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  • 21
    Nov
    2012
    12:18pm, EST

    Vote rejecting women bishops was 'willfully blind,' Church of England leader says

    Yui Mok / Pool via AP

    The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, center right, embraces an unidentified person after draft legislation introducing the first women bishops in the Church of England failed to receive final approval from the Church of England General Synod, at Church House in central London, on Nov. 20.

     

    By Becky Bratu, NBC News

    The Church of England appears to be "willfully blind" to the rest of the world, outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams said Wednesday after the church's legislative body voted Tuesday against allowing women bishops.


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    "Whatever the motivations for voting yesterday, whatever the theological principle on which people acted and spoke, the fact remains that a great deal of this discussion is not intelligible to our wider society - worse than that, it seems that we are willfully blind to some of the trends and priorities in that wider society," Williams said.

    After hours of debate, bishops and clergy in the General Synod comfortably backed the change but lay members were four votes short of a two-thirds majority required in all three houses to pass the measure. Williams fears the church is busy engaging in a debate that mystifies much of the world, where women are seen as equal partners.

    "The work to do internally is considerable - but, it's tempting to say, that is as nothing compared with the work we have to do externally. We have, to put it very bluntly, a lot of explaining to do," Williams said, according to the BBC.

    The debate over the ordination of women bishops has been dividing the Church of England for more than a decade. More than two years ago, in February 2010, Williams warned the synod that infighting over women bishops and gay priests could result in a schism within the Anglican Communion. The Episcopal Church in the United States, a constituent member of the Anglican Communion, approved a same-sex blessing service this summer. 

    Women already serve as Anglican bishops in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States, where Barbara Harris made history in Massachusetts in 1989 when she became the first woman ordained as a bishop in the Anglican Communion. The Church of England is part of the Anglican Communion, an international association of Anglican churches with about 80 million members worldwide. The archbishop of Canterbury is the symbolic leader of this movement but has no authority outside England.

    Church of England votes against allowing women bishops

    According to church rules, the vote may not be brought back before the synod during the current term, ending in 2015.

    Some, however, remain hopeful that women's ordination is only a matter of time.

    "There will be women bishops in my lifetime," Archbishop of York Dr. John Sentamu said, according to the BBC.

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    90 comments

    sandiego, When a church's position relies solely on arguments using discriminatory reasons or centuries old tradition then it is OK to change them. We're not a society comparable to those of 4-2 thousand years ago when most "scripture" was written.

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  • 20
    Nov
    2012
    1:54pm, EST

    Church of England votes against allowing women bishops

    Yui Mok / Pool via AP

    The outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, center right, embraces an unidentified person after draft legislation introducing the first women bishops in the Church of England failed to receive final approval from the Church of England General Synod, at Church House in central London, on Nov. 20.

    By Reuters

    The Church of England voted on Tuesday against legislation that would have allowed the ordination of women bishops, the culmination of more than 10 years of divisive debate.


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    The General Synod, the legislative body of the Church which is made up of separate houses for bishops, clergy and laity, failed to reach the two-thirds majority required in all three houses to pass the measure.

    "It was carried in the house of bishops and clergy, but lost in the house of laity. The motion having been lost ... we do not proceed any further," said Archbishop of York John Sentamu.

    Women already serve as Anglican bishops in Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the United States, but the Church of England, mother church for the world's 80 million Anglicans, has struggled to reconcile the dispute between reformers and traditionalists on whether to allow them in England.

    Church of England to vote on women bishops

    The Church had already voted to allow women bishops in theory but Tuesday's vote, on provisions to be made for conservatives theologically opposed to senior women clergy, needed to pass before women could be enthroned as Anglican bishops in England.

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    Women clergy and others line up for the public gallery outside Church House on Nov. 20 in London.

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    276 comments

    Just need the oldest generation to pass away. Younger people will eventually come of age and things will be different.

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  • 22
    Apr
    2012
    6:56am, EDT

    Anglican official: Front-runner for top church job victim of 'naked racism'

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    Archbishop of York John Sentamu stands next to Britain's Queen Elizabeth II as she leaves the Royal Maundy Service at York Minster in York, northern England, on April 5. During the Royal Maundy Service the queen distributed the Maundy money to 86 women and 86 men -- one for each of the queen's 86 years.

    By msnbc.com and news services

    The church of England's only black bishop, tipped to become the new leader of the 80-million strong worldwide Anglican Communion, is the victim of blatant racism, a former aide told a British newspaper.

    "At its best, the besmirching of (Archbishop of York) John Sentamu has revealed that strand of snobbery which views outsiders as lacking class, diplomacy or civility — in other words 'not one of us,'" Rev Arun Arora told The Sunday Telegraph newspaper.  "At worst, it has elicited the naked racism which still bubbles under the surface in our society, and which is exposed when a black man is in line to break the chains of history."


    Outgoing Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, who has agonized about schisms in the Anglican Communion, a federation of 38 national and regional churches, is over women and gay bishops and same-sex unions, announced unexpectedly last month that he would step down at the end of the year.

    He presided over a church split between progressives ready to allow women bishops and bless same-sex unions, and conservatives opposed to such modern reforms.

    Rowan Williams quits: could Anglican church have its first black spiritual leader?

    The resignation of Willliams, a white-bearded and bushy-browed theologian, appeared to spell the end for his faltering project to forge more unity in the federation.

    Arora's charges of an "anonymous whispering" campaign against Uganda-born Archbishop of York John Sentamu came as an anonymous bishop compared Sentamu's temperament to that of an "African chief," according to the Telegraph. 

    Sentamu was born in Uganda and  fled to Britain in 1974 to escape from dictator Idi Amin. 

    A second unnamed bishop told the newspaper:

    "I think Sentamu is clearly going to be a very strong front-runner, although I think there are also the people who are not quite sure that he is suitable in terms of the way he behaves, because he is quite tribal and the African chief thing comes through ... There is something in Sentamu which retains his African views and approach, which can be at one time an asset and another time can be a problem."

    When he announced his decision to step down, Williams said it was time to move on after a decade as archbishop and a his new post as master of Magdelene College at Cambridge University would give him the time "which I have longed for" to think and write about the Church.

    "I would hope that my successor has the constitution of an ox and the skin of a rhinoceros," he said at the time.

    Sentamu has praised Williams as "God's apostle for our time," a courageous and holy man who had been "much maligned by people who should have known better." 

    Elizabeth Hunter, director of the London-based religious think tank Theos, described Sentamu as more conservative than Williams. But she did not see him making a sharp break in the Church or the Communion. 

    "Anyone who gets this post will not take a radical diversion from the path that Archbishop Rowan has been treading simply because there really isn't any other choice," she told Reuters.  

    Other possible contenders to replace Williams reportedly include: Richard Chartres, the Bishop of London who gave the address at the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton last year; Bishop of Bradford Nick Baines, known as the ''blogging'' bishop, in recognition of his enthusiasm for new media; and Tim Stevens, the Bishop of Leicester.

    Msnbc.com and Reuters contributed to this report.

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    124 comments

    Oh My God:.....Not another down trodden Black story again!..... I remember Oprah talking how she is discriminated against.....Probably the wealthiest woman in America, and even she uses the "race" card.......Get a @!$%#ing life already.

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  • 16
    Mar
    2012
    1:02pm, EDT

    Rowan Williams quits: could Anglican church have its first black spiritual leader?

    Leon Neal / AFP - Getty Images

    A file picture taken on July 11, 2008 shows Archbishop of York John Sentamu speaking to the media about the plight of the people who have fled Zimbabwe in Parliament Square in London.

    By Alastair Jamieson, msnbc.com

    LONDON - The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams - spiritual leader of the global Anglican Communion - is to step down, ending a turbulent era in which Church of England has been sharply divided on issues such as same-sex marriage, female clergy and gay bishops.

    He announced on his website Friday he would be leaving his post at the end of the year after a decade of wrestling with the near-impossible task of reconciling traditionalists and liberals among the church's 77 million worldwide followers.

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    The church is known in the U.S. as the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States of America. Its Presiding Bishop is currently Katharine Jefferts Schori.

    "Williams was in an almost impossible position, trying to keep together the two tectonic plates of the increasingly liberal American Anglican church and the conservatives in Africa," Jonathan Wynne-Jones, a Chicago-based journalist and former Religious Affairs Correspondent of Britain's Sunday Telegraph told msnbc.com.

    "The Episcopal Church is very liberal on issues such as gay marriage and gay clergy - it ordained a lesbian bishop two years ago - and Williams has been caught between them and conservatives without really satisfying either side."

    Williams has also tried to reach an agreed position on the ordination of women as bishops in the Church of England after a string of traditionalists left to join the Roman Catholic church.

    Unlike the Catholic Church, the Anglican movement's head has no direct control over its members, making the structure of authority harder to define. It has approximately 1.9 million followers in the United States and central America.

    Williams, an academic and a poet, will move to a new post as master of Magdalene College at Cambridge University.

    In an interview with the Press Association on Friday, he spoke of the demands of the job, hoping that his successor "has the constitution of an ox and the skin of a rhinoceros".

    He added: "I think the Church of England is a great treasure. I wish my successor well in the stewardship of it."

    The current favorite to succeed him is the Uganda-born Archbishop of York, John Sentamu, a populist conservative with a high media profile thanks to his attention-grabbing acts, such as sky-diving to raise money for families of servicemen killed in Afghanistan.

    The Daily Telegraph reported that other possible contenders to replace Williams include: Richard Chartres, the Bishop of London who gave the address at the marriage of Prince William and Kate Middleton last year; Bishop of Bradford Nick Baines, known as the ''blogging'' bishop, in recognition of his enthusiasm for new media; and Tim Stevens, the Bishop of Leicester.

    However, Wynne-Jones said: "Sentamu is the hot favorite but I would not be surprised if the eventual choice is somebody who has kept a lower profile."

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    59 comments

    Of course, since he is a man of color, he'll need to produce his long-form birth certificate before he can be considered.

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