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    8
    Nov
    2012
    4:21am, EST

    'I remember all of the pain again': Obama victory infuriates Pakistani drone victims

    Mohammad Hussain / AP

    Supporters of cricket star-turned-politician Imran Khan's party raise their hands during a peace march protesting U.S. drone strikes on the outskirts of Tank, Pakistan, on Oct. 7.

    By Reuters

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — The roars celebrating the re-election of U.S. President Barack Obama on television give Mohammad Rehman Khan a searing headache, as years of grief and anger come rushing back.

    The 28-year-old Pakistani accuses the president of robbing him of his father, three brothers and a nephew, all killed in a U.S. drone aircraft attack a month after Obama first took office.

    "The same person who attacked my home has gotten re-elected," he told Reuters in the capital, Islamabad, where he fled after the attack on his village in South Waziristan, one of several ethnic Pashtun tribal areas on the Afghan border.


     

    "Since yesterday, the pressure on my brain has increased. I remember all of the pain again."

    The whole world was watching as America chose its president, and the general sentiment appeared to be a sigh of relief. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

    World leaders welcome Obama's 2nd term — but many challenges loom

    In his re-election campaign, Obama gave no indication he would halt or alter the drone program, which he embraced in his first term to kill al-Qaida and Taliban militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan without risking American lives.

    Drone strikes are highly unpopular among many Pakistanis, who consider them a violation of sovereignty that cause unacceptable civilian casualties.

    "Whenever he has a chance, Obama will bite Muslims like a snake. Look at how many people he has killed with drone attacks," said Haji Abdul Jabar, whose 23-year-old son was killed in such a bombing.

    Analysts say anger over the unmanned aircraft may have helped the Taliban gain recruits, complicating efforts to stabilize the unruly border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan. That could also hinder Obama's plan to withdraw U.S. troops from Afghanistan in 2014.

    A group of 32 American anti-drone activists will join a march to Pakistan's tribal areas, where U.S. strikes have killed thousands of people over the last eight years. NBC News Amna Nawaz spoke to some of them.

    Americans ignore 'great risks,' travel to Pakistan to protest US drone strikes

    Obama authorized nearly 300 drone strikes in Pakistan during his first four years in office, more than six times the number during the administration of George W. Bush, according to the New America Foundation policy institute.

    Since 2004, a total of 337 U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan have killed between 1,908 and 3,225 people.

    The institute estimates about 15 percent of those killed were non-militants, although that percentage has declined sharply to about 1-2 percent this year. Washington says drone strikes are very accurate and cause minimal civilian deaths.

    The Pakistani government says tens of thousands of Pakistanis have been killed in the fight against militants. Many were civilians caught in suicide bombings. Others were killed by the Pakistani army.

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    Getting accurate data on casualties and the effects of drones is extremely difficult in the dangerous, remote and often inaccessible tribal areas. The Taliban often seal off the sites of strikes.

    Slideshow: Pakistan: A nation in turmoil

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    While the aerial campaign has weakened al-Qaida, its ally, the Pakistani Taliban, remains a potent force despite a series of Pakistan army offensives against their strongholds in the northwest.

    Seen as the biggest security threat to the U.S.-backed Pakistani government, that faction of the Taliban is blamed for many of the suicide bombings across Pakistan, and a number of high-profile attacks on military and police facilities.

    For many Pakistanis, 'USA' means drones

    "We are amazed that Obama has been re-elected. But for us there is no difference between Obama and Romney; both are enemies. And we will keep up our jihad and fight alongside our Afghan brothers to get the Americans out of Afghanistan," Pakistan Taliban spokesman Ehsanullah Ehsan said.

    On Thursday, a suicide bomber rammed the gates of a military base in Pakistan's biggest city, Karachi, killing at least one soldier and wounding more than a dozen people.

    Pakistan's 'Generation Y' battles to shape country's future

    Pakistanis were largely indifferent in the run-up to Tuesday's election, expecting little change to the drone attacks regardless of whether Obama or Republican challenger Mitt Romney won.

    "Any American, whether Obama or Mitt Romney, is cruel," Warshameen Jaan Haji, whose neighborhood was struck by a drone last week, told Reuters on the eve of the election. "I lost my wife in the drone attack and my children are injured. Whatever happens, it will be bad for Muslims."

    Pakistani politician Imran Khan, a vocal critic of U.S. drone strikes, said he believed Obama stepped up the attacks in his first term so he wouldn't look weak on national security.

    Despite security concerns, presidential candidate Imran khan leads an anti-drone rally, including 30 Americans, into Pakistan's badlands. Amna Nawaz reports.

    "I think Obama essentially has an anti-war instinct," he told Reuters. "Without the worry of being re-elected, he will de-escalate the war, including the use of drones. This is positive."

    Can social media propel 'rock star' politician Imran Khan to power?

    But for Mohammad Khan, who is not related to the former cricketer, the damage is already done.

    The February 2009 drone attack that destroyed his home left him as the main provider for 13 family members, forcing him to move to Islamabad and work with a real estate company.

    "When the Sandy hurricane came, I thought that Allah would wipe away America," he said. "America just wants to take over the world."

    More world stories from NBC News:

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    • Analysis: Payback time? Israelis wonder what Obama win will mean
    • China launches once-a-decade changing of the guard
    • Analysis: Top 10 foreign policy issues facing Obama
    • Embassy ballots give Chinese a glimpse of democracy
    • Romney's English cousin sad he lost, sort of

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    355 comments

    Obama victory infuriates Pakistani drone victims Hmmm, the gop had the same reaction?

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  • 7
    Nov
    2012
    11:05am, EST

    Embassy ballots give Chinese a glimpse of democracy ahead of power transfer

    David Lom / NBC News

    Huang Annian, a retired professor of American history at Beijing Normal University, casts a ballot in a mock election at the American Embassy in Beijing, China, on Wednesday.

    By Ed Flanagan, NBC News

    BEIJING — Huang Annian cast his vote this week in his sixth straight U.S. presidential election. But his vote has never been counted. 

    Huang, a retired professor of American history at Beijing Normal University and a Chinese national who has been casting ballots at U.S. election parties in China for about 25 years, said the Obama-Romney race was especially significant.


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    “This year was a very important election,” Huang told NBC News from the American Embassy’s party on Wednesday morning, Beijing time. “The most important issue China and the U.S. will face is whether they develop together or tear each other down.”


    Hosted by organizations like the American Chamber of Commerce and the American Embassy, the events usually include a mock ballot that allow Chinese nationals to cast a vote. 

    World leaders welcome Obama's 2nd term - but many challenges wait on his doorstep

    That this celebration of American democracy was coming on the eve of a critical, once-a-decade leadership change in China’s ruling Communist Party was not lost on the attendees.  It served to contrast the rowdy American election that risked overwhelmed viewers worldwide with too much information, with China’s crucial transfer of power, which has been shrouded in secrecy.

    While the candidates are scrutinized and skewered by the media in the U.S., China's new leader Xi Jinping remains a man of mystery among his citizens. NBC's Ian Williams reports

    ‘I voted’
    Past “election” events have been relatively lavish affairs complete with fully catered breakfasts at Western-brand hotel chains.  This year’s was more modest. The 400-plus guests – about 100 Chinese nationals, the rest Americans working in China – were only offered light snacks: muffins, cookies and fruit to go with their coffee. A reflection, maybe, of the austere times the American government is experiencing.

    Suspicion of US rife as White House contenders batter China

    Still, there were abundant signs of celebration – balloons festooned the hotel ballroom and TVs were setup with videos that explained how elections in the United States work and what it means to Americans. Chinese guests who participated in the vote appeared to enjoy the pageantry of voting – going into the booth, filling out the ballot and sliding it into the ballot box.

    Slideshow: Election 2012

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    By the end of the day many of them were gathering around the booths for photos, “I voted” pins proudly displayed on their jacket lapels.

    Among them was Huang.

    Huang, a self-described American politics junkie in his 70s who blogs regularly about the U.S. elections, was among the first to arrive. Accompanied by his wife, who has attended every one of the election events with him, the two cheerfully marched up to the voting booths when voting opened.

    In the past Huang has cast “winning” votes for the likes of Bill Clinton and George H.W. Bush.  

    In the final presidential debate, Mitt Romney says the country needs to get tough on China on currency manipulation and counterfeit products.

    This year? His vote went to the eventual winner, Barack Obama, who won over 150 of the 200 ballots cast at the mock election.

    All smiles upon exiting the booth, Huang urged embassy staff to invite him and his wife to the 2016 event.

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    But he had a more serious message too, urging collaboration, not competition between the countries.

    “There will be many more conflicts between China and the U.S., but there will be more cooperation as well because the two countries are codependent,” he said. “China cannot continue to develop without the United States and the U.S. cannot remain on top without China.”

    Indeed, when the euphoria of his re-election passes, Obama will face a barrage of issues that will challenge the Sino-US relationship.  These range from concerns about trade imbalances that American trade officials say allow China to undercut U.S. competitiveness to Beijing’s concerns about the true intention of the Obama administration’s “pivot” back to the Asia-Pacific region.

    Much at stake for US as tensions rise in troubled China Seas

    Despite the tensions between the two countries, Obama appears to have been the choice of officials and academics who attended the party.

    Neither candidate would have significantly altered the direction of the Sino-U.S. relationship, and Obama provided familiarity and comfort born from experience, professor He Xingqiang told NBC News.

    China brings its 1st aircraft carrier into service, joining 9-nation club

    “I think both China and the U.S. want to keep stable relations,” the associate professor at the Institute for American Studies at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences told NBC News after Obama’s victory was announced.

    “If Obama gets reelected, he can continue his China policy,” he said. “ If Romney got elected, no big problem for China-U.S. relations, but a little trouble … because Romney has said some tough words about China.”

    NBC News’ Johanna Armstrong and Le Li contributed to this report.

    More world stories from NBC News:

    • World leaders welcome Obama's 2nd term - but challenges loom
    • Analysis: Top 10 foreign policy issues facing Obama
    • Romney's English cousin sad he lost, sort of
    • Analysis: US loses patience with Syria opposition group
    • Meet Afghan female rapper, colonel who defy the odds

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    I voted. Where are my muffins? On second thought I fear voter fraud will skyrocket with the ever present lure of additional pastries. We are but human, lovers of muffins one and all.

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  • 7
    Nov
    2012
    5:08am, EST

    From Obama's old school to his ancestral village, world reacts to US presidential election

    Thomas Mukoya / Reuters

    Relatives of U.S. President Barack Obama sing and dance as they run along a dirt road during celebrations for his re-election at his ancestral home village of Nyangoma Kogelo, 367 miles west of Kenya's capital Nairobi, on November 7, 2012.

    By David R Arnott, NBC News

    Villagers in western Kenya danced, cheered and waved branches in the air to celebrate Barack Obama's re-election Wednesday as news of his victory resonated far beyond American shores.

    A crowd had gathered to watch television coverage in Kogelo, where Obama's late father was raised, and the president's step-grandmother wore a delighted smile after the result was announced.

    Dai Kurokawa / EPA

    President Obama's step-grandmother Sarah Onyango Obama smiles during a press conference held after Obama's victory was announced in Nyang'oma Kogelo village, where President Barack Obama's late father Barack Obama Sr. was raised and Sarah lives, on November 7, 2012.

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    Kenyan supporters of Barack Obama react as they watch the news coverage announcing Obama's victory in Nyang'oma Kogelo village on November 7, 2012.

    Ben Curtis / AP

    Villagers ride motorcycles and wave branches to celebrate Barack Obama's re-election, in the village of Kogelo on Nov. 7, 2012.

    At the elementary school where Obama studied as a boy in Jakarta, Indonesia, students happily marched with a poster of the president from one classroom to another after hearing that he had defeated Mitt Romney, Reuters reported. "Obama wins ... Obama wins again," they shouted.

    World leaders welcome Obama's 2nd term - but many challenges wait on his doorstep

    A statue of a young "Barry" Obama, as he was called as a child, stands outside the school.  "I want to be like him, the president," student Alexander Ananta said.

    Enny Nuraheni / Reuters

    Students at State Elementary School Menteng 01, where U.S. President Barack Obama studied from 1970-1971, cheer in support of Obama while watching television coverage of the U.S. presidential election in Jakarta, Indonesia, Nov. 7.

     

    Rafiq Maqbool / AP

    A U.S. citizen watches the live telecast of U.S. presidential election results in Mumbai, India, Nov 7, 2012.

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    Staff and relatives of the Obama Onsen, or Obama hot spring, resort area shout "banzai," or cheers, in celebration next to a doll of Barack Obama in Unzen, Japan, Nov. 7. The banner reads "Ganbare (Cheers) Obama."

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    Slideshow: Election 2012

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    trully, the world loves Obama. when I grow up I want to be just like him

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  • 7
    Nov
    2012
    5:13am, EST

    World leaders welcome Obama's 2nd term - but many challenges wait on his doorstep

    Difficult situations remain for President Obama in Syria, Afghanistan, Iran and Israel. NBC's Richard Engel discusses what Obama needs to do to overcome these challenges in his second term.

    By NBC News staff

    Updated at 8:32 a.m. ET: LONDON -- World leaders from Mexico City to Beijing were quick to congratulate Barack Obama on his victory early Wednesday – but the re-elected president faces a slew of foreign policy challenges in his second term.

    "I would like to congratulate re-elected President Barack Obama from the bottom of my heart," German Chancellor Angela Merkel told local television. "We know each other well and I am looking forward to our cooperation ... My heartfelt congratulations on this day today."

    British Prime Minister David Cameron and Enrique Peña Nieto, president-elect of Mexico, both posted goodwill messages on Twitter.

    Warm congratulations to my friend @barackobama. Look forward to continuing to work together.

    — David Cameron (@David_Cameron) November 7, 2012

    "It will give me great pleasure to congratulate him personally on my next visit to the United States and work together for the benefit of our countries," Pena Nieto said.

    PhotoBlog: From Obama's old school to his ancestral village - world reacts to US election

    Bars and U.S. embassies threw election-night parties to watch the returns came in. At the Redhook American-themed restaurant in London, many stayed up until 4:30 a.m. local time (11:30 p.m. ET) to watch TV networks call the result for Obama.

    "I think he's shown a sort of diplomacy and maturity that maybe under George W. Bush we didn't see," Chris Padden, a 27-year-old education worker, told NBC News. "I think we are hoping that he's going to show the same diplomacy over the next four years."

    Slideshow: Election 2012

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    Ciaran McCafferty, 30, who works in finance, said: "It's still very exciting, even though it's not our election. The United States is a big player in the world and it's important for everyone's life."

    Across the U.K. capital at the U.S. Embassy, one Mitt Romney supporter told NBC's Jim Maceda: "I'm incredibly sad. This has been very long and grueling ... We did every single thing we could."

    At an election night party in Frankfurt, Germany, student Teresa Isigkeit said: "I am pretty positive that Obama is going to have a great second term and he is a great president, so that's all we were hoping for."

    Dr. Martin Thunert, political analyst at the University of Heidelberg in Germany, added: "I think most people in Germany and many western European countries were hoping for the re-election of President Obama. What I think is important for many Europeans that banking regulations that Obama introduced a couple of years ago will continue. And some were afraid that a Romney administration would repeal that, so I think in that sense they are quite happy."

    Watch the drama of election night quickly unfold in a three-minute montage of sights and sounds.

    China's Foreign Ministry said President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiaobao phoned Obama to congratulate him. Vice President Xi Jinping, who is to begin taking over this week in China's once-a-decade leadership transition, phoned Vice President Joe Biden to congratulate him.

    At a party at the U.S. Embassy in Beijing, student Liu Xin, who is aged in her 30s, said watching the U.S. election was "like a window to learn U.S. politics."

    "Personally, I'm in support of President Obama, because I feel himself is a symbol of realization of American dream," she told NBC News.

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    Zindzi Mandela, daughter of former South African President Nelson Mandela, told a party in Pretoria: "As a mother and as a grandmother who raises boy children, I think that the symbolism of having a black man occupy the highest office is something that can make my children very aspirational to know that this is possible, you know, in their lifetime."

    In Cairo, retail manager Mohamed Hindawi, 42, stayed up half the night watching the results come in. "Really we are happy, it’s a very good morning," he said. "It’s a very good morning for all the Egyptians, not me, all the Egyptians.  If I were in the states I would vote for Obama.  All of my friends there they vote for him."

    In Kogelo village in western Kenya, Obama's step-grandmother Sarah Obama congratulated her grandson on his victory. "Take the great job that people have given to you and lead them well. They have shown immense love to have voted for you," she said.

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    Kenyan villagers ride motorcycles and wave branches to celebrate Obama's re-election in the village of Kogelo, which is home to Barack Obama's step-grandmother on Wednesday.

    However, NBC News' Chief Foreign Correspondent Richard Engel said Obama should "enjoy his victory" now,  adding:"Starting very soon, the rest of the world will be crashing down on the president’s doorstep.”

    “You have the issue of Syria – a county that is imploding, and a conflict that could quickly spread to other countries in the region. You have the issue of Afghanistan, the war that is still ongoing. The expectation now is there will have to be a refocusing on Afghanistan to try and end that conflict.

    “There are many Israelis who are not keen on Barack Obama – they did not want to see him elected,” Engel added.

    Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has had a strained relationship with the American president over his policies on Iran and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, congratulated the president in a text message to reporters. "I will continue to work with President Obama to preserve the strategic interests of Israel's citizens," he said. 

    Top 10 foreign policy issues facing Obama

    Would a Romney victory have made a difference to the situation in Afghanistan? Not much, according to Daoud Sultanzoy, political analyst in Kabul. "The bottom line would have been the same, I think - just their style of management would have been different.

    "Mr. Obama...said some things that were good but he didn’t do them, he didn’t fulfill his commitments when it came to transparencies, when it came to credibility of both side’s commitment and accountability.  He just paid lip service in the past four years and that has damaged the Afghan people."

    NBC's Tom Brokaw discusses the unlikely story of President Barack Obama's path to the White House and a second term as president.

    In Iran, with whom relations are tense because of Tehran's nuclear program, the semiofficial Fars news agency rolled out the vivid headline, "Republican's elephant crushed by Democrat's donkey." 

    Professor Cyrus Izadi, from the department of social science at Tehran University, told NBC News: "There are two camps in Iran. One camp favored Romney because historically the Republicans have been less successful in putting Iran under pressure and they are unlikely to start a war so they would have been better for Iran. Another camp feels that the Republicans are serious about starting a conflict with Iran and it would be better to have Obama leading America because he does not have an appetite for war."

    Engel speculated that Obama may seek to use his second term to attempt an Arab-Israeli peace deal to secure his legacy, even though he has already been awarded the Nobel Prize for peace. 

    However, NBC Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent Andrea Mitchell said: "I don't think he's got the opportunity. It has really died on the vine - you don't have the leadership on either side committed on this. I would be really surprise if they could find a way. It is clear this president is going to have to visit Israel, which he didn't do in his first term... and repair damage with Jewish Americans."

    Israel gives muted congrats; the Taliban says Obama and Romney are pretty much the same enemy, to continue to fight.

    — Michelle Kosinski (@MKosinskiNBC) November 7, 2012

    The election result made some late editions of European newspapers. "OBAMA WINS" ran the giant front-page headline in the U.K.'s Daily Telegraph.

    NBC News' Andy Eckardt, Ali Arouzi, Ed Flanagan, Michelle Kosinski, Charlene Gubash, Atia Abawi, F. Brinley Bruton, Shanshan Dong, Michele Neubert, Peter Jeary and Alastair Jamieson contributed to this report.

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    • Rape remarks sink two Republican Senate hopefuls
    • Now that he's won, the six splitting headaches waiting for Obama
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    • Wisconsin's Baldwin becomes 1st openly gay senator
    • Pence in as governor of Indiana; Hassan wins in N.H.
    • Majority of voters see American on wrong track

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    The right wing wackos are out this morning. I wonder if they slept good last night? When they sober up they will understand the error of their ways. Get over it. 4 more 4 44.

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  • 8
    Oct
    2012
    11:52am, EDT

    Romney: Risk of conflict higher in Mideast after Obama policies

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    Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney \arrives to deliver a foreign policy speech at Virginia Military Institute in Lexington, Va., Monday, Oct. 8, 2012.

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    Updated at 12:20 p.m. ET: Mitt Romney accused President Barack Obama of leading a rudderless foreign policy, saying Monday that the threat of conflict in the Middle East is greater than it was four years ago.

    The Republican presidential nominee delivered a major policy address at the Virginia Military Institute, which was intended to distinguish Romney from Obama on questions of foreign policy, while also casting Romney as a steady, presidential and plausible commander-in-chief for voters. 

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    The speech focused heavily on upheaval in the Middle East — the attack on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya, popular uprisings in Syria and Egypt, the Iranian nuclear program and America's relationship with Israel — to level the charge that Obama had chosen to "lead from behind" as president.

    During a campaign speech at the Virginia Military Institute, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney outlined his plan for easing tension in the Middle East, preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons capability and a successful transition of power in Afghanistan.

    "The president is fond of saying that 'the tide of war is receding.'  And I want to believe him as much as anyone," Romney said. "But when we look at the Middle East today … it is clear that the risk of conflict in the region is higher now than when the president took office."

    Romney essentially argued that, in most instances, Obama had failed to project a clear and coherent American policy abroad. The GOP presidential hopeful suggested that he would use U.S. power with greater clarity, taking a tougher tack versus Iran and working to support allied forces in Syria, where the Assad regime has launched assaults on rebels that have left thousands dead.

    Much of the speech dealt with the recent outbreak of violence in Libya, where a siege on a U.S. consulate — waged apparently by terrorists — left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens.

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney is set to deliver a major foreign policy speech today, but as NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro report, the policies Romney will propose sound similar to those pursued by President Obama.

    Romney said those attacks were "likely the work of forces affiliated with those that attacked our homeland on Sept. 11, 2001," reflecting the emerging admission by the Obama administration that the Libya incident was a terrorist attack, rather than a spontaneous protest connected to a web video about Islam, as had originally been thought.

    Romney's handling of the immediate aftermath of the Benghazi attack, though, had partly prompted his decision to deliver such a broad-reaching foreign policy address as today's. The candidate earlier had charged the administration with, essentially, siding with the attackers on the U.S. consulate — an argument that was labeled by critics as capricious, since it came just hours after Stevens' death.

    "I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions," Romney said at the time. "It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values."

    Today, Romney placed blame for the attacks "solely" with those who had launched them, but argued that Obama had nonetheless been asleep at the wheel throughout the crisis.

    "It is the responsibility of our president to use America’s great power to shape history — not to lead from behind, leaving our destiny at the mercy of events," Romney said. "Unfortunately, that is exactly where we find ourselves in the Middle East under President Obama."

    That theme echoed throughout Romney's remarks, which included a vow to tighten sanctions against Iran's nuclear program and reverse a set of automatic spending cuts — which would fall heavily on the defense budget — set to take place at the beginning of 2013, barring action by Congress.

    Romney also called for a closer relationship between the U.S. and Israel, a hallmark of the Republican nominee's campaign speeches, along with expanded free-trade pacts in the Middle East and beyond.

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    The former Massachusetts governor also said he would act more forcefully to encourage popular uprisings in Syria and Egypt. Romney said he would "identify and organize those members of the opposition who share our values" in Syria, and arm them. In Egypt, Romney said he would try to influence that government's development to support democracy and their peace treaty with Israel.

    Monday's stagecraft, though, was essentially an effort to offer up Romney as a reasonable alternative to Obama as a world leader, and distinguish the two candidates more meaningfully. There were details, though, that were absent from Romney's speech; he didn't outline the standard by which he would authorize more sanctions or military action versus Iran. And while Romney called Obama's decision to withdraw the last "surge" troops from Afghanistan last month a "politically timed retreat," Romney would only have kept those troops there a few months longer, through the height of the fighting season.

    Obama enjoys an advantage over Romney on both the question of which candidate would be a better commander-in-chief and which candidate voters trust to better manage foreign policy.

    Forty-seven percent of voters said in last week's NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll that Obama would be a better commander in chief; 39 percent of registered voters preferred Romney. On the question of who would best handle foreign policy, Obama led 46 to 40 percent.

    But there are additional signs that Obama faces vulnerabilities. Americans were split, 46 to 45 percent, in disapproving of the president's handling of the situation in Egypt, Libya and other Arab countries that are suffering from unrest.

    "We just watched what leadership looks like," said Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, the Republican vice presidential nominee, in Ohio shortly after Romney's remarks concluded.

    Still, the election is expect to focus primarily on issues of the economy, while foreign policy takes a backseat to more dominant pocketbook issues.

    Foreign policy and national security strategy, though, will each be litigated further over the course of the campaign. One of the two remaining debates between Obama and Romney will be mostly dedicated to that subject, and this Thursday's vice presidential debate will pit Ryan — whose expertise rests on budgetary issues, not foreign policy — against Vice President Joe Biden, a former chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

     

     

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    His foreign policy advisers are the same old bush advisers, Bolton, Secore, Chaney, Rumsfelt, Gaffney, need I go on. What a disaster if this man wins the election.

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  • 18
    Sep
    2012
    2:18pm, EDT

    Romney: Peace between Palestinians and Israelis 'almost unthinkable'

    By Domenico Montanaro, Kimberley Barr, and Matt Loffman

    Peace in the Middle East -- probably not going to happen, and it’s Palestinians’ fault, according to Mitt Romney.

    That was the sentiment from the Republican nominee for president at a closed-door fundraiser, according to released excerpts of video from the left-leaning magazine Mother Jones. Romney painted Palestinians as “having no interest” in peace and “committed to the destruction of Israel.”

    “I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard,” Romney said when asked how he thinks the “Palestinian problem can be solved.” “One is the one that I've had for some time which is that the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace, and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish.”

    This contradicts public comments from Romney that he believes in a "two-state solution." “I believe in a two-state solution which suggests there will be two states, including a Jewish state," he told the newspaper Haaretz.

    Romney talks about the difficulty in establishing borders for an independent Palestine that would allow Israelis to thwart the flow of weapons from Iran to the region.

    “We have got to keep the Iranians from bringing weaponry into the West Bank,” Romney said.

    Related: Leaked video is the latest hit for Romney

    He adds: “These are problems that are very hard to solve. And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes -- committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel. I just say there is no way, and so, what you do is you move things along the best way you can and hope for some degree of stability, but you recognize this is going to remain an unsolved problem.

    Former Gov. John Sununu talks Mitt Romney's remarks saying his comments were "in response to a president who has decided to run a campaign on class warfare."

    “The idea of pushing on the Israelis to give something up, to give the Palestinians to act is the worst thing in the world. We have done that time and time again. It does not work. The only answer is to show strength again, American strength, American resolve and the Palestinians someday reach a point where they want peace or that we are trying to force peace on them. That is worth having a discussion. But until then it's just a political thing.”

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    Romney has been sharply critical of President Obama's handling of the Israeli-Palestinian relationship -- in particular, President Obama's urging Israel to halt settlement expansion.

    American presidents have struggled for decades to broker peace between Israelis and Palestinians. Though the United States has provided Israel with military support and arms, it has traditionally maintained a role of neutrality when it comes to discussing the peace process.

    This is not the first time Romney has found himself in the midst of controversy when it comes to Israeli-Palestinian issues.

    Back in July, at a fundraiser during his overseas trip, Romney implied Palestinian “culture” was to blame for lower gross-domestic product in areas controlled by the Palestinian Authority versus Israel.

    “Culture makes all the difference,” Romney said. “Culture makes all the difference.”

    The Romney campaign did not immediately respond to an email request for response.

    A full transcript of the exchange is below:

    QUESTION: You were in Jerusalem.  And we appreciate you being there.  How do you think that the Palestinian problem can be solved? What are you going to do about it?

    ROMNEY: “I'm torn by two perspectives in this regard.  One is the one that I've had for some time which is that the Palestinians have no interest whatsoever in establishing peace, and that the pathway to peace is almost unthinkable to accomplish. Now why do I say that? Some might say because the Palestinians have West Bank and have security and have set up a separate nation for the Palestinians. And then come a couple of thorny questions. I don't have a map here to look at the geography. But the border between Israel and the West Bank is obviously right there right next to Tel Aviv, which is the financial capital the industrial capital of Israel the center of Israel.

    It's what the border would be seven miles from Tel Aviv to what would the West Bank. Nine miles, okay I came close. Nine miles. The challenge is the other side of the West Bank, the other side of what would be this new Palestinian state would be Syria at one point or Jordan. Of course the Iranians would want to do through the West Bank exactly what they did to Lebanon what they did in Gaza, which is the Iranians would want to bring missile and armament into West bank and potentially threaten Israel. 

    So Israel of course would have to say that can't happen; we have got to keep the Iranians from bringing weaponry into the West Bank. Well that means who, the Israelis would patrol the border between Jordan, Syria, and this new Palestinian nation. Well the Palestinians would say no way we are an independent nation, you can't guard our border with other Arab nations. How about the airport? How about flying into this Palestinian nation? Are we going to allow military aircraft to come in and weaponry to come in, if not who is going to keep it from coming in? Well the Israelis. The Palestinians are going to say well we are not an independent nation if Israel is able to come in and tell us what to land in our airport.

    These are problems that are very hard to solve. And I look at the Palestinians not wanting to see peace anyway, for political purposes. Committed to the destruction and elimination of Israel. [inaudible] I just say there is no way and so what you do is you move things along the best way you can and hope for some degree of stability but you recognize this is going to remain an unsolved problem.

    The idea of pushing on the Israelis to give something up, to give the Palestinians to act is the worst thing in the world we have done that time and time again. It does not work. The only answer is to show strength again, American strength, American resolve and the Palestinians someday reach a point where they want peace or that we are trying to force peace on them. That is worth having a discussion. But until then it's just a political thing.

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  • 29
    Jul
    2012
    6:16am, EDT

    Mitt Romney would 'respect' Israel strike on Iran, aide says

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    U.S. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney meets Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Jerusalem, Sunday.

    By Garrett Haake, NBC News, and wire reports

    JERUSALEM - Mitt Romney would “respect” Israel's use of military force to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, a senior aide said on Sunday as the Republican presidential candidate began his visit to Jerusalem.

    "If Israel has to take action on its own, in order to stop Iran from developing that capability, the governor would respect that decision," Romney's senior national security aide Dan Senor told reporters traveling with the candidate.


    While stopping short of endorsing a preemptive military attack, the comment seemed to differ with President Barack Obama's attempts to convince Israel to avoid any such move.


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    Gov. Romney’s first meeting was Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, who greeted him as a “personal friend and friend of Israel.”

    Shaking hands underneath U.S. and Israel flags, the pair signaled that Iran would be top of the agenda in their discussions.

    Netanyahu said: "We have to be honest and say that all the sanctions and diplomacy so far have not set back the Iranian program by one iota. And that's why I believe that we need a strong and credible military threat coupled with the sanctions to have a chance to change that situation."

    Later, Gov. Romney and his wife Ann visited the city's Western Wall.

    Sunday’s comments came as a senior Israeli official denied a newspaper report that President Barack Obama's national security adviser had briefed Netanyahu on a U.S. contingency plan to attack Iran should diplomacy fail to curb its nuclear program.

    The Israeli liberal Haaretz daily on Sunday quoted an unnamed U.S. official as saying the adviser, Thomas Donilon, had described the plan over dinner with Netanyahu earlier this month.

    "Nothing in the article is correct. Donilon did not meet the prime minister for dinner, he did not meet him one-on-one, nor did he present operational plans to attack Iran," the senior official, who declined to be named given the sensitivity of the issue, told Reuters.

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    2026 comments

    Why is this a surprise, just proves that after 12 years of wars there is yet another war monger that never joined the service and avoided the draft 5 times, but does not mind sending other people into war so he can have some more private contracts and collect billions more.

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  • 26
    Jul
    2012
    12:22pm, EDT

    Romney compliments Olympic preparation after tizzy in British press

    Candidate Mitt Romney, who was slammed by the British media for comments he made about London's preparedness for the Olympics, now says that "after being here a couple days …  I'm absolutely convinced that the people here are ready for the Games."

    By NBC's Garrett Haake

    Updated at 8:02 a.m. ET on July 27: LONDON -- Mitt Romney found that all politics are, in fact, local after being forced Thursday to clarify remarks about London's preparation for the Olympics, which prompted a minor uproar in the British press.

    In his interview last night with NBC’s Brian Williams, Romney called several logistical issues at the 2012 Olympic games here “disconcerting” -- including a contracted security firm’s failure to provide enough personnel -- and said that a possible planned strike by customs and immigration officials was “not something which is encouraging.”

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    Local press seized on the comments, which generated buzz on British television today and which one newspaper columnist called “derisory." Even Prime Minister David Cameron reacted, pointing out that the London games were being held in a major metropolitan area, not in “the middle of nowhere,” a comment interpreted as a reference to the games Romney headed in Salt Lake City in 2002.


     

    Romney backtracked somewhat in comments to reporters outside the prime minister's residence, offering effusive praise for the London games, and calling the city's preparation for the event "really quite an accomplishment."

    “I don’t know of any Olympics that’s ever been able to run without any mistakes whatsoever, but they’re small, and I was encouraged, for instance to see, things that could have represented a real challenge—such as immigration and customs officers on duty, that is something which was resolved and the people are all pulling together,” Romney said in a short availability with both American and British reporters.

    “I’m very delighted with the prospects of a highly successful Olympic games,” Romney responded to a follow-up question. “What I’ve seen shows imagination and forethought and a lot of organization and I expect the games to be highly successful."

    GOP presidential hopeful Mitt Romney sparked a political firestorm during an interview with NBC's Brian Williams, in which he questioned whether London was ready for the Olympics. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

    The press availability capped a busy afternoon for the presumptive GOP nominee, who also met with an array of other current and former British leaders, including the deputy prime minister, foreign minister and leader of the opposition Labour Party -- along with former Prime Minister Tony Blair.

    Romney also tipped his hand at having met with the director of MI6, the British intelligence agency; the meeting wasn't on Romney's official itinerary, but Romney made reference to the meeting in his remarks.

    Press were allowed to record only the opening pleasantries between Romney and his hosts, but aides to the campaign told reporters that a wide range of issues were discussed in each meeting. Romney and Foreign Secretary William Hague discussed economic policy, trade, and the deteriorating situation in Syria.

    More London 2012 coverage from NBCNews.com

    Romney elaborated somewhat on his discussions about foreign affairs during his comments to reporters, saying he not only discussed Syria but several other regional hot spots, including Iran, Egypt, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

    “I don't want to refer to any comments made by leaders representing any other nations,” Romney said when asked to describe the conversations in more detail. “Nor do I want to describe foreign policy position which I might have while I’m on foreign soil. I think discussions of foreign policy should be made by the president, and the current administration, not by those who are seeking office.”

    A comment made by GOP candidate Mitt Romney during a Wednesday interview with NBC's Brian Williams led to some tension with UK Prime Minister David Cameron and the Mayor of London as well. NBC's Peter Alexander reports.

    Romney’s first full day in London comes as the candidate begins a three-nation foreign trip set to also include stops in Israel and Poland, and which mixes private meetings, public appearances and fundraisers with Americans abroad.

    Later this evening, Romney will hold one such high-dollar fundraiser at a luxury London hotel, with a minimum ticket price of $25,000 per person. In keeping with US election law, only American citizens will be allowed to donate and attend the fundraiser, and an invitation to the event examined by NBC News says passports will be checked at the door to ensure citizenship.

    Afterwards, Romney is expected to attend a reception honoring American athletes at the USA House in the Olympic village. Romney’s experience in running the 2002 Salt Lake City games was a regular topic in his meetings here today, as were his plans for taking in some of the London games.

    Romney told Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg he planned to attend a swimming event later this week because “Americans typically do well in swimming.”

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    Great title ... should read, "compliments Olympic preparation after tizzy in British press" caused by none other than Mitt's not being able to say anything positive about anything BUT himself. Thanks for this little tidbit ... “Americans typically do well in swimming.”

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  • 15
    May
    2012
    3:46pm, EDT

    Bush: Embrace change over 'so-called stability' in Arab Spring

    By NBC's Catherine Chomiak and Domenico Montanaro

    A stone's throw away from the White House, former President George W. Bush said today the world is in an "extraordinary" time for freedom and that the changes of the Arab Spring should be embraced despite the uncertain future that comes with them.

    Bush said those who say the dangers of democratic change are too great and that America should be in favor of stability over change are unrealistic.

    "In the long run, this foreign-policy approach is not realistic," Bush argued, "It is not realistic to presume that so-called stability enhances our national security. Nor is it within the power of America to indefinitely preserve the old order, which is inherently unstable."

    Bush advocated a clear stand. "American's message should ring clear and strong," Bush said. "We stand for freedom -- and for the institutions and habit that make freedom work for everyone."

    Bush's stance puts him at odds with some hard-liners in his party, who have considered Israel's interests in the region first. They have been critical of Hosni Mubarak's ouster and the political process that has followed, including the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood.

    The U.S., led by Obama, has walked a fine line on intervention during the Arab spring. America was reticent at first to get involved in Egypt, because of the "stability," from an American perspective, that Mubarak represented. But eventually Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton embraced the changes.

    The U.S. intervened in Libya, but only after building a multilateral approach and letting NATO take the lead. Some Republican presidential candidates knocked Obama for not intervening, and then others criticized him for getting involved at all. Newt Gingrich did both. The U.S. has not intervened in Syria, something Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) has been critical of Obama for not doing more on Syria.

    Romney on a radio program in October called the Arab Spring "out of control." “We’re facing an Arab Spring which is out of control in some respects," he said, "because the president was not as strong as he needed to be in encouraging our friends to move toward representative forms of government."

    He says on his website that what's happening in the Arab Spring is "doubled edged." And: "To protect our enduring national interests and to promote our ideals, a Romney administration will pursue a strategy of supporting groups and governments across the Middle East to advance the values of representative government, economic opportunity, and human rights, and opposing any extension of Iranian or jihadist influence. The Romney administration will strive to ensure that the Arab Spring is not followed by an Arab Winter."

    Bush acknowledged that once these movements succeed in overthrowing a regime the hard work is not behind them. "After the euphoria, nations must deal with questions of tremendous complexity," he said, adding, "Problems once kept submerged by force must now be resolved by politics and consensus."

    Bush and the former first lady were in town for the Washington launch of The Bush Center's Freedom Collection, which is an initiative to document the stories of dissidents. They were joined by Pastor Bob Fu the founder of ChinaAid and an advocate for Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng and the newly elected member of parliament Daw Aung San Suu Kyi appeared from Myanmar via Skype. Pastor Fu said he hopes to see Mr. Chen and his family in the U.S. soon.

    President Bush quipped at the top of his remarks that he found his freedom by leaving Washington.

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    Where did "W" crawl out from? How did he manage to escape his handlers? Just what we need, "W's" thoughts on foreign policy! I mean he was super effective when he was in office... right? Personally, I would love to see him out in public more - nothing like a glimpse of Bush to remind us of the suff …

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  • 11
    Mar
    2012
    11:18pm, EDT

    Taliban vow revenge for Afghans killed by US soldier

    An American staff sergeant is in custody after allegedly killing 16 civilians, including nine children, in a shooting spree in Afghanistan. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

     

    By NBC News, msnbc.com staff and news services

    Updated at 7:24 a.m. ET: A U.S. soldier's shooting of 16 Afghan civilians deepened questions on Monday about what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it withdraws, as Washington rushed to contain the damage from the startling rogue attack.

    President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta spoke to Afghan President Hamid Karzai by telephone and offered condolences for the attack, in which a U.S. soldier left his base in southern Afghanistan and began a middle-of-the-night shooting spree that local officials said killed nine children, three women, and four men.


    "This incident is tragic and shocking," Obama said in a statement.

    Reports of the attack remain confused. U.S. officials say only one soldier was involved, while villagers and other Afghans said it was a group of soldiers. But the Obama administration vowed a rapid investigation and promised to hold whoever was behind the violence fully responsible.

    Retired General Barry McCaffrey, an NBC News military analyst, talks to TODAY's Matt Lauer about what could have possibly driven a U.S. soldier to killed 16 civilians, including nine children, in Afghanistan.

    The soldier suspected of being responsible has been detained but has yet to be identified. However, a senior U.S. defense official confirmed to NBC News that he is based at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, south of Tacoma, Wash.

    LIVE Chat: Ask NBC's Afghanistan correspondent your questions about the attack 12:00-12:30p.m.ET

    While U.S. officials rushed to draw a line between the shooting and the ongoing efforts of a U.S. force of around 90,000, the incident is sure to infuriate Afghans already suspicious of a Western military presence now over a decade old. The incident may provide ammunition to those in Washington advocating for an accelerated exit from a long, costly and inconclusive war.

    'American savages'
    NBC News reported that there were no signs of demonstrations early Monday.

    In a statement Monday, the Afghan Taliban pledged to "take revenge" against the "sick-minded American savages," according to the AFP news agency.

    "The American 'terrorists' want to come up with an excuse for the perpetrator of this inhumane crime by claiming that this immoral culprit was mentally ill," the Taliban statement added. "If the perpetrators of this massacre were in fact mentally ill then this testifies to yet another moral transgression by the American military, because they are arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans without giving a second thought."

    Last month, the burning of copies of the Quran on a NATO military base triggered violent protests across the country and a spate of insider attacks against Western soldiers.

    Afghan suspect's base has recent history of controversies

    $500 billion war bill
    Sunday's attack may harden a growing consensus in Washington that, despite a troop surge, a war bill exceeding $500 billion and nearly 2,000 U.S. lives lost, prospects are dimming for what the United States can accomplish in Afghanistan before it pulls most troops out by the end of 2014.

    Obama's surge of 33,000 troops has beaten the Taliban back from some areas of Afghanistan's south, but serious doubts remain about whether an inexperienced local military and wobbly central government can keep a resilient insurgency at bay.

    Pete Souza / White House via Reuters

    President Barack Obama talks on a phone with Afghanistan's President Hamid Karzai from his vehicle in Chevy Chase, Md., on Sunday.

    "These killings only serve to reinforce the mindset that the whole war is broken and that there's little we can do about it beyond trying to cut our losses and leave," said Joshua Foust, a security expert with the American Security Project.

    Afghans haven’t traditionally responded with violence or widespread protests to civilian deaths, the Christian Science Monitor reported, as many view such behavior as a byproduct of war.

    Report: Suspect is Iraq veteran, married father of two children

    But, Abdul Rahim Ayobi, a member of Parliament from Kandahar told the Monitor, “it gives us the message that the American soldiers are not under the control of their generals and these American generals have failed to manage them.”

    If the incident triggers retaliatory violence against Western troops, it may well help shape ongoing deliberations within the Obama administration about how quickly U.S. soldiers should be withdrawn, possibly strengthening the case of those surrounding the president who back a more decisive drawdown.

    Obama and other NATO leaders are expected to define their plans for gradually trimming Western forces and putting Afghan troops in charge of security when they meet at a NATO summit in Chicago in May.

    'The house of cards is falling'
    Most Western combat troops are expected to be gone by the end of 2014, but some U.S. soldiers could remain beyond then, likely focusing on targeted strikes on militants and supporting local forces, who will need outside help for years to come.

    "This is terrible timing for people who either want to stay through 2014 or even extend the U.S. presence there," Foust said. "Though the overall number of (similar) incidents remains pretty low, there is a broad and growing perception that now both sides are dysfunctional and committing murder, or the house of cards is falling."

    In a post on Twitter, Pentagon spokesman George Little said the incident would not change the U.S. mission. "The recent tragedy in Afghanistan will not deter us from pursuing our fundamental strategy. We've come too far with our Afghan partners."

    Sunday's shooting may dispel the goodwill created by an agreement reached on Friday on control over military prisons in Afghanistan, which had been one of the remaining stumbling blocks to reaching a deal governing future U.S.-Afghan ties.

    MSNBC military analyst Gen. Barry McCaffrey (Ret.) says the alleged shooting of Afghan civilians by a US soldier is a 'further unraveling' of relations between the US and Afghanistan.

    Andrew Exum, a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and former Army Ranger, said the shootings come at a sensitive time in negotiations on that deal, which the White House wanted to unveil by the May summit.

    "One wonders whether or not internal political pressures in Afghanistan will constrain the options of Afghan negotiators on subjects ranging from U.S. basing rights to night raids," Exum said.

    Some U.S. officials told the New York Times that the Taliban hard-liners could be emboldened by the incidents. “The fear,” one U.S. official told the Times, “ is that all these incidents, taken together, play into the Taliban’s account of how we treat the Afghan religion and people.”

    Election impact?
    The shootings may complicate things for Obama ahead of November's presidential election.

    While jobs and the economy will likely remain the focus of the presidential race, the White House has hoped to point to a series of foreign policy successes, such as the killing of al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, to shore up Obama's support.

    The recent tumult in Afghanistan may increase the pressure Obama faces in coming months from fellow Democrats who favor a more rapid drawdown.

    Family loses 2 sons in Afghanistan

    While many Republicans have warned against pulling out too quickly, conservative presidential candidate Newt Gingrich voiced a very different view.

    "There's something profoundly wrong with the way we're approaching the whole region and I think it's going to get substantially worse, not better. And I think that we're risking the lives of young men and women in a mission that may frankly not be doable," Gingrich said on "Fox News Sunday."

    He said Washington should consider pulling out of Afghanistan and reconsider its role in the entire region.

    Slideshow: Afghanistan: Nation at a crossroads

    Qais Usyan / AFP - Getty Images

    More than a decade after the beginning of the war, Afghanistan faces external pressure to reform as well as ongoing internal conflicts.

    Launch slideshow

    "I understand the anger and the sorrow," said John McCain, the senior Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who like many other Republicans has warned a hasty withdrawal will undermine U.S. security in the long run.

    "I also understand that we should not forget that the attacks on the United States of America on 9/11 originated in Afghanistan, and if Afghanistan dissolved into a situation where the Taliban were able to take over, or a chaotic situation, it could easily return to an al-Qaida base for attacks," he said on "Fox News Sunday."

    UK mourns four 20-year-olds killed in Afghan attack

    Further complicating the matter is the limited patience many of Obama's top supporters have for Karzai, who has demanded an explanation for Sunday's shootings, which he called "intentional murders."

    "The great weakness in Afghanistan is Karzai," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y. "Nobody seems to trust him or like him. And the idea of turning it over to the Afghan forces is the right way to go, but that's a major question mark: Karzai."

    In the meantime, U.S. officials in Washington and on the ground appeared to be bracing themselves for a backlash.

    The U.S. Embassy, on its Twitter feed, said the movement of U.S. personnel in southern Afghanistan would be restricted and warned that "anti-American feelings and protests" may be ahead.

    Michael O'Hanlon, a military expert at the Brookings Institution, said the quick, conciliatory statements from senior American officials were wise, but added that it might not be possible to staunch Afghan fury that may be unleashed by the killings.

    "I don't know that a lot can be done," he said.

    NBC News, msnbc.com staff, Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

    1917 comments

    Get out of Afghanistan. The country was in problem for centuries. There is no common sense government in Afghanistan for centuries. They don't even have a road over there. 50 miles out of Kabul, everything is jungle and anything happens. Only wish is that the Taliban doesn't start abusing people onc …

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  • 24
    Feb
    2012
    2:40pm, EST

    Santorum comments on forced euthanasia cause stir in Netherlands

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    Rick Santorum's recent comments on forced euthanasia are causing a stir in the Netherlands.

    By msnbc.com staff

    A Dutch politician wants his government to publicly rebuke Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum for claiming that forced euthanasia is legal in the Netherlands and that the elderly are being killed against their will.

    The Dutch Embassy in Washington has declined to comment on Santorum’s recent remarks, The New York Times reported this week. An embassy spokeswoman said the Dutch government wanted to stay out of the American presidential campaign, the Times reported.

    On Thursday, Dutch Member of Parliament Frans Timmermans, a leading member of the opposition left-leaning Labor Party in The Hague, blasted his government’s silence.


    He wrote in a post on his Facebook page that he wanted Foreign Minister Uri Rosenthal to rebuke Santorum for his “scandalous accusations,” The Times reported.

    “This cannot be allowed to rest,” he wrote, according to The Times.

    Earlier this month, Santorum brought up the subject of euthanasia at a forum hosted by conservative leader James Dobson.

    “They have voluntary euthanasia in the Netherlands, but half the people who are euthanized every year, and it’s 10 percent of all deaths, half of those people are euthanized involuntarily in hospitals, because they are older and sick,” Santorum said. “So elderly people in the Netherlands don’t go to the hospital. They go to another country. Because they’re afraid because of budget purposes they will not come out of that hospital if they go in with sickness.”

    Santorum also said some Dutch wear bracelets saying, “Don’t euthanize me.”

    Santorum’s campaign did not respond to a request from The Times to explain his remarks.

    FactCheck.org, a nonpartisan project that monitors the factual accuracy of what is said by U.S. politicians, said Santorum “grossly mischaracterized” euthanasia practices in the Netherlands.

    It said the former Pennsylvania senator overstated the rate of euthanasia. Government statistics show euthanasia is climbing but represented only 2.3 percent of all deaths in the Netherlands in 2010, it said.

    FactCheck.org said Santorum’s claims that the elderly are being killed against their will and wear “do not euthanize me” bracelets are false.

    Dutch euthanasia review boards found nine cases in 2010 where doctors “had not acted in accordance with the due care criteria,” mostly for how the procedure was performed — not because it was against anyone’s will, FactCheck.org said. It added that the Dutch government and medical association say no such “Don’t euthanize me” bracelets exist.

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    What a great president he would make. Any idea how hard it is to piss off the DUTCH!?!?

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