Russia in talks over Cyprus rescue deal; European bank issues ultimatum

Banks are closed on Cyprus but the ATM's are still dispensing cash as the government tries to avert a financial crisis. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.

Cyprus and Russia were in urgent talks over a possible financial rescue Thursday as the European Central Bank said it would not assist the crippled Mediterranean island unless some form of bailout plan was in place by Monday.

Banks have been ordered to stay closed until next Tuesday and Cyprus is considering some form of capital controls to prevent a run on banks if they re-open.

Cyprus has previously received $3 billion in loans from Russia, which is one of the island’s biggest foreign investors.

A deal in Moscow might include Russian access to Cypriot natural gas resources and its crippled banking industry, finance minister Michael Sarris told reporters there.

"There's a lot of teams now working on a number of issues. Banks, natural gas, are there opportunities (on which) we can base some cooperation and some support from Russia," he said, according to Reuters.

"We've asked for help clearly, but something that would make also economic sense for Russia."

Sarris was holding a second day of talks with Russian officials after the Cypriot parliament on Tuesday rejected a European Union plan for a $12.9 billion bailout in exchange for up to 10 percent of the island’s bank deposits, including citizens’ savings.

The ECB said on Thursday it had decided to allow the central bank of Cyprus to keep providing banks with emergency funding until next Monday, but it would not provide further assistance.

Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades was meeting other party leaders Thursday morning for crisis talks, CNBC reported.

The BBC said some kind of rescue plan would have to be presented to political leaders on Thursday.

"A decision on a Cyprus rescue must be made on Thursday at the latest," Anastasiades told the official CNA news agency, the BBC said.

The Cypriot finance minister is holding talks with his Russian counterpart, asking for an alternative bailout, after the terms of a European deal were rejected. Jonathan Rugman of Channel 4 Europe reports.

José Manuel Barroso, president of the European Commission, said Thursday he is concerned by the crisis in Cyprus and hopes a solution will be found.

Reuters reported that Russian state development bank VEB could become involved in a rescue package, but no immediate comment was available from VEB.

"It might be possible for part of this loan to be convertible over time to equity in Cypriot assets, such as privatized state assets and hydrocarbon rights," Jacob Nell, a Moscow-based economist, told Reuters.

Cyprus has already taken other measures to save its economy, including a proposal to nationalize retiree funds from state-run companies and conduct an emergency bond sale to help raise more than $7 billion, the New York Times reported.

On Wednesday, Ivan Tchakarov, chief economist at Renaissance Capital, told CNBC that Russia, which was enraged by the unexpected European deal, could step in to save Cyprus from total financial collapse.

"This situation presents a fantastic opportunity for Russia and even President Putin to take moral high ground and to extend another loan to Cyprus and to become a savior of Europe," he told CNBC in Moscow.

Reuters contributed to this report.

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Can't wait for this fiasco to hit the U.S. and my friends, it will, in time. Our economy is nothing more than a ponzi scheme. Invest in gold. God help us all.

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Reply#1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:29 AM EDT

It will hit here. It's funny how some people can't see it. You can ivest in gold, but also invest in a garden.

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#1.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:36 AM EDT

so..it's the Russians who stoped the riots from Cypriots?

Where is the US in such a critical moment?

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#1.2 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:08 AM EDT

Yes, marywhatever, food will be worth more than gold; and, learning how to grow your own food would be the best security, if you plan to stay in the states. Most of the wealthy are investing in land in South America, but for the average person who can't get away, learning proper gardening skills will be a life safer. Pity that we don't pass on gardening, sewing, cooking/preserving and other self-reliance skills to the next generation like we used to.

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#1.3 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:11 AM EDT

Our economy is a ponzi scam with the bankster accounting gimmicks and debt as its foundation.

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#1.4 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:13 AM EDT

Alan_static, the article I referenced to, convinced me that the American government (governments around the world, too), are indeed running an economic ponzi scheme duping the American people into believing that we are financially safe and secure. Google the website and article "50 reasons to seriously consider becoming a prepper financially or otherwise" because they elaborate on the government's ponzi scheme in giving us a false sense of security; the truth about the federal reserve etc. that will testify to what you stated.

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#1.5 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:46 AM EDT

Pigotry

Cyprus is to Russian what The Caymans are to the U.S. We don't need to step into Cyprus, because we have nothing to gain. The Russians, on the other hand, are saving their investment/savings there.

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#1.6 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:15 AM EDT

Get the idea?

URL and to post comments: http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2013/3/20/why-the-banking-system-would-make-lenin-proud.html

Wednesday,March 20, 2013

[Editor's Note: The following post is by TDV researcher,
Justin O'Connell]

“Without
big banks, socialism would be impossible.”
– Vladimir Lenin

Socialism is not crafted solely on the backs of standing human
or robotic armies, police, and bureaucracy.

The modern state must also possess an apparatus of big banks,
as Lenin wrote at the onset of the Bolshevik Revolution, for it is banks
which perform most accounting and financial recording. In socialism, banks
must be expanded, made more comprehensive and, in our globalized age, reach
worldwide.

And so naturally, the Obama administration plans to give
all US spy agencies full access to a large database containing the financial
data on US citizens and those who bank in the country, according to a
Treasury Department document dated March 4th.

US financial institutions and any financial institution on
Earth where an Amerikan does his or her banking must already file "suspicious
activity" reports for certain customer transactions (you’re considered
suspicious if you conduct “large money transfers”) to the Treasury’s
Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). Makes sense in the context of
Lenin who championed show trials of rich capitalists from the beginning
of the Soviet experiment simply to make them confess to their greed and the
millions it was costing Russia.

Financial
institutions in the US already file more than 15 million “suspicious
activity" reports every year, according to the Treasury Department. That
is on top of each and every required report on all personal cash transactions
in excess of $10,000.

Moreover, as Reuters points out, the FBI already enjoys full
access to this database. The CIA and NSA must make case-by-case requests for
information to FinCEN.

The Treasury program gives spy agencies more raw financial
data than ever. Calling for an all-out data-sharing orgy, the Treasury
planning document reads, “For these reports to be of value in detecting money
laundering, they must be accessible to law enforcement, counter-terrorism
agencies, financial regulators, and the intelligence community.” So, from
local law enforcement to, possibly, the global intelligence community, your
financial transactions will be monitored.

The USA Patriot Act and Bank Secrecy Act ensure that these
programs are perfectly legal.

The move “raises concerns as to whether people could find
their information in a file as a potential terrorist suspect without having
the appropriate predicate for that and find themselves potentially falsely
accused,” said Sharon Bradford Franklin, senior counsel for the Rule of Law
Program at the Constitution Project, a non-profit watchdog.

So, the more than 25,000 “financial” firms, like banks,
securities dealers, casinos, precious metals dealers, and money and wire
transfer agencies regularly file “suspicious activity reports.” Many of these
firms over-report. Those who run them are sufficiently brainwashed, anxious
and fearful like their wage-slave employees have grown to become. So your
local bank teller might be “dutifully” informing on you for national security
purposes.

This is fasco-communism, comrade. The state doesn't outright
own everything. But it does control everything. And it's watching.

In Lenin’s mind, “Capitalism had created an accounting
apparatus in the shape of banks, syndicates, postal service, consumers’
societies and office employees unions.” He made sure to illustrate the
importance
of big banks to Socialism:

“The big banks are the state apparatus which we need to bring
about socialism, and which we take-ready made from capitalism; our task here
is merely to lop off what capitalistically mutilates this excellent apparatus,
to make it even bigger, even more democratic, even more comprehensive…A
single State Bank the biggest of the big, with branches in every rural
district, in every factory, will constitute as much as nine-tenths of the
socialist apparatus. This will be country-wide book-keeping, country-wide
accounting of the production and distribution of goods, this will be, so to
speak, something in the nature of the skeleton of socialist society.”

Now, the US isn’t heading for the same sort of communism seen
in the SU (the US will have the indirect control of business seen in
fascism), although the SU is a great guide for how such a society functions.
With that said, we ought to look as well to characteristics of China’s
commercial communism of the past twenty years or so. Under this system, a
front of banks seemingly compete, but truly cooperate behind-the-scenes, as
if they were Lenin’s “single State Bank” in the name of “worker control.”
(The Russian word, kontrol, implies ‘checking’ and ‘regulation’ and not empowerment.)
What do all these banks have in common, behind their exterior of competition?
Well, for one, they all keep copious records of you. (That's why here at TDV
we urge you to get as much of your financial
business offshore as possible
.)

Justin
O’Connell, researcher for The Dollar
Vigilante
, studied History and German Language at Linfield College
in McMinnville, Oregon, where, in his spare time, he researched current events
and their relationship to history. In his studies he has found that societies
have been managed by philosophically-kindred ruling classes seeking
persistently a singular, total order across the planet. Justin does not
believe in government as a medium for human relationships, preferring instead
the race of human ideas stemming from a diverse, vibrant culture. Currently,
he is a proponent of physical silver as a means of wealth preservation and
disobedience to the financial system, and lives in southern California. He
writes at the Dollar Vigilante-inspired site, Silver Vigilante.

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#1.7 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:47 AM EDT

Russia in talks with Cyprus to take over their sovereignty.

Wait a minute...that is where the U.S. is at.....talking to the Chinese about paying down our debt via "GIVING" the Chinese American soil and natural resources as payment. Idaho would be a good place to start since Salazar has "taken over" much of Idaho for the Federal government.

Now we know why Geithner and H. (Benghazi) Clinton were continuously on trips to China, and why the Progressives want YOUR assault rifles banned.

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B707320C....."The Russians, on the other hand, are saving their investment/savings there."

Uuuuuuh !! The Russians want Cyprus because they need a port in the area for their WARSHIPS.

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#1.8 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:57 AM EDT

The Greeks will most likely sell the Island to the Russians.

    #1.9 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:17 PM EDT

    Hello folks, thank goodness many people are waking up to our financial reality. Even those with their head in the sand uttering la, la, la, la, la, la, la, if I don’t acknowledge it, it will go away, la, la, la, la, la are finally taking notice.

    Cyprus is the canary in the coal mine. The attempt by the banksters Troika of the European Commission (EC), European Central Bank (ECB) and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) are doubling down on their bank robbery of the Cyprus citizens continues. Germany’s Wolfgang Schauble (German Minister of Finance) is warning the spineless government of Nicos Anastasiades that if they don’t cave into their deposit levy fee on bank deposits, government tax, fraudulent embezzlement that the banks will never open. When does banksters’ extortion become outright theft? I think we all know the answer to that question.

    The Cyprus government is using fear porn just the same way our government has done in the wake of our economic crash of 2008. We the taxpayer gave the banksters 16 plus trillion bankster bailouts to date which doesn’t even include the 85 billion monopoly money per month being printed to prop up our economy, stock market and banks. We will not get back any of the 1.2 trillion a year that we are currently printing. Meanwhile, do you see a reduction in the bankers bonuses? No, they are breaking salary and bonus records.

    The massive bailouts continue with no end in sight. In January the Federal Reserve gave the European Central Bank 1.2 Trillion bailout in monopoly money and another 99 billion in the last week of February. This is a clear indication that all the major banks are linked at the hip. If little ole Cyprus is threatening the EU financial system it is definitely on its last leg.

    Now the European citizens are aware that their money is not safe. Should the US be concerned? Your damn right! Anybody with a Rothschild Central Bank is bankrupt and that is a fact! The test balloon that was being floated in Cyprus was a way to keep the banksters system afloat at the expense of the hard working peasantry and to see if the people would allow the theft.

    The questions us boiling frogs should be asking is:

    (1) how likely are savings to be bailed-in in any future bank rescues;

    (2) how likely are savings to emerge as a tax-base for any future wealth taxes?

    Who knows but one thing is for certain is we have continued to bail out the “Too Big to Fails and Jails” to our detriment. So if you think the banksters and the governments won’t throw us under the bus to keep the Fractional Reserve Banking fraud going, you haven’t been paying attention to MF Global, PFG and Cyprus.

    Folks, we are witnessing the biggest bank robbery in history and the banks are doing the robbing!

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    #1.10 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:39 PM EDT

    WTF. I came hear to read others thoughts on the tension between Iran and Isreal and on cue the usual nit-wits start sniping at President Obama. You hate the prez, yeah we get it, but some of us would like to discuss the issue at hand and not heat your bumper sticker Obama insults. It is so so old and you sound so petty!!

      #1.11 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:33 PM EDT

      Hello jeff,

      You said "nit-wits" "I came hear to read others thoughts on the tension between Iran and Isreal"

      This post is on Cyprus refusing the extortion from the European Union. Your welcome to join that discussion!

        #1.12 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:25 PM EDT
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        I agree cc cohen, that it is time for Americans and the rest of the world to wake up. China knows that the world financial system is on the brink of toatal ruin and they are protecting themselves by buying up as much gold, silver, copper and oil as they can. In years to come, paper money will be worthless in a market collapse and depression. Unfortunately, the average American person is not paying attention; or, they think that the government will save us when the crisis hits us full force. Cyprus should be careful because Russia does not have philanthropic intentions just like how China invested so much money in the states propelling us into a precarious position where a foreign power actually holds our future in their hands. I came across an informative website on exactly how our economic security is being chipped away so subtly that no one notices the real impact; and, how the federal reserve has no interest in propping up the American economy. If the federal reserve is not a government agency then who are the anonymous countries/people heading the federal reserve. Further, if the dollar is so low and becoming more worthless, where do the federal reserve bandits keep their own money? Also why hasn't the group anonymous exposed the people behind the federal reserve and their true intentions. Also within the website read "The Ten Things Every American Should Know About the Federal Reserve" and the article about kitty, the Nazi survivor, how she stated that the Nazis were subtle in taking over and the states is headed in the same direction if we are not careful.

        http://www.munknee.com/2013/01/50-reasons-to-seriously-consider-becoming-a-prepper-financially-or-otherwise/

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        Reply#2 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:59 AM EDT

        The EU mess won't clear up until the people of Europe realize that their governments can not support the from cradle to grave. They need to get off of their socialist butts and begin to get real jobs!

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        Reply#3 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:00 AM EDT

        TL409, that should be a lesson to the states, too, about our reliance on the government to take care of us! The economy is not cracking, because people are lazy-it is slowly being destroyed because of lack of proper management around the globe. Further, our commercial consumption, greed and over indulgence in things that we don't need. The pension, cradle to grave in Europe averages is between 700€-1,300€ per person, depending on which company you worked at, which does not keep up with inflation. Yes, as a whole it ads up, but not for the individual. Also Europeans pay higher taxes than in the states which helps pay into the retirement funds, so they are only getting back what they put in.

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        #3.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:20 AM EDT
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        I'm a happy liberal... I don't understand why they just can't raise the taxes on the wealthy?

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        Reply#4 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:03 AM EDT

        Worldof Morons, good question; but, a better question, perhaps, is why we don't hold our house of representatives and senators accountable by making them tax the wealthy. Unfortunately, humans don't make a change until they are motivated by some charismatic president to pave the way and guide us. We must stop waiting for the perfect leader and make a change cohesively as "We the People!" Bombard governors, mayors, senators, congressmen and any other public officials with e-mails, letters, phone calls, petitions etc to force them to listen to the average joe/joette.

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        #4.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:27 AM EDT

        Because the people there...unlike here are not stupid Libs they took to the streets to keep the government from stealing their money like the gov does here.

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        #4.2 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:08 PM EDT
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        What's it going to take for a real banking crisis? When is the USA finally going to get one?

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        Reply#5 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:12 AM EDT

        Google Hazem Bader

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        Reply#6 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:21 AM EDT

        Cheryl Haque, that is an interesting situation. There are so many sneaky devils in the world like Hazem bader; but, what does that have to do with the economic crisis in Cyprus? Americans need to be careful, because we will be in the same situation one day, where our bank accounts will be frozen for the government and ATM machines will be out of money when people storm them or they will systematically be blocked, like Cyprus, where you can't even get to your own money. Don't rely on the the federal reserves bank guarantee that you will get your money in a time of crisis. When people can't get their money there will be deadly chaos unlike in Cyprus where it was relatively civil.

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        #6.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:35 AM EDT
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        Pigotry, the U.S.A. does not need to get involved, because we are already in debt. Besides, the European Union has billions of dollars in funds for those types of situations. The problem is that Cyprus, which is part of the European Union, must jump through the hoops that the EU sets, before they get the money which is nearly impossible to oblige without hurting their own people. I find it concerning that the EU still allows Great Britain, Sweden, and Denmark to keep their own currency, because the British Pound is worth more than the Euro. Moreover, Switzerland, is not in the EU (they are labeled, EEA, European Economic Area),even though hey receive fringe benefits of the EU, yet, maintain their neutrality and their Swiss Franc which is more valuable than the Euro. If those countries put their money in the pot, the bankrupt EU countries could get a better bailout. Why don't the EU countries demand that they change over to the Euro?

          Reply#7 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:01 AM EDT

          The EU has bailed out at least four countries in the past three years. Portugal, Spain, Italy, and Greece. The biggest contributor to the bailouts has been GERMANY. How long can they be expected to maintain the level of bailouts? One semi decent economy amongst the entire EU.

          What happens when everyone is broke, including the countries giving the loans?

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          #7.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:01 AM EDT

          Forever, China is buying up the BMW's.

            #7.2 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:09 AM EDT
            Reply

            Russia will borrow the money from the US then loan it to Cyprus in a Amscott Cash Advance payday loan.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#8 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:06 AM EDT

            If we charge a higher interest rate we can repay China and use the proceeds to.....................study fat lesbians?

              #8.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:06 AM EDT

              What about the the skinny ones and the fat and skinny gays ?

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              #8.2 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:26 AM EDT
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              Yikes, I just saw all my typos, spelling errors and run on sentences from fervently typing so fast with a passion e.g. add, total etc... This is for the spelling and grammar Nazis-no need to point out my errors. I am already aware. Thx :)

                Reply#9 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:11 AM EDT

                Obama is right at home with his Muslim Brotherhood and loving it!

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                Reply#10 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:12 AM EDT

                We sure need to improve our educational system.

                  Reply#11 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:13 AM EDT

                  Interesting read. You all get it but people still voted it or didn't vote at all . Fascinating. So what was your plan? Eat aborted babies and left overs from gay wedding parties?

                  Yes, The US should be bailing out Cyprus and we should have a naval base there and happy landlords.

                    Reply#12 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:05 AM EDT

                    Why is everyone missing the point of why Russia is so interested in providing the bailout? Cyprus is a very stable nation compared to the unstable Syria which Russia is about to lose as a naval base. Cyprus will be a grand catch and a far better strategic placement for a significant naval force in the Mediterranean.

                    • 1 vote
                    Reply#13 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:15 AM EDT

                    Well, at least one thing is for sure. Greek is not the language of finance!

                      Reply#14 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:47 AM EDT

                      Those as would sup with auld clootie had best have a long spoon.

                      The realities are simple: Greece got leveraged by the banksters.

                      Their currency was bought low, leveraged to higher values before Greece entered the EU, and then, when the Euro became the de facto currency, Greece was forced to buy its old currency back at grossly inflated rates.

                      Voila- instant profit for the banksters- instant massive debt for Greece- and a marvelous opportunity for Russia.

                      Russia is not a safe business partner- and stands to gain a new port of considerable strategic value from the deal- as well as the leverage to seriously hamper the fleet operations of the United States.

                      Greece may very well be going from the frying pan into the fire- and only time will tell whether or not Russia sincerely intends to help- or intends to engage in a quiet fiscal conquest.

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                      Reply#15 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:03 AM EDT

                      You mean Cyprus. Though, I understand the confusion.

                        #15.1 - Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:39 PM EDT
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                          Reply#16 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:10 AM EDT

                          OK crazies it's the banksters, Illuminati, Bilderberg, Fed, fractional banking, Obama, Rothchilds, gays, god & guns causing the problems in Cyprus. Did I miss anything?

                            Reply#17 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:20 PM EDT

                            What do you think is the cause? Is there really even a crisis?

                              #17.1 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:29 PM EDT
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                              In other news in Cyprus, the police and the people there are forming up ranks against each other as the banker cash nears depletion:

                              http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-21/euro-official-cyprus-markets-believe-we-will-find-solution-might-not-be-case-we-have

                                Reply#18 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:29 PM EDT

                                Lot of good times in Cyprus, I hope they get it worked out.

                                  Reply#19 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:09 PM EDT

                                  i think your all missing the big picture here. russia is poised to loose their naval base in syria and cyprus is just a hop skip and a jump away and a lot more stable. they would be foolish to not lend a helping hand with some minir strings attached.

                                    Reply#20 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:36 PM EDT

                                    Why do Libs care about Russian bases? The goal is Communism anyway.

                                      Reply#21 - Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:15 PM EDT

                                      Sharky....

                                      Yep...you just about covered it all, except all those advocates of 'Cupid's Back Alley Postboxes',

                                      who, in the stands will next champion the bestalities trying on their track shoes.

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