt, and Syria massed at Israel's borders. This is not conjecture - it is fact. As the armies got into position, they claimed that it was only "war games". Once in position, President Nasser (Egypt) gave the U.N. peacekeeping force 24 hours to vacate or face death in the coming onslaught. The U.N. (nutless and gutless as they are), stated that, as they were a "peace keeping" force, and not a "fighting force", they were 'buggin' out. (cant blame them - they were 800 peacekeepers, vs. 400,000 Egyptian soldiers).

SO - now you're going to say what ? That the Arabs were justified because they wanted West Bank and Gaza back ? oh, wait - the Israelis didnt CAPTURE WB or Gaza UNTIL the '67 war.

Faced with this turn of events, Israel attacked.

3. 1972 Yom Kippur war ? - try again. Israelis were in their holiest of holy days. They were attacked.

sooo, Stupiter...to what war are you referring ?

I think he'd look better in a Buick low-rider. That'd scare hell outta the Palestinians. Could have called Hertz, or Enterprise Leasing.

Odumbo would look right at home in a lowered 1982 Chevrolet Caprice Classic with a set of chrome 24's.

Obama should have said "Mr. Netanyahu, tear down this wall".

George -

Obama should have said "Mr. Netanyahu, tear down this wall".

Should Obama also tear down the wall between the U.S. and Mexico ?

Okay - that's funny.

There is an old addage that works for me. "Keep your friends close and your enamies even closer." Yeppers.

If your talking the 666 Crap, you are barking up the wrong tree. Read the Book and follow the clues it will take you to Southern Europe around Spain.

Are you saying the drone that the Israeli's shot down being used by Hezbolah didn't have Made in China' on it ?? <grin>

I guessing here, your Jewish.

Do you think?

Yes. In Kenya, Indonesia, Hawaii and Harlem.

And, in any gay bar.

Cry losers cry!

dave-sunny so.cal

Not crying here Dave just laughing all the way to 2014 then your girlfriend Diane Feinstein and the rest are history.

You all sound like a broken record. Look forward to hearing this same dribble when the next president is elected.

He stated to Barbara Walters in an interview that he is lazy.

Glad you corrected yourself

boogereater - A very intelligent comment. Where did you get your PhD from? Might want to get help with that stutter problem though.

So booger what is he suppose to do, Kiss the Jews ass even more? Both the Jews and Muslims are on equal ground on the name Terrorist. I really don't care much for this President but at least he doesn't get on all fours for the Jews like all past Presidents. We need to start cutting off the Zionists from our pockets.

Rocky - spot on!

Hey buger eater, The President is not a Muslum.

I am not a Muslum or Jew so I can speak from an unbiased mind.

The Palistinians had their land taken away to make room for the Jews (with European help).

Palistine needs to become a state in order to finish all this Israeli settling.

DL142857

Hey buger eater, The President is not a Muslum.

I am not a Muslum or Jew so I can speak from an unbiased mind.

The Palistinians had their land taken away to make room for the Jews (with European help).

Palistine needs to become a state in order to finish all this Israeli settling.

@dl142857

Hey butt face you need to read before opening your big mouth.

The Book of Exodus tells how Moses leads the Israelites out of Egypt and through the wilderness to Mount Sinai, where God reveals himself and offers them a Covenant: they are to keep his torah (i.e. law, instruction), and in return he will be their god and give them the land of Canaan. The Book of Leviticus records the laws of God. The Book of Numbers tells how the Israelites, led now by their God, journey onwards from Sinai towards Canaan, but when their spies report that the land is filled with giants they refuse to go on. God condemns them to remain in the wilderness until the generation that left Egypt passes away. After thirty-eight years at the oasis of Kadesh Barnea the next generation travel on to the borders of Canaan. The Book of Deuteronomy tells how, within sight of the Promised Land, Moses recalls their journeys and gives them new laws. His death (the last reported event of the Torah) concludes the 40 years of the exodus from Egypt.

That is a lie.The land of Israel was the land of Canaan that many thousands of years ago was the land that Moses led the Hebrews to.It is NOT Palestinian land or anyone elses except for the Jews of the world.Israel is their own special place and why do you not want the Jews of this world not to have their own place?You are living on Native American land so why don't you get out?

So you believe an ancient book written by Jews. Of course the texts in it are going to favor the Jews over the Muslims. They wrote the book. Did the book mention the so called promised land was actually already inhabited by other people. Like much of the land already had been. If anything they come from Egypt if that's where they escaped from.

I'd say he's running out of dogs and ponies. People are starting to wise up. Pretty soon i'm going to start missing Bush. Well, actually, I miss him anyway. When he'd be on TV, i could mute the sound and laugh at his monkey faces. Now, Obama gets on TV and I change channels and see what's on the History Channel.

OH MYLANTA!!!!...well, I didn't vote for the blubbering idiot! "hammerhead", you obviously did, LIVE WITH IT. The ones that did, again, LIVE WITH IT! To answer all your venting... wait for it......... "IT'S GODS COUNTRY" not the palastinians! AND I WHOLE HEARTEDLY SUPPORT ISRAEL!! And if any of you don't, my question to you is, are you ready to meet God? God bless America, for He ALONE "will" have his vengeance! Ignore my words if you want, I'm not a radical, just raised right! :)

ladywhite65

If you love Isreal so much why the hell don't you live there. As for my life. I don't give a DAM about Your God and I am Just as American as you!!! Stay the hell out of my life, and sure as heck don't tell me how to live it. Your nothing but a hateful old hag. Mad cause everyone is not liveing the Way YOu think they should. Guess what retard It is Called FREEDOM!!!!!!!

ladywhite65

One more thing you were not raised right you were raised to hate.

Trantham and you were raised better? LOL evidently you don't tolerate people with different view points either?

Israel is the one true friend that we have in the world.But that is not going to be true anymore if Obama does not stop insisting that the Israeli government and the people of Israel cozy up to the Islamist countries in the Middle East.Israel already tried making concessions to the Palestinians and everyone else including the evil United nations and all they got for their trouble was betrayal and death.

ksw62118

You do what you want to in your house. But when you start TELLING ME HOW TO LIVE MY LIFE that is a problem. KKK GOP stop telling people how to live their lifes.

Ok we get it Trant.......you were government educated and now live on food stamps.