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  • 11
    Mar
    2012
    11:18pm, EDT

    Taliban vow revenge for Afghans killed by US soldier

    An American staff sergeant is in custody after allegedly killing 16 civilians, including nine children, in a shooting spree in Afghanistan. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

     

    By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services

    Updated at 7:24 a.m. ET: A U.S. soldier's shooting of 16 Afghan civilians deepened questions on Monday about what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it withdraws, as Washington rushed to contain the damage from the startling rogue attack.

    President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke to Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone and offered condolences for the attack, in which a U.S. soldier left his base in southern Afghanistan and began a middle-of-the-night shooting spree that local officials said killed nine children, three women, and four men.


    "This incident is tragic and shocking," Obama said in a statement.

    Reports of the attack remain confused. U.S. officials say only one soldier was involved, while villagers and other Afghans said it was a group of soldiers. But the Obama administration vowed a rapid investigation and promised to hold whoever was behind the violence fully responsible.

    Retired General Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, talks to TODAY's Matt Lauer about what could have possibly driven a U.S. soldier to killed 16 civilians, including nine children, in Afghanistan.

    The soldier suspected of being responsible has been detained but has yet to be identified. However, a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to NBC News that he is based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, south of Tacoma, Wash.

    LIVE Chat: Ask NBC's Afghanistan correspondent your questions about the attack 12:00-12:30p.m.ET

    While U.S. officials rushed to draw a line between the shooting and the ongoing efforts of a U.S. force of around 90,000, the incident is sure to infuriate Afghans already suspicious of a Western military presence now over a decade old. The incident may provide ammunition to those in Washington advocating for an accelerated exit from a long, costly and inconclusive war.

    'American savages'
    NBC News reported that there were no signs of demonstrations early Monday.

    In a statement Monday, the Afghan Taliban pledged to "take revenge" against the "sick-minded American savages," according to the AFP news agency.

    "The American 'terrorists' want to come up with an excuse for the perpetrator of this inhumane crime by claiming that this immoral culprit was mentally ill," the Taliban statement added. "If the perpetrators of this massacre were in fact mentally ill then this testifies to yet another moral transgression by the American military, because they are arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans without giving a second thought."

    Last month, the burning of copies of the Quran on a NATO military base triggered violent protests across the country and a spate of insider attacks against Western soldiers.

    Afghan suspect's base has recent history of controversies

    $500 billion war bill
    Sunday's attack may harden a growing consensus in Washington that, despite a troop surge, a war bill exceeding $500 billion and nearly 2,000 U.S. lives lost, prospects are dimming for what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it pulls most troops out by the end of 2014.

    Obama's surge of 33,000 troops has beaten the Taliban back from some areas of Afghanistan's south, but serious doubts remain about whether an inexperienced local military and wobbly central government can keep a resilient insurgency at bay.

    Pete Souza / White House via Reuters

    President Barack Obama talks on a phone with Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai from his vehicle in Chevy Chase, Md., on Sunday.

    "These killings only serve to reinforce the mindset that the whole war is broken and that there's little we can do about it beyond trying to cut our losses and leave," said Joshua Foust, a security expert with the American Security Project.

    Afghans haven’t traditionally responded with violence or widespread protests to civilian deaths, the Christian Science Monitor reported, as many view such behavior as a byproduct of war.

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    But, Abdul Rahim Ayobi, a member of Parliament from Kandahar told the Monitor, “it gives us the message that the American soldiers are not under the control of their generals and these American generals have failed to manage them.”

    If the incident triggers retaliatory violence against Western troops, it may well help shape ongoing deliberations within the Obama administration about how quickly U.S. soldiers should be withdrawn, possibly strengthening the case of those surrounding the president who back a more decisive drawdown.

    Obama and other NATO leaders are expected to define their plans for gradually trimming Western forces and putting Afghan troops in charge of security when they meet at a NATO summit in Chicago in May.

    'The house of cards is falling'
    Most Western combat troops are expected to be gone by the end of 2014, but some U.S. soldiers could remain beyond then, likely focusing on targeted strikes on militants and supporting local forces, who will need outside help for years to come.

    "This is terrible timing for people who either want to stay through 2014 or even extend the U.S. presence there," Foust said. "Though the overall number of (similar) incidents remains pretty low, there is a broad and growing perception that now both sides are dysfunctional and committing murder, or the house of cards is falling."

    In a post on Twitter, Pentagon spokesman George Little said the incident would not change the U.S. mission. "The recent tragedy in Afghanistan will not deter us from pursuing our fundamental strategy. We've come too far with our Afghan partners."

    Sunday's shooting may dispel the goodwill created by an agreement reached on Friday on control over military prisons in Afghanistan, which had been one of the remaining stumbling blocks to reaching a deal governing future U.S.-Afghan ties.

    MSNBC military analyst Gen. Barry McCaffrey (Ret.) says the alleged shooting of Afghan civilians by a US soldier is a 'further unraveling' of relations between the US and Afghanistan.

    Andrew Exum, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and former Army Ranger, said the shootings come at a sensitive time in negotiations on that deal, which the White House wanted to unveil by the May summit.

    "One wonders whether or not internal political pressures in Afghanistan will constrain the options of Afghan negotiators on subjects ranging from U.S. basing rights to night raids," Exum said.

    Some U.S. officials told the New York Times that the Taliban hard-liners could be emboldened by the incidents. “The fear,” one U.S. official told the Times, “ is that all these incidents, taken together, play into the Taliban’s account of how we treat the Afghan religion and people.”

    Election impact?
    The shootings may complicate things for Obama ahead of November's presidential election.

    While jobs and the economy will likely remain the focus of the presidential race, the White House has hoped to point to a series of foreign policy successes, such as the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, to shore up Obama's support.

    The recent tumult in Afghanistan may increase the pressure Obama faces in coming months from fellow Democrats who favor a more rapid drawdown.

    Family loses 2 sons in Afghanistan

    While many Republicans have warned against pulling out too quickly, conservative presidential candidate Newt Gingrich voiced a very different view.

    "There's something profoundly wrong with the way we're approaching the whole region and I think it's going to get substantially worse, not better. And I think that we're risking the lives of young men and women in a mission that may frankly not be doable," Gingrich said on "Fox News Sunday."

    He said Washington should consider pulling out of Afghanistan and reconsider its role in the entire region.

    Slideshow: Afghanistan: Nation at a crossroads

    Qais Usyan / AFP - Getty Images

    More than a decade after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.

    Launch slideshow

    "I understand the anger and the sorrow," said John McCain, the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who like many other Republicans has warned a hasty withdrawal will undermine U.S. security in the long run.

    "I also understand that we should not forget that the attacks on the United States of America on 9/11 originated in Afghanistan, and if Afghanistan dissolved into a situation where the Taliban were able to take over, or a chaotic situation, it could easily return to an al-Qaida base for attacks," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

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    Further complicating the matter is the limited patience many of Obama's top supporters have for Karzai, who has demanded an explanation for Sunday's shootings, which he called "intentional murders."

    "The great weakness in Afghanistan is Karzai," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "Nobody seems to trust him or like him. And the idea of turning it over to the Afghan forces is the right way to go, but that's a major question mark: Karzai."

    In the meantime, U.S. officials in Washington and on the ground appeared to be bracing themselves for a backlash.

    The U.S. Embassy, on its Twitter feed, said the movement of U.S. personnel in southern Afghanistan would be restricted and warned that "anti-American feelings and protests" may be ahead.

    Michael O'Hanlon, a military expert at the Brookings Institution, said the quick, conciliatory statements from senior American officials were wise, but added that it might not be possible to staunch Afghan fury that may be unleashed by the killings.

    "I don't know that a lot can be done," he said.

    NBC News, msnbc.com staff, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    1917 comments

    Get out of Afghanistan. The country was in problem for centuries. There is no common sense government in Afghanistan for centuries. They don't even have a road over there. 50 miles out of Kabul, everything is jungle and anything happens. Only wish is that the Taliban doesn't start abusing people onc …

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  • 11
    Mar
    2012
    1:15am, EST

    US staff sergeant kills 16 Afghan civilians, officials say

    Mammon Durrani / AFP - Getty Images

    A villager on Sunday points to where a family was allegedly shot in their home by a U.S. soldier in Alkozai, a village in Afghanistan's Kandahar province.

    By msnbc.com staff and news services

    Updated at 6:28 p.m. ET: KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- A U.S. service member shot dead at least 15 members of two Afghan families as well as a 16th person before turning himself in, officials said Sunday. U.S. officials said the soldier was a staff sergeant.

    Some witnesses said more than one soldier was involved, but Afghan President Hamid Karzai in a statement cited only one shooter in what he called "an assassination," adding that nine of the dead were children, and three were women.

    The detained soldier has yet to be identified, but a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to NBC News that he is based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, south of Tacoma, Wash. An official told the Associated Press that the suspect is a conventional soldier assigned to support a special operations unit of either Green Berets or Navy SEALs engaged in a village stability operation.

    The soldier reportedly left his base in the early hours Sunday and went to two villages just a few hundred yards away. He then opened fire on Afghan civilians sleeping in their homes, Minister of Border and Tribal Affairs Asadullah Khalid told Reuters. The service member entered three homes in the villages in Kandahar province, he said.

    Twelve of the dead were from Balandi, said Samad Khan, adding that 11 were from his family, including women and children. Khan was away from the village when the incident occurred. One of his neighbors was also killed, he said.


    "This is an anti-human and anti-Islamic act," said Khan. "Nobody is allowed in any religion in the world to kill children and women."

    Ahmad Nadeem / Reuters

    Afghan soldiers keep watch at a U.S. military base Sunday as nearby residents gather following the killing of civilians in a rural area of Kandahar province.

    Khan demanded that Karzai punish the American shooter. "Otherwise we will make a decision," said Khan. "He should be handed over to us."

    The U.S.-led NATO mission in Afghanistan said the soldier being held would remain in its custody.

    Four people reportedly killed in the neighboring village were also from a single family, said a female relative who was shouting in anger. She did not give her name because of the conservative nature of local society.

    "No Taliban were here. No gun battle was going on," said the woman. "We don't know why this foreign soldier came and killed our innocent family members. Either he was drunk or he was enjoying killing civilians."

    Military discipline and the 'command climate' in Afghanistan comes into question after a U.S. soldier allegedly opened fire on sleeping civilians in Kandahar province. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports.

    Five were wounded in the incident, said Khalid, who is investigating the incident.

    US gives up control of jail where Quran was burned

    The BBC reported that the soldier was thought to have suffered a breakdown.

     Earlier, Afghanistan's defense ministry told Reuters that "coalition forces" killed civilians in the shooting spree. NATO did not immediately comment on the report, which implied that there had been more than one attacker.

    American and NATO officials apologized for Sunday's shootings.

    "I offer my condolences to the families and loved ones of those who lost their lives, and to the people of Afghanistan, who have endured too much violence and suffering," President Barack Obama, who also spoke with Karzai, said in a statement. "This incident is tragic and shocking, and does not represent the exceptional character of our military and the respect that the United States has for the people of Afghanistan."

    MSNBC military analyst Gen. Barry McCaffrey (Ret.) says the alleged shooting of Afghan civilians by a US soldier is a 'further unraveling' of relations between the US and Afghanistan.

     

    NATO, meanwhile, called the attack "appalling" and said it was in no way part of its authorized activities.

    "An investigation is already underway and every effort will be made to establish the facts and hold anyone responsible to account," Lt. Gen. Adrian Bradshaw, deputy commander of the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, said in a statement. 

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    Civilian casualties have been a major source of friction between Karzai's government and NATO forces in Afghanistan.

    "U.S. Forces-Afghanistan, in cooperation with Afghan authorities, will investigate this incident," NATO said.

    The killings happened in Panjwayi district, about 22 miles west of Kandahar City. The district is considered the spiritual home of the Taliban and has been a hive of insurgent activity in recent years.

    Anti-American sentiment is running high in Afghanistan and it may deepen once news of the shooting spreads.

    Anger gripped the country after U.S. soldiers burned a large number of copies of the Koran at a NATO base last month. NATO said it was a tragic blunder.

    Thirty people were killed in protests and Afghan forces turned their weapons on U.S. soldiers, killing six.

    Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    3677 comments

    This whole thing is going to explode and spiral out of control. Shades of the US civilians climbing into choppers from atop embassy buildings (the fall of Saigon)!

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