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Pope Francis, left, and Pope emeritus Benedict XVI pray together in Castel Gandolfo Saturday, in this photo provided by the Vatican paper L'Osservatore Romano.
Pope Francis and his predecessor Benedict prayed together before having lunch in a historic meeting Saturday.
The new pontiff flew to the papal residence at Castel Gandolfo in the Alban Hills outside of Rome by helicopter Saturday. Pope Benedict XVI has been living there since he resigned Feb. 28, becoming the first pope to step down in 600 years.
Both men wore white papal outfits.
Father Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman, said that Benedict and Francis had embraced at the helipad, then went to a private chapel to pray.
Pope Francis and his predecessor Benedict prayed together before having lunch in a historic meeting Saturday. NBC's Lester Holt reports.
Benedict, who looked frail and walked with a cane, told Francis to kneel in front of the altar, but Francis said, "let's kneel together" and they did so, Lombardi said.
"We're brothers," Francis reportedly told the former pope as the two prayed together on the same prie dieu.
They then had a private conversation for about 40 minutes in the library, before going to lunch.
Francis presented Benedict with a gift of an icon of the Virgin Mary.
“When I saw this picture of the Madonna of Humility, my thoughts turned immediately to you,” Francis told his predecessor, according to Eurovision News.
The Associated Press reported that crowds gathered near then villa in the hope of catching a glimpse of history.
The news agency speculated about what the two men would discuss:
The two popes might discuss the big issues facing the church: The rise of secularism in the world, the drop in priestly vocations in Europe, the competition that the Catholic Church faces in Latin America and Africa from evangelical Pentecostal movements.
They might also discuss pressing issues concerning Francis' new job: Benedict left a host of unfinished business on Francis' plate, including the outcome of a top-secret investigation into the leaks of papal documents last year.
Francis might want to sound Benedict out on his ideas for management changes in the Holy See administration, a priority given the complete dysfunctional government he has inherited.
They might also discuss the future of Monsignor Georg Gaenswein, Benedict's trusted aide who has had the difficult task of escorting his old pope into retirement and then returning to the Vatican to serve his successor.
Gaenswein has appeared visibly upset and withdrawn at times as he has been by Francis' side. The Vatican has said Francis' primary secretary will be Monsignor Alfred Xuereb, who had been the No. 2 secretary under Benedict.
NBC News' Ian Johnston and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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This story was originally published on Sat Mar 23, 2013 7:56 AM EDT
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They must discuss how Radical Muslims are predominantly infiltrating Christian countries and how to stop the threat.
WOW...this fraternity is for eternity
Ya think after lunch they said " this was good, we should do it again sometime"!! How about 3/23/2613?
Hello folks, this picture would be complete if they were handcuffed together. At best these two are pedophile and Dictator enablers. At worst they are Liberace impersonators.
They are mortal men folks:
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subject to death; having a transitory life: all mortal creatures.
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of or pertaining to human beings as subject to death; human: this mortal life.
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belonging to this world.
Church pedophilia settlements:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settlements/
Pope Benedict XVI: As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and as such, he was responsible for exposing and turning over to authorities priests accused of raping children.
His biggest crime involved Marcel Marcial, the Jesuit priest and founder of the Legions of Christ. Marcial was a pederast, a womanizer, married two women and then raped his own children and sexually assaulted his seminarians. By the late fifties Marciel was already subjected to a canonical process for accusations of pederasty. Despite the evidence, the Roman Curia chose to take no action. In 1965 Rome officially recognized the congregation of Legionaries. Maciel had a knack for ingratiating himself with important people in the Vatican bureaucracy and the religious elites of the business classes in the countries to which his organization spread. From the end of the seventies right up to the early nineties he was an active promoter of John Paul II’s trips to Mexico. At the end of the nineties the Vatican received documentation on another suit against Maciel for pederasty, this time from several former Legionaries. Ratzinger, who was the head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith at the time, chose to shelve it so John Paul II wouldn’t have to quarrel with Maciel. Not until 2006, once he was Pope Benedict XVI, did Ratzinger decide to punish the Legion’s founder, but tried to do it with a low profile. He ordered Maciel to leave Rome, renounce all priestly public ministries and lead the life of a recluse. In early 2008, Maciel died without ever facing justice for his serious crimes. So from the late 50′s until 2006, the RCC knew about what Marciel was doing. As Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he also knew what Marciel was doing, but it took 50 years to actually do something about him and then it was basically a slap on the wrist. When Ratzinger was a cardinal, he too protected Maciel. In 1998 he blocked the case and in 2001 modified the Canonical Code of Law to give Maciel a way out: the crime of absolving an accomplice would have a 10-year statute of limitations. This gave the abuser an escape route and left the victims with no possibility of proving their accusations in court.
Now his second biggest crime involves that for decades, a group of men who were sexually abused as children byRev. Lawrence C. Murphy at a school for the deaf in Wisconsin reported to every type of official they could think of that he was a danger, according to the victims and church documents. They told other priests. They told three archbishops of Milwaukee. They told two police departments and the district attorney. They used sign language, written affidavits and graphic gestures to show what exactly Father Murphy had done to them. But their reports fell on the deaf ears of hearing people. Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, received letters about Father Murphy in 1996 from Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland of Milwaukee, who said that the deaf community needed “a healing response from the Church.” The Vatican sat on the case, then equivocated, and when Father Murphy died in 1998, he died a priest. Father Murphy may have molested as many as 200 boys while he worked at the school from 1950 to 1974, according to the accounts of victims and a social worker hired by the Archdiocese of Milwaukee to interview him.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan: From failing to report direct admissions from abusive priests, to actively lobbying against reforming statutes of limitations on child sexual abuse cases in Wisconsin. The archbishop’s track record is consistent with the Catholic Church’s record of covering up child sex abuse allegations.
First we have the case of Priest Franklyn W. Becker. Among the documents submitted in support a complaint presented to the ICC by the Center for Constitutional Rights and Survivors Network for those Abused by Priests, are letters between Dolan and then-Cardinal Ratzinger concerning Father Franklyn Becker. Becker was diagnosed as a pedophile as early as 1983 when serving in Milwaukee and, though the archdiocese of Milwaukee knew he continued to re-offend, Becker was nonetheless allowed to continue to work in several parishes. It was only when Becker was arrested in California in 2003 for the sexual assault of a child that Dolan wrote to Ratzinger requesting that Becker be defrocked. Ratzinger’s office replied that Dolan should inquire whether Becker would voluntarily request his own defrocking rather than be laicized involuntarily by the Vatican. A 2003 letter from then-Milwaukee Archbishop Timothy Dolan shows he was more concerned about the church’s reputation than the actions of an abusive priest. Dolan wrote the letter to then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in May 2003, asking that Becker be defrocked after allegations of repeated sexual abuse of children that dated back to at least 1970. Dolan wrote the letter about two weeks after Becker was arrested in California for an alleged sexual assault there in the 1970s. Dolan, who became Milwaukee’s archbishop in June 2002, wrote that a trial and possible civil lawsuits “make the potential for true scandal very real.” n the letter, Dolan said Becker was diagnosed as an “impulsive pedophile” in 1983. After another allegation, a psychological assessment was again done in 1996 that indicated “the potential for future recurrence of past behavior existed,” according to Dolan’s letter. Dolan became archbishop 11 months before he asked that Becker be defrocked and it took the Vatican another 1 1/2 years to defrock Becker. Claims have been made that Dolan only took action because of Becker’s arrest. Clergy Cases I & III, JCCP 4286 and 4359, June 18, 2007, at *17 (Facts concerning former priest Franklyn Becker of the Archdiocese of Milwaukee demonstrates that he has dangerous propensities to harm children. In sworn testimony, Becker testified about his attraction to boys, his interest in the Man/Boy Love Association, his leanings toward being attracted to post pubescent boys and that he gave names of people to the Archdiocese that might come forward with allegations. (Becker’s sworn statement taken August 7, 2006)
Next we have the case of Harlem pastor Msgr. Wallace A. Harris, Dolan’s handling of child sex abuse cases has not changed since his Milwaukee and St. Louis days. In 2010, Harris, who had been accused of sexually assaulting more than 10 boys, was allowed to step down under a false pretense. Dolan, who by this time was already Archbishop of New York, quietly let him do so without informing the authorities or warning parishioners. More than a year and a half after the fact, the Vatican admonished him to live “a life of prayer and penance.” Due to the statute of limitations in New York, Harris has avoided criminal charges. Harris, a one-time possible candidate for bishop, was accused by an NYPD officer and nine other men of molesting them while they were attending Cathedral Preparatory Seminary. Archbishop Timothy Dolan quietly let Msgr. Wallace A. Harris, resign from his Harlem parish and left the impression that Harris is stepping aside because of alleged health problems. The first man to reveal having been violated by Harris is a former police officer, Eric Crumbley. Crumbley is now a minister and he disclosed his name when he stepped forward.
Then you have Cardinal Timothy Dolan accused of moving money around to avoid paying on suits: A Wisconsin lawyer representing victims of sexual abuse by Catholic clergy says he suspects that New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan hid $130 million in order to avoid paying molestation settlements. Prior to his present assignment, Dolan was Archbishop of Milwaukee. The lawyer, Jeffrey R. Anderson, who represents clients in 23 lawsuits against the Milwaukee Archdiocese, said $75 million disappeared from the church’s investments in 2005. He said that $55 million more that had previously been unaccounted for appeared in a cemetery trust in 2008, and that the archdiocese claimed that money in that fund was protected by state law and could not be used for payouts. In an interview on Sunday, Mr. Anderson said that the first transfer coincided with a 2005 ruling by the Wisconsin Supreme Court that allowed abuse lawsuits to proceed despite a statute of limitations. He said the second transfer occurred around the time of a similar ruling in 2007. Archbishop Dolan led the Archdiocese of Milwaukee from 2002 to 2009, when he was chosen to lead the Archdiocese of New York.
Lastly we have proof of Dolans true feelings towards victims and the statue of limitations he fights so hard against changes made to it. When New York sought to end the one year statue of limitations against child sex abuse, Cardinal Dolan cried about it. Dolan explained that he wanted to keep the statute of limitations for child sex abuse victims to one-year, because if the church gets sued, “The perpetrators don’t suffer. There’s no burden on them. What suffers are the services and the ministries of the apostolates that we’re doing now. Because where does the money come from? So the bishops of 30 years ago that allegedly may have reassigned abusers, they don’t suffer. They’re dead. So the people that suffer are those who are being served right now by the church. We feel that’s a terribly unjust burden.” This statement alone shows that Cardinal Timothy Dolan does not care one bit about the suffering of the abused or the unjust burden they carry. This statement shows that Cardinal Timothy Dolan cares more about the suffering and unjust burdens the Roman Catholic Church will face if these statue of limitations are changed so victims can finally seek justice against those who harmed them and those who covered up these crimes.
Cardinal Bernard Law:
The Case of Paul Shanley Cardinal Bernard F. Law, the once-powerful archbishop of Boston whose support has been eroding for months, suffered serious damage to his credibility yesterday with the release of hundreds of documents showing that he repeatedly and knowingly allowed an alleged serial pedophile to hold posts that allowed him access to children. No longer can Law say that he didn’t protect priests accused of misconduct: He promoted the Rev. Paul R. Shanley to pastor of a Newton church, gave him a clean bill of health to minister to Catholics in California, and endorsed his running a Catholic hostel in New York despite three decades of sexual abuse allegations against Shanley and documents claiming that Shanley had declared acceptable sex between men and boys and had declared that no sexual practice, including bestiality, causes psychic damage. No longer can Law say that he always acted based on the best medical information available to him. He praised Shanley for ”years of generous and zealous care” and an ”impressive record” after a church-ordered psychiatric evaluation found Shanley to have ”a great deal of psychological pathology.’ ‘Furthermore, Law’s predecessor had referred to Shanley in writing as a ”troubled priest,” and one of Law’s own priests had written ”it is clear to me that Paul Shanley is a sick person.” No longer can Law say that his first priority has been the people priests are ordained to serve—the stacks of documents produced yesterday provide no evidence that Law ever expressed a concern or a kind word about Shanley’s alleged victims, who number at least 26. Documents show that Law’s administration told a California diocese that Shanley was ”a priest in good standing”—even as scandals here made it important for the archdiocese of Boston to hustle Shanley out of town—and show that Law’s only expressed concern about Shanley’s later move to a New York hostel run by nuns was the possibility of negative publicity. In an extraordinary moment of drama, one of Shanley’s alleged victims yesterday called on God to punish Law, nearly 10 years after the cardinal used similar language to call on God to punish the news media for reporting on the case of pedophile priest the Rev. James R. Porter. ”You are a liar; your own documents condemn you. You are a criminal, a murderer of children; you degrade the office you hold in the church; you are an affront to Jesus Christ; and I call on Almighty God to bear witness to the foulness and treachery of your behavior, the evil you have nurtured and condoned, and the minds, hearts, and souls you have destroyed,” said Arthur Austin. ”Bernard Law, today I am the one who is calling … the wrath of God upon you.” Documents show the archdiocese’s shuffling of serial pedophile John J. Geoghan was not an anomaly. And the records find few heroes among church leaders—three cardinals of Boston, and multiple bishops, were aware of Shanley’s sickness, and yet each allowed him to continue working with children, despite complaints from a priest, inquiries by concerned nuns, allegations by laypeople, and a negative psychological diagnosis. Over and over, high church officials, including Law, treated Shanley with kindness and sympathy.
The Case of Rev John J Geoghan: At Blessed Sacrament in Saugus 1962-1966 The Rev. Anthony Benzevich reportedly tells church officials that Geoghan brings boys into his bedroom. Benzevich later denies it. In 1995, Geoghan admits molesting four boys over 2 1/2 years while at Blessed Sacrament in Saugus. About 1968 Hingham father complains to church authorities that he caught Geoghan molesting his son, one of several accusations that emerged from St. Paul’s. At St Pauls in Hingham About 1968 Treated at Seton Institute, Baltimore. Early 1970s Joanne Mueller, single mother and member of St. Mary’s parish, Melrose, says Geoghan molested her four young boys at this time. Mueller says she informed the Rev. Paul E. Miceli at St. Mary’s. Mueller also says Miceli asked her to keep quiet. The family later sues and settles. Miceli disputes her account. Sept. 8, 1970 Humberto Medeiros named archbishop of Boston. Appointed cardinal on March 5, 1973. Cardinal Richard J. Cushing dies Nov. 2, 1970. At St Andrews, Jamacia Plains 1977-1978 Geoghan is accused of molesting seven boys in the extended Dussourd family. Six of the children and the mothers later file suits, which are settled. Feb. 9, 1980 The Rev. John E. Thomas tells Bishop Thomas V. Daily that Geoghan admitted to molesting the Dussourd children. Daily calls up Geoghan and tells him to go home. Geoghan admits the abuse and says he “does not feel it serious or a pastoral problem.” Feb. 12, 1980 Placed on sick leave. Counseling ordered by Medeiros. Geoghan undergoes psychoanalysis and psychotherapy with Drs. Robert Mullins and John H. Brennan. At St Brenden’s in Dorchester Early 1980s Allegedly rapes and fondles Jamaica Plain boy. (Criminal counts 1 and 2 for the pending Suffolk trial. )July 24, 1982 Dussourds complain to Daily that Geoghan met one of the molested Dussourd children at an ice cream shop in Jamaica Plain. Was allegedly also seen there with another boy. Aug. 10, 1982 Margaret Gallant writes to Medeiros, complains that Geoghan is “still functioning,” despite molesting her nephews, the Dussourds. Sept. 17, 1983 Medeiros dies. March 23, 1984 Bernard F. Law installed as archbishop of Boston. Appointed cardinal on May 25, 1985. Sept. 18, 1984 Law removes Geoghan from parish after complaints he molested boys there. At St Julia’s in Weston Nov. 13, 1984 Assigned by Law to St. Julia’s, where Monsignor Francis Rossiter is “aware of past allegations.” Geoghan is put in charge of three youth groups, including altar boys. Dec. 7, 1984 Auxiliary Bishop John M. D’Arcy writes to Law and complains about Geoghan’s assignment to St. Julia’s because of his “history of homosexual involvement with young boys.” Dec. 11, 1984 Dr. Mullins: Geoghan “fully recovered.” Dec. 14, 1984 Dr. Brennan: no restrictions on his work as a parish priest. Feb. 26, 1985 D’Arcy appointed bishop of Fort Wayne/South Bend, Ind. 1986 Patrick McSorley of Hyde park says he is molested by Geoghan. Geoghan allegedly molests boys at the Waltham Boys & Girls Club. Bishop Robert J. Banks is told Geoghan is accused of molesting boy at a pool. March 9, 1989 Banks learns of another 1986 accusation. April 3-12, 1989 St. Luke’s Institute, Maryland. Diagnosis: homosexual pedophilia. April 28, 1989 Geoghan is told by Bishop Robert J. Banks he had to leave ministry. May 24 – Nov. 17, 1989 Placed on sick leave. Aug. 10, 1989 – Nov. 4, 1989 Treated at Institute of Living, Hartford. Called “moderately improved” on release and recommendation is that he be returned to assignment. Nov. 30, 1989 Banks is unhappy with the Discharge Summary from the Institute for Living because it is different from what he understood and he used it to base his decision on allowing Geoghan to return to St. Julia’s. Dec. 13, 1989 Letter to Banks explaining the Discharge Summary: “The probability he would act out again is quite low. However, we could not guarantee that it would not re-occur.” Return to parish OK’d. Nov. 28, 1990 Note from Banks: “I would recommend him for parish, but decision left up to [another bishop] and BFL”–Cardinal Law. Dec. 7, 1990 Letter from Dr. Brennan: Geoghan OK for pastoral work. Oct. 23, 1991 Complaint about Geoghan “proselytizing” at a pool with a boy.While at Regina Cleri residence for retired priests April 4, 1994 Mother says Geoghan abused her son while he was at St. Paul’s in Hingham. Geoghan denies the accusation. Nov. 1994 Single mother from Waltham calls church to say Geoghan molested her four boys and made obscene phone calls to them. Placed on pre-trial probation. The case was dropped. Jan. 16-25, 1995 St. Luke’s report states: He “has a long history of pedophilic behavior … Father Geoghan should have no interpersonal contact with male minors that is unsupervised.” 1995 Geoghan allegedly molests a Weymouth boy, including at the christening of boy’s sister. (Criminal counts 3 and 4 in Suffolk.) July 29, 1996 Spends four to six months in Southdown Institute, Ontario, for therapy. 1998 Geoghan defrocked. Church settles 50 sex abuse cases against Geoghan for more than $10 million; 84 other cases pending.
Bishop Robert Finn: Bishop Finn is the first American bishop and the highest-ranking U.S. Catholic clergyman to be found guilty in an abuse case.
The trial scrutinized the response of Bishop Finn and the diocese to the case of Father Shawn Ratigan, a diocesan priest. A technician found numerous lewd images of children, mostly prepubescent girls, on the priest’s laptop. He informed a deacon, who reported the finding to diocesan officials on Dec. 16, 2010.
The following day, the priest attempted suicide after diocesan officials informed him that they had discovered some of the images. Bishop Finn had delegated the investigation of sexual-abuse claims to Msgr. Robert Murphy, the diocese’s vicar general. However, Msgr. Murphy did not contact law enforcement about the images until May 11, 2011.
Bishop Finn was told about the pictures by the vicar general but never saw them himself. In the facts presented at his trial, Bishop Finn acknowledged that he is a mandated child abuse reporter under Missouri law.
The Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph also faced charges on the same two counts, but they were dismissed. Lawyers for the Diocese of Kansas City-St. Joseph said that Bishop Finn’s agreement to a bench trial led to the dismissal of the charges against the diocese. Bishop Finn’s lawyers, Gerald Handley, J.R. Hobbs and Marilyn Keller, said that the bench trial avoided the need for live testimony from diocesan employees, parishioners and others.
However, they also said the diocese’s operating procedures “failed to adequately identify the necessity” to inform the government of the priest’s behavior “in a more timely manner.” “For this, the bishop is truly sorry,” the lawyers said.
In the wake of Father Ratigan’s arrest, Bishop Finn appointed Todd Graves, a former U.S. Department of Justice official who has worked on child-exploitation cases, to investigate the sequence of events that began after concerns were first raised about Father Ratigan’s behavior around children a year earlier. That report was released in August 2011, and it concluded that diocesan policy on reporting suspected child abuse was not followed in a timely manner.
Further, when faced with disturbing pictures found on the priest’s laptop and related problems, Church officials relied on limited professional judgments instead of the diocese’s independent review board.
The investigation also determined that once the priest was removed from his parish and told to stay away from children and computers Bishop Finn wrongly placed his trust in Father Ratigan to comply with restrictions placed upon his behavior. The guilty verdict addresses Bishop Finn’s failure to report suspected abuse during this five-month time period leading up to Father Ratigan’s arrest in May 2011.
Saint Patrick School May 19, 2010 Concerns reported to Principal Julie Hess “I seek to fulfill my responsibility as school principal in relaying a growing body of parent and teacher concerns regarding Pastor Shawn Ratigan’s perceived inappropriate behavior with children.
Parents, staff members and parishioners are discussing his actions and whether or not he may be a child molester. They have researched pedophilia on the Internet and brought in sample articles with examples of how Father Shawn’s actions fit the profile of a child predator. I am worried about Father, about our school, and about losing our families to the negative impact of gossip and rumors.”
“In accordance with the diocesan Children’s Safety Curriculum, and in light of the priest abuse scandal in the Catholic Church and its devastating effects, I would recommend that priests across the diocese observe appropriate “Circle of Grace” physical boundaries for our children, instead of blurring and crossing those boundaries.
We would expect Father Shawn to model, teach and practice the Child Safety guidelines across all settings in the church and in the school, and not insist that he has a right to “be close” to children or tell teachers that he knows the rules.”
“Although concerns about Father Shawn surfaced early in the school year, in the last week they have grown much stronger. The proverbial “straw that broke the camel’s back” was reported to me by phone (I was in St. Louis) last Thursday, May 13, 2010. During a school field trip to Platte Falls, Father allowed a fourth grade girl to sit on his lap and lean her body back against him. He did not immediately move to re-direct her; she sat there for at least five minutes, until teachers moved to stand next to him. Then he rose and went to play Frisbee with a group of students.”
When he realized this situation was bigger than the thought, he called me over to the parish office and said it was just a “heads up” about rumors that were swirling around. When I mentioned that he had wanted to discuss a “teacher” issue, he told me that the first grad teacher, “who is not Catholic”, interferes when students try to get close to him at recess. I explained our safety training and the importance of teaching physical boundaries and his “Circle of Grace” to out children. He interrupted to tell me that little children need to be touched and hugged, and even though “they” advised against it, he felt it was the right thing for kids. He said he would never hurt a child and all he wants to do is help them all get to heaven. At the end of the short conversation, he said that maybe he should just quit being involved in the school all together. I assured him that no one wanted that, and I wanted to say more, but I could tell it just wasn’t the time.”
“The concerns fall into several categories: 1) inappropriate physical contact with children; 2) inappropriate behavior; and 3) general concerns.” “
When first grade Brownie Girl Scouts were planting flowers in Father Shawn’s Home garden, a parent reported to me that her husband became “incensed” when he saw Father rubbing circles on his daughter’s back. The dad immediately called his daughter over to him to get him away from Father and texted his wife that Father had better keep his hands to himself or there would be trouble . . . ”
“In September, teachers expressed concerns about Father interrupting their classes, sharing inappropriate information with students, and not setting physical boundaries for himself with the kids. At the next faculty meeting, the teachers agreed to intervene and directly tell the children not to jump on Father, not to hang on his legs, and not to put their hands in his pockets any more . . .”
“In October, Father seemed to be “obsessed” — as a staff member put it — with one of the fifth grade girls. he was constantly talking about her, and wondering aloud to office workers, and teachers, “I don’t know why so-and-so doesn’t like me.” He also described their conversations and interactions, as if other adults would be as interested in them as he was. Another staff member brought it up at a Parish Staff meeting as a concern, in terms of his apparent emotional involvement in the situation and the inappropriateness of his “peer-to-peer” relationship with the student.”
Teachers report that Father spends a great deal of time talking with the girls in that particular class, saying, “He’s always talking to them.”
“They were somewhat disturbed with the inside of Father’s home. “It’s very kid-friendly,” one mother said. “There is a big fish tank in the living room and stuffed animals all over the furniture.” There is a giant stuffed animal on the bed in the guest room and the kitchen hand towels are shaped to look like doll clothes. The mother told me, “I got the willies all over.”
Earlier that day, this same woman had found a pair of girl’s panties inside one of the planters in Father’s back yard.
She told me she’s not sure if her daughters will attend any school field trips that Father goes on and that Father has raised the warning-bell instincts of numerous moms. She added that he’s established no boundaries with kids “and it’s clear he wants it to stay that way.”
“Father always wants to play with the kids in Physical Education classes. The P.E. teacher has told me that Father has no personal boundaries, the children flock to him, their hands are all over him, and their hands are in his pockets. Other teachers have had to step in and say to the kids “That’s not appropriate!” and hoped that Father would get the hint.
Staff members have expressed concern that Father seems unwilling to find the time to meet with them to discuss parish issues; one in particular has tried numerous times to set up a meeting with him to no avail. They believe that Father spends so much time at school he isn’t able to get other important things done. Father is at school every day for long periods of time. He is usually present at arrival time, during morning prayer, recess, lunch, dismissal, and after school. He also visits the early childhood center most of every day.
Bishop Joseph Imesch: 26 years a bishop, defended accused clerics, saying they were good priests who exercised poor judgment and were victims of smear campaigns and reckless media coverage. Bishop Joseph Imesch retired in May 2006.
Bishop Imesch had a long history of covering up pedophilia, transferring at least four accused priests inside his diocese without alerting parishioners. And he brought in a convicted child molester, the Rev. Gary Berthiaume, who had served as an associate pastor under him at a Detroit church years earlier.
Meanwhile, the Archdiocese of St. Louis removed two priests it had accepted from Joliet, the Rev. Fred Lenczycki and the Rev. J. Anthony Meis, saying that Bishop Imesch had not disclosed past allegations against them when recommending them for transfers. The bishop has denied that assertion.
Early in 2002, he said that some people are not traumatized by sexual abuse and that some priests who molest adolescents should be allowed back into ministry after therapy, but in late May 2002, he changed to support “zero tolerance” policy after the bishops approved it in Dallas: “I am sorry for any pain I have caused victims, their families, parishioners and others,” he wrote. “I feel that some of the criticisms directed at me were harsh, but I hope that I have learned from them.”.
Rev. Gary D. Berthiaume was convicted and received 6 months in jail 1978 for abusing a 12 years-old boy who received $325,000 settlement in the 1980s. The victim went on to have his own pedophilia problems. Berthiaume was kept in a parish in the Archdiocese of Detroit for most of the 1980s without telling the congregation about his prior molestation conviction. A priest assigned to monitor him, the Rev. Allen Bruening, himself previously had been removed from a parish because of abuse allegations and was made director of a Catholic high school. Berthiaume was transferred again, to the Diocese of Joliet, IL, until he was removed from his post as chaplain in a suburban Chicago hospital when allegations of old abuse occurred, 2002.
Rev. Frederick A. Lenczycki (Fred), ordained 21 October 1972, had a history of sexual abusing as many as 30 boys, many from Chicago’s suburbs, which began after his ordination and continued through his 2004 conviction for the crimes committed at St. Isaac Jogues Parish in Hinsdale. He was accused in Joliet, moved to St. Louis and was removed when old allegations surfaced. Because Lenczycki left the state in 1984, shortly after more than a dozen young boys at St. Isaac Jogues Parish in Hinsdale accused him of molesting them, the statute of limitations had not yet run out, ruled DuPage County Circuit Judge Ann B. Jorgensen, 18 June 2003. Removed from ministry 2002. Convicted 2004. It appears that he had more than two dozen from about six assignments in Illinois, California and Missouri over several years.
Rev. J. Anthony Meis, ordained 15 August 1972, hospital chaplain, had substantiated allegations of sexual abuse of minors made against him, settled. Removed from ministry 2002.
Some one get Frank an exorcist. He's obsessed. Obsessed, possessed, whatever.
That's it Carl Heidelberg - Kill the messenger!!!
People like you are why pedophiles get away with it.
That's a great agenda, Frank LaFerriere.
Francis has a big job.
1. Get to the bottom of the scandals and prevent them from repeating.
2. Make the church more responsive to the needs of its people and less responsive to the wishes of the hierarchy of the Vatican and the cardinals. They always told us that the church is the people.
Frank, Frank, Frank -
I am worried about you man -
This sounds like your own personal crusade.
Sounds like your are close to blowing a gasket!
Let it go man - you are poisoning no one but yourself, but if your rant was a catharsis, good for you!
Frank's crusade is about all the child abuse committed by the clergy over all those years.
Frank thinks that something should be done to prevent it from continuing.
Hello Frank, Catholics don't want to hear the truth. They will do anything to justify their religion as they think they have to except pedophilia to gain "salvation". What the Catholics and the Vatican are starting to understand is that the people have had enough of their corruption and will no longer tolerate it or those who do. Besides the pedophilia which remains rampant, the Vatican has also been caught laundering money for the Drug cartels and terrorists.
You will not get the brainwashed to except these facts, but thanks for pointing out what should be obvious to these pedophile enablers and financier's of this corrupt abhorrent institution.
Church pedophilia settlements:
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/settlements/
I'd say Frank has a bad case of hatred on steroids.
What Frank posted is one of the reasons why I renounced my faith in the Catholic Church in 1991. I was raised Roman Catholic and confirmed by the Bishop but I could not continue to support an organization that protected pedophiles, committed crimes such as sheltering war crimes via ratlines as well as using the Vatican bank for laundering money.
Those men may claim to be men of god but their actions are criminal.
I am now a secular humanist and a supporter of the Unitarian Church.
Too bad 3thirty3 and your two blow buddies that you all seem to love the fact that the leaders of the RCC are pedophile protectors. You sure the hell love defending them on all the postings I put up against them.
You can all try your damnest to stop me, but guess what? It is not going to happen. You all stand up for your pedophiles and diss the messenger.
Damn right I have a bad case of hatred on steroids. But see I have a thing against these holy rollers, the ones who preach morality to all of us, but have no damn morals themselves. They have absolutely no problem condemning homosexuality, birth control, etc but when it comes time to raping children, they are experts at subterfuge, placing the blame on the victims, making excuses like how pedophiles should not be prosecuted, fight changes to the statue of limitations against child sex abuse, or even outright threaten the victims with beatings with baseball bats.
“I don’t have much sympathy for people who somehow couldn’t stop whatever happened,” Richard Ross told the Joliet Herald-News. “I’ll take all of these people who were abused, and I’ll abuse them with a baseball bat. You can quote me on that.”
But what should I care about you, greatwhiteshark, and Carl Heidelberg think of me. You all have already proven far beyond a reasonable doubt to myself and many others that you are just like Pope Benedict XVI, Cardinal Dolan and the rest. You only give two craps about protecting the status quo of yoru Pedophile Pimps and Priests of your Unholy Roman Catholic Church.
I got a feeling though that if your Jesus is real I got a much better chance of getting into heaven than all three of you and any of your Pedophiles of your church.
I will let it go greatwhite when the pedophile pimps and perverts pay for their crime.
I am willing to bet though, if you have children and they were raped by some scumbag, you would just a parade for the scumbag, bow down and kiss their ass and suckle their penises and just tell your kids to shut the heck up and get over it eh?
I am also willing to bet your like Fr Richard Ross and would join him in beating priest abuse victims with baseball bats.
Your words and actions speak loudly.
I am willing to bet Carl Heidelberg is the exact same way.
Matter of fact, I am willing to bet, with the way you two talk along with 3thirty3, you are closet child rapists yourself because of the way you all defend them so much. So I wonder how many altar boys and choir boys you all played hide the sausage or what is in my pocket games with.
So Carl, 3thirty3, and greatwhiteshark, I have no clue if you are just trolls or Roman Catholics but let me ask you all this.
What would you do if you are a RC and one of your sons came home and told you a priest had been raping him for the last 6 months.
What would you do if you found out this priest had been reported to Pope Benedict while he was Cardinal Ratzinger and head of the Doctrine of Faith and that he just pushed it aside like he did to Marcel and Murphy and that if he had acted on it, your son would have never been raped by the priest?
Would you go to the church, get down on your knees and kiss the priests hand and tell him you forgive him and that there is no worries?
Would you write a loving letter to the Pope thanking him for turning the other cheek and forgiving the priest and moving him around?
Or would you do everything in your power to make sure they both paid for their crimes?
Inquiring minds want to know?
Personally, I have to agree with a man who seems to have done quit a bit of research into this matter, and has put some time, and effort to bring out these pedophiles out into the bright spot-light!
Thank-you, Mr. Frank LaFerriere, for such wonderful writing; truth, or not, you did put in much of your time into this article.
Thank you Willz g.
Most of this comes from my research for my book Our Father Who Art in Hell. It will take about another year to write it, but it will be published.
The first section will be about my own priest rape. The section section will provide all the evidence there now is about all the Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, priests and nuns who harmed the children. I am only doing what has happened in the U.S. right now, but I will also be coming out with what has gone on through the world with the RCC on this matter.
This is to epistemologist. I totally agree with you. My family and I grew up in the catholic faith although my mother never got around to having me baptized. Anyways, I remember my older brothers being altar boys and after mass they would come home drunk and I'll bet that the priest gave them the wine from the communion in large quantities so as to lower their inhibitions. To this day, they will not talk about what happened behind those closed doors(35 years ago) as to what happened when they got drunk but I'm doubly, no, triply sure of what happened after mass was over. I'm wondering if that is why my mother would not have me baptized into the rc church. Anyways, I left the rc church and ended up taking the missionary discussions to become a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints and eventually got baptized the way and manner in which the Lord, JESUS CHRIST, was baptized.
Frank, I think that the name of your book needs a disclaimer that the 'Our Father' part does not mean Our Father in the grand, eternal, heavenly sense but in the way that the overly prideful catholic hierarchy says that we are to address them. Isn't it funny how the scriptures clearly say that no one is to use the title 'Father' except when calling upon God but the rc church blasphemously uses the term when addressing members within this sacrilegious clique. Not one prophet or Apostle addressed themselves so in the scriptures but leave it up to the rc church to screw up that passage in the Holy Bible(this comment coming from a member of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints, yeah, btw we believe in and use the Bible to complete our set of canonized scriptures.) Well, anyways, good luck with your book and I hope many will end up buying it.
Pigotry did you mean Flatulence ><>?
Messenger. I chose the name because the priest who raped me was having me say the Our Father and Hail Mary. I remember I must have said it a couple of dozen times. After that I could no longer say it. I still cannot say it to this day. If I do I say our father who art in hell, damnable be thy name.
I no longer believe in the Christian God or Jesus Christ. I figure it this way. I was brought up in the RCC to believe in them and that they always protected us children. When I was crying to them to make the priest stop, they ignored me. I figured they did not believe in me, so why the hell should I believe in them?
Oh and thank you. One half of all the money I make on the book is going to go to Children of the Night, a organization that helps get child prostitutes off the streets and helps them turn their lives around.
Hello Frank, thank you for your courage to speak out about your personal tragedy, I know this wasn't easy. I will be looking for your book and hope that you realize that you were the victim not the cause of these heinous acts. Good luck!
Thank you Trust.
It is people like you who help to give me the courage.
Those who do insult me, denigrate me, call me a liar, or tell me to shut my mouth also do not realize, they too make me stronger. To keep taking a stand, to keep speaking out, to make my voice heard and the voices of all the others who were harmed.
I will NEVER shut up. I will NEVER go away. I will make sure that people know one way or another, the evil done to us.
I am no longer a victim, I am a survivor.
Frank LaFerriere @1.18: You certainly jumped miles to your perverted conclusions. You seem to be trying to lecture me. Your delusional rant when way beyond my simple statement. I didn't support any one, I did not defend anyone, I didn't try to stop you, I simply stated the truth, that you are consumed with hatred. Your post @ 1.18 shows that your hatred blinds you to everything else, even the good in life. I pity you. Unless you purge yourself of the hatred you'll continue on in this world without any real meaning. You can write all about your experiences looking for sympathy, but the fact remains that many people have been subjected to a lot more physical and mental torture that you, have let go of their fear and hatred to do good works.
Thank you Frank LaFerriere, for speaking the truth, unpleasant as it might be.
3thirty3: Such a sad little troll that you are.
You're right, I do have hatred in my heart. I guess though according to you I should have love towards the leaders of the RCC who covered up for their child rapist priests. I guess I am supposed to have love for the thousands of priests and nuns who raped and abused children.
I guess no one is supposed to be angry, to speak out in anger against what was done to them, or tens of thousands of other children. No we are just supposed to turn the other cheek, let bygones be bygones and shut our mouths right?
Buddy unless you can walk at least three miles in my shoes first, then you have no right to judge me or tell me I have no right to have either hatred or anger in my heart and soul for what was done to me. Then again, I seriously doubt you could walk a half a mile in my shoes without blowing your own brains out.
You can also say I am doing this for sympathy. That only makes you a jackass.
You are also right, many others have gone through a lot more physical and mental torture that I have, but again, who are you to judge the amount of mental and physical torture I have been through?
Have YOU ever been raped? Did you ever have a priest rape your ass while forcing you to say the Lords Prayer and the Hail Mary, all the while telling YOU that if you told anyone you would burn in hell for all eternity? Did you ever have a priest demand of you to get down on your knees and suck his dick and swallow his sperm calling it his sacred sacrement? Can you even imagine what this is like? I seriously doubt it.
You talk about unreasoning anger and hate? Really? How would you feel as a rape victim to be called a liar? How would you feel to hear you got priest who would love to beat you with a baseball bat because you were raped by a priest and didn't kill him or beat his ass and escape from the rapist? How would you like to hear excuse after excuse about how leaders who covered up these heinous crimes and from their buddies, how pedophiles should not be prosecuted? Or that victims are only gold diggers looking for a payday from their church? Or that we seduced these disgusting priests? Or that we deserved what we got? Or how we must have loved what happened to us because we shut our mouths for decades only to come out now because we might get a settlement from the church? How would you love to hear, as a victim, that the only thing the church thinks you really deserve is to be brought back, reconciled with the church and maybe they will pay for therapy if we are good and shut our mouths and do not make waves? How would you feel as a rape victim to be denied justice because your rapist is a priest? How would you like to learn that you might not have been raped if the local Bishop and Cardinal, upon learning this priest was a pedophile and all they had to do was turn his ass over to the police, instead they did like all the rest, they moved him from parish to parish.
Oh no, I am not supposed to have hate and anger in my heart because of all of this. Oh no I am supposed to be a good, happy person, put on a smiling face and get down on my knees and beg for forgiveness for holding anger and hatred in my heart for my priest rapist and all the leaders I have come to know who covered it up. I am supposed to go give the Pope Emetrius a big, wet sloppy kiss and say hey everything is cool. I know you covered up for quite a few rapist priests and hey I forgive ya.
You have no freaking idea there 3thirty3. See I argued when my therapist and psychiatrist diagonosed me with extreme PTSD. To me PTSD is a diagonosis for men and women in war. But hey I guess being raped, having your soul, your heart, you mind destroyed is a pretty easy thing to deal with in your book right? I guess being forced to believe that you are evil, that you are bound for hell for all eternity because you were raped by a priest is an easy thing and you can click off the switch real fast because hey, it is just rape and many other people have gone through a lot worse torture and suffering than I have.
Wake the hell up and stop being so freaking stupid will ya?
Oh and 3thirty3 you did not answer my question.
How would YOU feel if your son came home and told you he had been getting raped by a priest for the last six months? How would you feel if you learned the local Bishop and Cardinal already knew about this priests for years but did nothing except to move him from parish to parish and if they had not done that, if they only had done their job, then your son would never have been raped?
Would you give them all a big wet sloppy kiss of forgiveness and tell your son he had no right to the anger and pain or hate? Or would you make sure you did everything humanly possible to make the rapist pay and those who covered it up as well.
Let me give you one more little torture I have to deal with 3thirty3. I have also been condemned as a faggot because I was raped by this priest. Because I did shut my mouth for so long, that meant I loved what happened and therefore that makes me a faggot. Because I am a faggot according to your own Popes etc because even though it was forced upon me, I still had sex with a man. So here is another condemnation I keep hearing in my tortured mind. I am now a faggot also condemned to hell.
How would you love that torture to go through YOUR MIND?
Everytime I hear your Popes, your Cardinals, your Bishops and your Priests condemn gays and lesbians, I hear them condemning me too. I'm not gay, I am straight, but still, imagine what that would be like for YOU, to be condemned to hell for the actions of a perverted, disgusting scum priest who raped you.
It is a lot more than just dealing with the rape you idiot, it is dealing also with being mind raped again and again by your leaders, by your parishioners and others you stupid fool. Hearing this time and time again sort of gets to you and if you cannot accept that, then you are a stupid loser.
frank,
I hope you write better while composing just another make me money because a priest supposedly diddled me manuscript. From what I see here, conjecture, insult, rage, fantasy and blame a god for what men do it should be just another run of the mill sap looking for money. If you want to stop the sexual misconduct why not actually work against it rather then write a book to make yourself money? Oh, and your claim to charity was not missed, but then, neither is the fact that money not yet spent (or earned) is still in the fantasy category. Too bad your whole understanding comes from your personal life and shows not one iota of care towards those who may still yet be suffering the abuse you claimed to have. yet then again, good well trained Christians always fend for themselves even if they have the audacity to say no one helped them while they are looking out only for themselves. As a true enemy of organized religion I can say in all my years you are common in occurrence and as disgusting as the priest who may have diddled you.
Blessed Be and may your money scam prove as viable as your lack of talent at high end insult. Hope however you have gotten your jolly at all the sappy warm for you replies you got here that you couldn't get for the God you turned your back on. Typical.
Ha ha ha ha ha your funny Lore&Wisdon.
Care to come back with something more intelligent than your stupidity?
You have wisdom in your name? What you just posted proves you are severly lacking in it.
But that is ok, thanks to your stupidity and ignorance, you did give me one hell of a laugh this morning.
I will tell you what you fool, if it will make you feel any better I will make this vow now and you can damn well bet I will keep it. I will keep just enough of the sales of my book to cover the expenses with doing it. Trust me there will be a lawyer involved watching all of it. Then I will take the rest, give half the profit to Children of the Night and the other half to priest abuse victim support groups that YOU choose and I will make the donation in YOUR name.
Care to challenge me on this fool of non wisdom?
Oh one more thing Fool of Wisdom: I prefer to make my money off my work, my nature and wildlife photography. There was NEVER any intention of my trying to make bundles of cash off the book. I actually already promised Bishops Accountability that I would donate half the money to them. So here is the deal. You can bet your life on this.
I will give half the profit to Children of the Night and the other half to Bishops Accountability...and I will do so under YOUR name. How is that for a challenge to show your nothing but a freak troll, just like NC and his other butt buddies.
One thing you can be assured of and you can ask anyone who knows me. At least when I make a vow, I damn well keep it, unlike a lot of priests and leaders of the roman catholic church.
Another thing asshat, get it right. I am NOT a Christian. I walked away in disgust of this religion decades ago. Don't believe me, go look me up on Facebook and see how much I insult bigoted, self righteous, hypocritical Christians.
So Frank, now you claim to have been the one who saved some girl even though her family would not? I sent a copy of that real hero email you wrote to the Durham Police for you to see if there is any validity behind it along with the IP tags. It is interesting however in your email there is no mention of your priest rape story.
From my Email (idiots email has been deleted for his privacy:
Subject: Let me tell you something
Name: Frank LaFerriere
Email: *************@yahoo.com
Message:
You can insult me all you want. You can say my motives about the book I am doing is a way to make me tons of money. You can even call me a liar about what happened to me at St Thomas More parish in Durham. That only makes you stupid. Let me put it bluntly. You say I do not give a @!$%# about other priest abuse survivors, well you do not know me. Actually, though I do NOT talk about this, go to the Berlin Daily Sun and type in a search for Wade Lawrence. You will see this scumbag who got indicted for aggravated sexual assault. He was raping his own daughter. NO ONE would help her, not her mother, not her aunts or uncles, not even the state. She started getting raped at the age of 12 by him and it continued until she was 17. Even the state got involved, but her @!$%#ing sperm donor twisted everything around and put it on her. I was the ONLY one who helped her. Thanks to my going to the Berlin Police Department and insisting something be done, he was arrested and is now sitting in prison for 8 to 20 years. Oh and this is not the first person I helped who was getting raped. So before you question my motives or heart, do some @!$%#ing thinking before you open your @!$%#ing outhouse piehole.
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Nice try, you still look like an idiot though who cannot help himself from making up tale after tale.
Hey 3thirty3 and Lore&Wisdom, classy posts! You are confirming everyone's derisive views of what the RCC represents. Thanks!
Hey douchebag Lore&Wisdon. What a stupid fool idiot you are. Gee you could not even get the posting right. Go ahead and contact the Durham police department cause they will no nothing about it. Though they do know about my case, they will have no clue about the case of the girl because it was clear across the top of the state from them. You're so stupid you couldn't even read it right. Hell what? Didn't you even make it out of the second grade? Or did you just go through the Evelyn Wood Speed Reading Course and forgot to realize you passed over some important information?
Idiot, get a hold of the Berlin Daily Sun: Friday Nov 25, 2011. Front page, Three Men indicted for sex crimes against children.
You just sunk your own damn ass boy.
Do you got brain damage from your mommy slamming your head one too many times with a baseball bat?
PS douchebag, take your posting down, I did not post anything on here to protect the victim. You didn't even have the decency to keep that private, between us. No you had to show what an outrageous douchebag you are by posting it in the open.
I wish you were here right now, saying your crap to my face. You would be not liking my response trust me.
All you have proven Lore&Wisdon is that the amoebas on the bottom of one of the most used outhouses on the Appalachian Trail has more intelligence that you will ever have.
Oh and apparently you're dumber than even this. You say my email says nothing about the priest rape eh? Do you have crap in your eyes?
You can even call me a liar about what happened to me at St Thomas More parish in Durham.
Again, the ONLY thing you have proven is how dumb you are and how ignorant you are.
As you requested I will simply post it all in full, let others out here know exactly what kind of person you are. I do mean in full this time, you should learn some respect.
Subject: frank_laferriere@yahoo.com
Name: Frank LaFerriere
Email: belgarion0369@yahoo.com
Message:
Jesus @!$%#ing christ on a cross are you a @!$%#ing punk. You are so hell bent on proving me wrong that all you have done is make yourself the dumbest @!$%#ing @!$%# on the internet. Stupid @!$%#ing jackass you couldn't even speak it right. You go right ahead and contact the @!$%#ing Durham Police Department ou douchebag. You will in fact be told they know nothing about the girl being raped and they would be right you @!$%#ing retard because I told you it had to deal with the Berlin Police Department. But seeing you want to be such a @!$%#, here is the facts. First go to the Berlin Daily Sun website and look for the Nov 25, 2011 edition. Front page top, Three men indicted for sex crimes against children. Then call the Berlin Police Department and ask to speak to a (officer name and number omitted) and ask him if I did not help this young woman get justice. You are one hell of a piece of rotten @!$%# on the bottom of a well used outhouse. Of course you will probably repost this on the board too, but that would only prove one @!$%#ing thing, you are nothing more than a scumbag who has no conscious and have no problem attacking rape victims. You are a punk, If you were a man I would invite you to my house and I would teach you a lesson your daddy should have taught your sorry ass the day you were born. Too bad your mother should have aborted you when she had the chance.
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have a nice day, and threaten me real life once more you will get more then you could ever expect, will make sure your nightmares never bother you again though.
The ONLY thing this proves is that you're an ignorant little troll you comes on here, runs their mouth and have no conscious. That is ok, there is a very special place in hell for losers like you. Oh and buddy, I have been threatened by more losers than I can to think of for my speaking out against the Pedophile Perverts of the RCC. You think you scare me? So punk, why not come take a trip to Berlin NH and show me how much of a man you think you are. I can guarentee you, the outcome will NOT be as you expect it to be.
Yeah, you're such an internet tough guy. Come on here and insult the crap out of me and then denigrate another rape victim? You are really a pip. Again, too bad your mother didn't abort you. It would have made the world a much better and happier place without YOU in it.
I am willing to bet though, your mother would read what you have posted, she would slap you in the face and disown your sorry ass. She must be real proud of what a maggot you turned out to be.
Then again, I am going to be the man here and just put your sorry ass on ignore. See that is the thing. I have the power to hit ignore on here. You are an ignorant little troll who is not worth my time to worry about. So go take a hike little troll boi. Your mommy is calling you....I think she wants to teach you some manners.
Hungry?
Famished.
Yes, me too. I always get hungry after sex.
gm stonepipe
Someone asked me if I smoke after sex. I replied, "I don't know. I never look."
GM-Did you hear the one about the gold digger that married the 90 year old rich guy? On the wedding night he came out of the bathroom with cotton in his ears, a nose plug and a condom on. "I can't stand the sound of a woman screaming and the smell of burning rubber"! Good to see you, have a great day.
And on their first night together, Adam said:
"I don't know either, but stand back Eve, I'm not sure how big it's going to get"
A Priest once ask me.......Do you know the different between a refridgerator and an altar boy....? I said no.
His aswer was......the refridgerator doesn't farts i take the meat out.
LOL!
Lil Focker, that is freaking funny. Thanks for the laugh. I gotta remember that one.
Ray, Islam has nothing to do with radicalism. There are radicals in all religions. Stonepipe, you comment makes no sense and has absolutely nothing to do with the article. Troll somewhere else.
o.k., if you say so.
jackieboy, Radical Islam (Muslim Brotherhood) is one of the biggest threats to all Western countries. It should be dealt with NOW.
jackieboy,
Islam may have nothing to do with radicalism, but radicalism has a lot to do with Islam.
I see the pan-fed Christians are back at the all Islam is evil trip. I wonder if you Christians are aware islam was founded around the 700's to allow for a form of the same faith that also provided protection against the fanatic Christians who were murdering any non-christians they could find? Radical Christianity is the biggest threat to the western world, just as radical Islam is the biggest threat to the eastern world. Sucks having someone dislike both sides of your lame excuse religions that didn't want to have to adhere to all the serious rules of Judaism yet still wanted all the perks before and after death.
Wow Lore&Wisdom, I find this pretty amazing. You and I actually are of the same opinion on this. Amazing you call me a freaking Christian and then in the same posting you talk about how I hate their god. Makes a lot of sense to have called me a christian though doesn't oh purveyor of Wisdom?
Then again, I am willing to bet you will call me a liar and a fake again, so again, I suggest you go look me up on Facebook. I run two groups there, one is called Christian Atrocities. Go take a look and then come back and tell me to my face I am a fake or a liar again.
One figurehead has lunch with another figurehead.
A photo op similar to a politician visiting a statue.
Alban Hills Papacy Retirement Home - founded by Benedict XVI in 2013.
Of course they are brothers. They are of the same mind set.
They truly believe that their God said that they are to rule over and keep woman as slaves (baby machines) and that women are less of a human species so that they can not possible serve God in the same maner of men.
This applies to all religions across the board.
Women are good for having babies and keeping the population of religion up and going. Other wise who would these self serving, ignorant, bigoted men have to rule? Other men? Fat chance of that.
An educated world is not good for any religion. The good ole boys club is alive and well no matter what boys club it is.
"This applies to all religions across the board."
I know it's hard to look past your self-righteous rage, but your statement is disproven by those religions that not only ordain women, but have women in leadership all the way to the highest levels.
But why differentiate when a hateful blanket is so much easier to cast over everything, right? "Some are bad, therefore all must be bad."
Steve?
Are you hopeful your girlfriend will read this and finally shake it out for you? Men cause all these issues and then support it through religion and politics. I hope your girlfriend giggles when she sees how emasculated you will pretend to be with absolutely no knowledge of what you are speaking about. Or was all this a ruse to try to sway the world reader's into not seeing you are just another penis bearer looking to blame someone else for what you do? The good ole' boys club? sounds a lot like a gay dating site, maybe that is where the matter lay for you? Hardly can believe people are still so smarmy weak as to call it on the good ole boys club, must have been the beater they didn't let in the club. Blame everything, never look at the self, and you are as guilty as those whom you lay fault upon. You and Frank should get a vacation house.
Yuppers, nice trolling Lore&Wisdom, with every posting I see of yours, you show a complete and utter lack of Wisdom. Then again, you have also proven by your postings exactly what you are.
Nothing more than a loudmouth, think you know it all, but are nothing more than a stupid troll.
Now if the catholic cult could have lunch with the non-Christian cult of the mormons, it would be one happy cult gathering.
wow your stupid I have a lot of Mormon friends they are good people. your a jackasss
You may be right but don't try on their magical under ware !
The Pope wears diaper....not magic underwear.
genius, NOT! If you are as smart as your singular brain cell thinks you are, then you will know that the REAL name of our church is NOT the Mormon Church, but The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. How is it possible for a faith to have the name of the Saviour but not be Christian. I guess that would be like you calling yourself a genius while not being one. I guess you suffer from an incurable case of spiritual penis envy. I guess that you have one but are incapable of plugging into the source of spiritual knowledge and truth or that through your spiritual blindness aren't able to find the spiritual power socket. I have an assignment for you. Go to your spiritual leader, whether it be a pastor, reverend, etc... and ask him(or her, if you are uxorious) why your church lacks the personal proper noun of the Lord on it. When I was in the US Navy, I was told that the number one way to prove that something is mine is to put my name on it. The same goes for the Lord and His Church and Kingdom on earth. He put His name on the moniker of the church. His name isn't 'methodist', 'roman catholic', 'lutheran', 'presbyterian', 'episcopalian', 'nazarene', 'Jehovah's witness', 'unitarian', 'orthodox', 'seventh-day adventists', 'baptists' or any of the other APOSTATE religions that profess to belong to JESUS CHRIST. His name is JESUS CHRIST and He appropriately affixed His name on His Church. Furthermore, He is NOT dead or His mouth silent. He has spoken more than what is contained in the Old and New Testaments and we consider the Holy Bible to be just one of a number of canonized books of scripture. We need The Book of Mormon, The Doctrine and Covenants, The Pearl of Great Price and words spoken by modern-day prophets and Apostles to lead and guide us BACK to Our Heavenly Father's presence(as that is where we were prior to our mortal birth). Also, unlike the rc church, we don't have to perform a life-time of miracles and such and then wait for some fop of a pope to grant us sainthood. We become saints the moment of our baptism and willingness to follow the Lord by being obedient to His commandments. In addition, I am a married man with children and I can't imagine getting marital/parental advice from someone who swears off of being a husband and a biological father.
P.S. Concerning the 'magical underwear' that you all seem to mindlessly blaspheme. First, they aren't 'magical', 'mystical' or anything to suggest that they are relating to 'cultism'. Second, they are worn by members of the LDS Church as a shield of modesty as we are instructed to refrain from publicly displaying them and to help us remember sacred covenants that we made with the Lord in His Holy Temples. I have a question for you. Why aren't you ridiculing the religious clothing worn by pastors, priests, reverends, bishops, cardinals and so forth of other religions? Is it because you are all a bunch of prejudicial juveniles that have nothing better to do? Is it because you are minions of the adversary and are commanded to call good evil and evil good? Also, did you know that other faith groups outside of Christianity wear garments that are sacred to them such as Jews, muslims, Buddhists etc... Do you remember anything in the Book of Genesis? Don't you recall that when Adam and Eve partook of the Forbidden Fruit(that's all it was a 'fruit', the Forbidden Fruit does NOT imply anything sexual like many gutter-minded individuals), the serpent(Lucifer) told Adam and Eve to put on aprons of shame made out of fig leaves due to the fact that they then recognized their nakedness. Upon their expulsion from the Garden of Eden, Jehovah(Pre-mortal Jesus Christ) commanded them to make coats of skins to replace the aprons of shame. Our 'sacred garments' are a symbolism to those coats of skins worn by our first parents. The coats of skins weren't bikinis, tighty-whities, thongs, titty-tassels, or anything that looks like it came from an adult lingerie store.
Seems like just two old tired guys. New guy wondering what he let himself into. The other one thankful to being able to enjoy his last days in peace.
swapping boy stories
Benedict is older so he might have more better stories.
Menu; baked cardinal, sacrificial lamb, deviled eggs AND devil food cake, a multitude of netted fish and abundance of bread loaves. A little red wine to wash it all down.
"So, where would you like to go to lunch? McDee's okay with you? I like those new 'fishy fishy' nuggets they sell during Lent! We can take the bus and be there in ten minutes"
Yeah, what did they eat? I hear the Gnocchi Gandolfo is enough to quit your job over
Something is wrong with this photo, I just don't know what...
Benedict didn't finish re-dressing!..did you notice the open collar on his shirt!??!... and there is not enough jewelry and such... to 'plain' ....
It's not a shirt collar, he's wearing a zipped-up quilted white jacket over his white cassock. He can no longer wear the papal cross and ring, they are reserved for the current pop, Francis.
"the competition that the Catholic Church faces in Latin America and Africa from evangelical Pentecostal movements."
Really?? A "competition"? Did Christ compete with others or just teach love, peace, and understanding? Another old man trying to hold on to to relics of a dying establishment
Who's accusing the Church of teaching about love, peace and understanding....?
Whatever they discussed, I hope it gave the new pope some divine insight. Good luck to both of them in their endeavors.
must be passing on the list of kids to abuse.
Ah... hmmmm.... someone to hold hands with then.. of equal stature... and probably with permission... However, as usual, the children who write this blather just for us without lots to do, but not doing it, 'Ex-Pope'?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?... there ain't no such a thing!... you're not an 'ex-cop' or an 'ex-Marine'... or an 'ex-pontiff'.... you are a 'former'... or a 'retired'... but not 'ex'... save that for wives!!... that is disrespectful in my book...
Yea, with all the cover-ups, they deserve utmost respect. Is there a such thing as an ex-pedophile?
With one sweeping stroke, you guys paint all men in Catholic religious callings (priest, monk, cardinal, bishop, Pope) as pedophiles, evidence be damned. This is the same as you being charged in court with the same and the Judge telling you you are considered guilty until proven innocent. There is no difference. Or is this just a convenient way to smear all Catholics? If so, you might want to read the news more carefully in the future. Plenty of protestant ministers and their assistants have been charged with doing the same. Or, I'm suspecting this is the case, you have a sorry little life and like to troll on feel-good stories and make nasty comments trying to pull everyone else down to your miserable level.
@John954: Your reasoning seems logical. There is a very fine line between anger and hatred. With age, I am becoming more aware of the fact that I have so much anger, I frequently lash out with sarcasm, forgetting that there is also a very fine line between sarcasm and hate speech. Hatred is destructive but anger may serve as motivation and sarcasm, as a slap to the sleeping. Have patience, I am awash in anger but have very little, if any, hatred. Surely, there are many vocal and angry people but, hopefully, very few haters.
John I do not condemn all of them. I know some rather good priests who have been helping me since I came out of the priest abuse closet and all I have to do is pick up the phone if I need to talk to them.
I do condemn all those who stand up for and defend the pedophiles of the church or the leaders who covered it up.
I do condemn all those who do not have the guts to make their voices heard. I have heard many times from Parishioners, we do not have a voice in the church to tell anyone what to do or not do. Oh really?
You sure the hell do have a voice in many ways.
1. You put your money in the church offering. Imagine if all parishioners got together and said we are not making one more donation, not one more church offering until those leaders responsible for the cover ups resign and submit to prosecution.
2. You all have a voice, you're just too damn scared to use it. Imagine if all parishioners, good priests, Cardinals, Bishops and nuns gathered together enmass and went to like Cardinal Timothy Dolans residence and demanded he resign immediately and submit to prosecution? Or any of the other Cardinals and Bishops who had a hand in the cover ups, or if you all really had the guts and descended on the Vatican to demand Pope Benedict XVI be arrested and prosecuted.
You cannot say you can't do anything about this. You all damn well can. You are just too damn scared of the leaders and your church without realizing one of the most important facts.
YOU PARISHIONERS ARE WHAT MAKES THE CHURCH. WITHOUT YOU PARISHIONERS, YOUR CHURCH WOULD HAVE NOTHING AND BE NOTHING, IT IS YOU PARISHIONERS WHO REALLY HAVE THE POWER. NOT THESE LEADERS. IT IS TIME TO STOP BEING AFRAID OF THEM, STAND UP AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT. IF NOT FOR YOURSELVES, THEN DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN WHO WERE HARMED.
Funny. The reason I am up this early?
Because of my never ending nightmares of being raped in hell by priests, popes etc. They have taken on a new delight though every since I read where a priest wants to gather up all the priest rape victims and beat them with baseball bats. I will not get into specifics, but you can just imagine you loser.
more of that common rhetoric fantasy scribble to hopefully glean fools to buy your book? "Because of my never ending nightmares of being raped in hell by priests, popes etc.", so you claim a priest diddled you and you dream about priests, and popes (and even fantastical creatures you dare not mention mr. et cetera) and having it done in hell? Ever seen hellraiser, you may be close to plagiarism candle bearer.
Ahhhh Lore again you open your piehole and spew forth complete and utter stupidity.
You ought to change your sign in name to the dumb f^&* that you are.
Benedict you look tired my old friend.
Yes Francis, I'm too pooped to Pope.
Hey Carl, seeing you love to stalk me on here, let me ask you a question.
I am willing to bet you have children.
So what if you came home and found out that someone had raped them? What if you came home and found out a priest from your parish was raping your son?
Would you do what you do? Go and give him a big wet, sloppy kiss, forgive him and say that is all right Father, no worries, God forgives you, I forgives you, my child forgives you and you deserve no punishment for destroying my childs soul.
Or would you do everything you could to make sure that he paid for his crimes?
What if you found out your old buddy Benedict was informed of this priest, that he knew this priest was going around raping children, but like Marcel and Murphy, he did not care and he just moved this priest around. Now what if you found out if he had only stopped moving this priest and turned him over to the police like he should have, your child would have never been raped by the priest.
Would you still defend him? Would you still call him your Holy Father? Would you bow down and still kiss his ring?
Or would you demand he too be prosecuted?
So Carl, please tell me what you would do?
I'm betting more like sex-starved "sisters".
I wonder which one's the top and which one's the bottom
So Ryan, how long have you been fantasizing about top men and bottom men? Are you trying to tell us you have a closet door that's ajar?
Absolutely not John. I'm openly gay. And since I apparently caught your interest, how about you?
very nice comeback......TOUCHE'
Is this really newsworthy? I'm sick of hearing about these pedophile misogynist bigots.
No one forced you to click on and read the article, you chose to of your own volition. If you are as "sick of" as you claim, then all you had to do was simply not click the link and read.
... you people are so mean here!
Amen, BlackMan#1. There are a lot of miserable, sad excuses for humanity posting on this story. Beats me why they even bother to read the article if they're so anti-Pope or anti-Catholic. It's not like the title of the article doesn't give the subject away. Maybe smearing other people is their only way to feel better about themselves. Maybe they need to develop a website where these people can go and just spew all the vile things they want, away from sane people who might actually care about the story or want to have a legitimate conversation about the story.
A legitimate conversation about a multi-billion dollar corporation that uses religion to abuse and manipulate weak people? Seriously? The people addressing that are the only people here having a legitimate conversation. Sane? You think it's sane to turn a blind eye to and enable rapists and thieves? You're a freakin coward.
@BlackMan; Yup!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's what I think when I hear black people protest prejudice.
While there have been Popes to abdicate in the past, see two popes at the same thing just plain weird at best, and creepy at worse.
They were proabbly sharing lists of children they molested to see if any were the same.
Sloppy seconds...............
Well, they were eventually going to have to exchange hats somehow, so why not do it over a meal? After all, what better way to get to know your replacement than to sup and dine over a burger, while dressed to the "nines" in your Sunday best and pointy hats. Let's just hope that the Lord is pleased with their conversations, and their desire to repent and recompense those that were damaged through the years of sexual improprieties and pedophilia scandals!
Birds of a feather flock together !
You know, the is-now and the has-been popes try to look like a couple of beautiful doves being all decked out in white but inside are nothing but a couple of black as sin vultures looking for carrion.