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  • 15
    Jun
    2012
    5:17am, EDT

    'People need some way out': Bartering takes hold in austerity-wracked Greece

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    Artemis Zafiriou at market in Volos, Greece. "I want to use euro but it's very expensive and I believe trade is better," she says.

     

    By Yuka Tachibana, NBC News

    VOLOS, Greece -- Residents of this town in northeastern Greece are resorting to an age-old solution to deal with a desperate new problem –- using barter instead of cash for essentials.

    "I want to use euro but it's very expensive and I believe trade is better," said 30-year-old Artemis Zafiriou, who works at an agency helping immigrant workers but hasn’t been paid in months.

    The port town of Volos is like countless other communities in Greece, where millions are strapped for cash amid crushing European Union-imposed austerity measures. A steady flow of people come and go at the unemployment office, but most find no work.


    So Zafiriou and her partner Kostas Christou, 40, have joined a small but growing network of people who trade goods and services without cash.   

    In Greece, a senior judge is to be put in charge of a caretaker government to run the country until a new General Election on June 17. Questions are growing over whether the country's finances will last that long. Hundreds of millions of euros have been withdrawn from Greek banks in recent days over fears of a departure from the euro - and return to a devalued drachma. Jonathan Rugman, Channel Four Europe reports.

    They sell chicken eggs, homemade marmalade and soap at an open-air market in town. Looking like a mix between a flea market and a farmers' market, it is packed with colorful stalls displaying fresh produce, home-baked bread, second-hand clothes and jewelry. 


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    Members can also go online and buy or sell services like yoga classes and piano lessons. An alternative currency, known as TEMs in Greek, is used. When members sell their goods or services, either online or at the market, these accrue in their online account and can be used to buy from other members. 

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    The Volos barter network -- people can join for free online -- started two years ago with only 15 members.  As the Greek economy continued its rapid decline the network mushroomed to 600 active members. About 400 more are registered with the network.

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    TEM - an alternative currency in Greece.

    "People need some way out, some other way to do things.  I guess also people need to get to know each other," said founding member Christos Papaioannu.

    The market is not simply about trading goods -- it is a way for people to reconnect with their community and foment solidarity during difficult times.

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    "There is no middleman, everyone exchanges directly -- it makes people happy," Papaioannu said.

    Irene Blomy, a school teacher who was at the market to sell her five-year-old son George's puzzles, said bartering gave comfort from daily economic woes.

    "Things are getting worse and worse in Greece. There is no future for the next few years there," says Christos Christoglou, a Greek inspection engineer, who moved to Germany to find work.

    "It's very nice, I think I don't have stress," she said. "When you have to buy something in euros you're always in stress. But now I'm OK."

    The market is not meant to completely replace the euro, Papaioannou said.

    "It's a parallel way, but a way where people decide together how to arrange and deal with things. Everything is transparent, and open. Everything is small scale.” 

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    Zafiriou, whose first sale was one of her marmalades, said she hopes to accrue enough TEMs to buy feed for the chickens back on the farm.

    That may not be enough for her and her partner, Kostas Christou, 40, a contract electrical technician who works for the Greek Army who took a 50 percent cut in his salary 12 months ago. 

    Until a few weeks ago very few people had heard of him, but Alexis Tsipras could soon be the next Prime Minister of Greece. His anti-austerity stance won his party second place in the recent election, and the forecasts for next month's run-off suggest they could do even better.

    The couple live on the outskirts of town in a small farm started with money borrowed from the local bank. Their chickens, ducks and six goats have so far helped augment their drastically reduced income.

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    But now they are struggling to pay the monthly mortgage as well as buy basic supplies, including feed for their goats and chickens. 

    "I have debt in the bank, and if I don't manage to pay the bank, the bank will come here and take the field and my home,” Christou said.

    "I don't know what to do," he added. 

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    120 comments

    Remember when people were laughing at others for buying gold coins, getting out of debt and storing food? Doesn't look so funny now does it? I can't say it will happen here, just like I can't tell you hurricane shutters are a good idea on the Gulf Coast, but it sure seems like Europe is in for a ha …

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  • 11
    Jun
    2012
    2:11pm, EDT

    Germany grows weary of being Europe's crutch

    John Schoen / msnbc.com

    "Everyone is ready to help the big banks. For small people like me there is nothing," Janusz Michalak, a carriage drver in Berlin, says.

    By John W. Schoen, NBC News

    BERLIN -- It’s a busy day on the Pariser Platz, except for the carriage drivers who ply their trade taking tourists for rides through Berlin's central park.

    While throngs of out-of-towners are having their pictures taken in front of the Brandenberg Gate in the heart of Germany’s capital, business is slow for drivers like Janusz Michalak.

    The tourists from Spain, Portugal and Greece, he said, haven’t got five euros to spare for a ride through the Tiergarten. But somehow, he said in disgust, the German government has money to bail out banks in Spain.

    “It’s a black hole,” he said, as his horses stood in a line of carriages that weren’t moving. “Everyone is ready to help the big banks. For small people like me there is nothing. But it’s the people’s money.”

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    For the fourth time since the euro crisis began unwinding three years ago, Germany is playing the lead role and providing critical support for the latest -- and by the far the largest -- European bailout plan. This time, European finance officials have agreed to put up 100 billion euros ($125.1 billion) to backstop Spain’s banks after investors and depositors began fleeing several weeks ago and new sources of funding dried up.

    As Europe’s largest -- and still growing -- economy, German support is essential for the latest in a three-year series of stopgap measures to stem the widening debt crisis and deepening recession. 

    But Germany seems on the verge of catching a bad case of bailout fatigue. Opinion polls are beginning to show waning support from voters and taxpayers for their reluctant role as the defender of the 20-year experiment in monetary union known as the euro. Now, as the common currency is producing increased pressure along multiple economic fault lines in the weaker southern economies, the German people are growing weary.

    German newspapers reacted skeptically to the latest stopgap measure to help Spain. The mass-circulation Bild tabloid warned "the Spanish patient will also need more help than a one-off capital injection." The Mitteldeutsche Zeitung called it a costly "sedative" and highbrow Die Welt expressed similar doubts that the Spanish aid would stop the rot in the eurozone, despite a positive initial response in financial markets.

    "Politicians are once again showing such great optimism that they are closer to solving the problems that the citizens, most of whom have already become skeptics, are even more suspicious," Die Welt wrote.

    After two years of multiple rounds of haggling between Germany and Greece, austerity measures imposed by Berlin as a condition for aid brought down the Athens government that agreed to those terms. The looming Greek elections June 17 have heightened fears that Greek voters will again reject Germany’s terms and leave the monetary union. Opinion polls show voters deadlocked on the issue.

    European financial officials and economists generally believe the effects of such a departure, though extremely painful for Greeks, could be manageable for the eurozone at large. But Spain’s banking system, which holds hundreds of billions of euros worth of debt issued by Madrid and other European governments, would create a financial shock an order of magnitude larger than the collapse of Greece.

    The scope of the recent aid proposal for Spain, the fourth-largest economy in the 17-country eurozone, has heightened concerns voiced by rank-and-file Germans that the plan may be simply throwing good money after bad. There is no mechanism like the U.S.'s Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation's "resolution" powers, for example, to close down a bleeding bank to stem the losses. The risk is that the aid package simply keeps insolvent “zombie“  banks on indefinite and costly life support.

    It’s also far from clear whether 100 million euros will be enough to stop the bleeding from the quiet "run" recently on Spanish banks. According to the latest data available, a record 66 billion euros fled Spanish banks for safer havens in May.

    Spain’s banks are coping with two types of deteriorating assets. The first is a flood of mortgages that went bad in a U.S.-style housing bust that still hasn’t run its course.

    Spain's banks are also on the hook for a large pile of Spanish government debt that is deteriorating in value daily as investors bail out of Spanish bonds. As their assets have dwindled, the banks, once a major source of funding for the Spanish government, have pulled back. That’s left the government with fewer buyers for its fresh debt.

    Fitch Ratings cut long-term credit ratings for two of Spain's largest banks, Banco Santander and Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria, on Monday amid concerns that Spain's economy, which is in its third year of contraction, will remain in recession until 2013. The country's unemployment rate is 25 percent.

    Though Spanish officials have taken pains to insist that the latest bailout is directed toward banks, and not the government itself, many economists say the financial crisis facing the two are inextricably intertwined.

    That’s left the government and the country's lenders in a futile effort to prop each other up, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz told Reuters.

    "The system ... is the Spanish government bails out Spanish banks, and Spanish banks bail out the Spanish government," Stiglitz said.

    Initially, at least, stock markets rallied Monday on the announcement late Sunday that the bank bailout deal had been struck. But the euphoria was short-lived because it may have been less a sense of relief that the euro crisis has been averted than a belief that the coming large infusion of cash will spill over into stocks.

    The longer-term impact of the deepening recession in southern Europe is already being felt on Germany’s heavily export-driven economy, which has seen a sharp slowdown in industrial production in the past few months as demand weakens from its trading partners, including China.

    Now, as Germany’s unwelcome role as Europe’s crutch appears to be expanding once again, some economists here are questioning whether it has the financial resources to successfully “ring fence” weaker economies and continue to maintain its own prosperity.

    "If we keep shifting the capital abroad, than there is less capital to invest at home," said Steffen Henzel, an economist with the IFO Institute in Munich.

    Gemany’s reluctance to fund the continent's financial fire brigade is also deeply rooted in the flawed compact that created a common currency without the political infrastructure to enforce borrowing and spending discipline among its member states.

    “Imagine if you were to expect from the U.S. to take over a guarantee of Mexican public debt,” said Friedrich Heinemann, an economist at the Centre for European Economic Research in Mannheim. “The U.S. would never do that. In a way, southern Europe expects some of this sort of help from Germany."

    Though Merkel has recently led discussions setting forth a framework for that political union, it would take year to implement. Europe doesn’t have that much time.

    The Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung worried aloud that Germany was getting soft on the kind of strict conditions imposed on Greece in exchange for financial aid. "Italy will also be happy to take money without tough conditions and Ireland may demand that its conditions be softened retroactively," it said.

    Greece itself hinted Monday that it would like more lenient terms for its rescue plan. But Greece is not Spain; Spain's economic size alone gives it more leverage.

    In the end, though, loss of popular support in Germany may not alter the outcome of the eurozone crisis, according to Roger Nightingale, economist at RDN Associates

    “I don’t think it helps even if the Germans are behind it,' he said. “ I don’t think it helps if the Americans and the Chinese and the Japanese are behind it. They're tackling the wrong problem. The problem is not the Spanish banks. The problem is the weak economy.”

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    Well, isn't this all part of the take from the rich and give to the poor that Obama calls redistribution only on a national basis? Awwww...you mean this isn't working for the rich countries? Color me shocked!

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  • 9
    Jun
    2012
    1:02pm, EDT

    Spain to seek bailout; up to $125 billion on table

    Paul Hanna / Reuters

    Spain's economic crisis includes protests like this one in Madrid on Friday, where people rallied against layoffs at Banesto bank.

    By msnbc.com news services

    Spain will seek financial help from its Eurozone partners but exactly how much won't be known until private audits are undertaken, the country's economy minister announced Saturday.

    Earlier, European finance ministers discussed plans to offer Spain up to $125 billion (100 billion euros) in a bid to stabilize its banks -- and ease concerns over the even bigger European debt crisis. That amount was described as an upper limit, not an indication of what Spain would ask for.


    After Spain's announcement, the Eurozone ministers issued a statement that they expected a formal request "shortly" and are "willing to respond favorably."

    Spain earlier said it wanted to wait for two independent audits — due by June 21 — before deciding on whether to seek aid, and it was not clear if those audits were being stepped up.

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    Spain had resisted asking for a bailout since previous ones for Greece, Ireland and Portugal came with demands for tax increases and spending cuts.

    Economy Minister Luis de Guindos emphasized the aid would not come with "micro-economic conditions".

    U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner issued a statement praising the "concrete steps on the path to financial union" for the Eurozone.

    Investors and politicians have been increasingly concerned that Spain might not be able to find the money to prop its ailing banks by itself. 

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    A report from the International Monetary Fund estimated Spanish banks need a recapitalization injection of at least $50 billion following a stress test it performed on the country's financial sector. That report came out early Saturday, three days ahead of schedule, underscoring the urgency of the situation. 

    Officials said there had been a heated debate over the IMF's role in Spain's bank rescue, which Madrid wanted kept to a minimum. It will not provide any of the money.

    In the end it was agreed that the IMF would help monitor reforms in Spain's banking sector, while EU institutions would ensure Spain stuck to its broader economic commitments. 

    Eurozone policymakers were eager to shore up Spain's position before June 17 elections that could push Greece closer to a Eurozone exit and unleash a wave of contagion.

    Nonetheless, some analysts said financial markets might be calmed by the announcement when they reopen on Monday.

    "The figure of up to 100 billion (euros) is more encouraging and pretty realistic; it's an attempt to cap the problem," said Edmund Shing, European head of equity strategy at Barclays.

    "The issue, however, is there is still a lack of detail about where the money's coming from, which is crucial. The market will treat it with some caution until they see how it will be funded." 

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    The Eurogroup said the funds could come from either from a temporary rescue fund, the EFSF, or the permanent mechanism, the ESM, which is due to start next month. Finland said that if money came from the EFSF, it would want collateral.

    EU sources said there was a preference to channel money to Spain through the ESM, rather than the EFSF. Under the ESM, an approval rate of 90 percent or less is needed to trigger aid, and the fund also has more flexibility in how it operates.


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    "That's why it's so important that the ESM ... be ratified quickly," German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble said.  

    Spain has already spent $20 billion bailing out small regional savings banks that lent recklessly to property developers. 

    Spain's biggest failed bank, Bankia, will cost $25 billion to rescue and its shareholders have been wiped out.

    The race to resolve the banks' troubles comes after Fitch Ratings cut Spain's sovereign credit rating by three notches to BBB, highlighting the Spanish banking sector's exposure to bad property loans and to contagion from Greece's debt crisis. 

    It said the cost to the Spanish state of recapitalizing banks stricken by the bursting of a real estate bubble, recession and mass unemployment could be between $75-$125 billion. The higher figure would be in a stress scenario equivalent to Ireland's bank crash.

    Greeks withdraw $894 million in one day

    Italy could yet get dragged in too. Its industry minister, Corrado Passera, said the economic situation in Italy had improved since the end of 2011, but remained critical. "Europe was more disappointing than we had expected, it was less capable of tackling a relatively minor problem such as Greece," Passera told a conference. 

    While Spain would join Greece, Ireland and Portugal in receiving a European financial rescue, officials said the aid would be focused only on its banking sector, without taking the Spanish state out of credit markets. 

    That would be crucial to avoid overstraining the Eurozone's rescue funds, which would struggle to cover Spanish government borrowing needs for the next three years plus possible additional assistance for Portugal and Ireland. 

    Conditions in the plan would be related to the banks and would probably not add to the austerity measures and structural economic reforms that Spain's government has already put in place, EU and German sources said. 

    A "bailout lite" would help salvage Spanish pride. Spain is the world's 12th largest economy and No. 4 in the Eurozone. EU and German officials have cited national pride as a barrier to requesting a full assistance program. 

    The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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    How long will it be before our tax money is going over to help? I'm sure someone will think it is a great idea and no one will have a say in it.

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  • 30
    May
    2012
    2:56am, EDT

    'It is virtually impossible to find a job': Brain drain is new Greek tragedy

    "Things are getting worse and worse in Greece. There is no future for the next few years there," says Christos Christoglou, a Greek inspection engineer who moved to Germany to find work.

    By Andy Eckardt and Carlo Angerer, NBC News

    MAINZ, Germany – Thousands of well-educated workers are fleeing Greece as the eurozone crisis batters their homeland.

    Germany, Europe's economic powerhouse and a country which has been criticized by many Greeks over its harsh demands for austerity cuts in return for bailout cash, has experienced an influx of young skilled immigrants.

    Der Spiegel magazine noted that while Greek newspapers "printed cartoons depicting the Germans as Nazis, concentration camp guards and eurozone imperialists who allow their debtors to bleed to death," the Greeks have kept arriving – bringing an "anything is better than Athens" attitude with them.

    With more than 50 percent of young Greeks out of work, it's not surprising that official statistics show the number of Greeks who moved to Germany increased 90 percent during 2011. 


    Unemployment rates have consistently been shrinking in Germany in recent years and the economy is thriving despite Europe's ongoing financial crisis. Relaxed cross-border employment regulations for member states of the European Union also make Germany an attractive choice for job seekers. And while Germany is in need of specialized workers, the Greek labor market has little to offer.

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    "It is virtually impossible to find a job in Greece at the moment," says Christos Christoglou, an inspection engineer who took a job at German chemical and pharmaceutical giant Bayer at the start of the financial crisis in June 2010. "It is not that there are only very few jobs for young graduates to seek, no, there are none, zero, there is nothing."

    A year after moving to Germany, Christoglou's wife Mary and their 5-year old daughter Georgina joined him last summer. The family now lives in a four-bedroom apartment in Leverkusen. They are likely to stay for good.

    "My wife, an English teacher, and our daughter, do not speak German yet. But my Mary will soon also try to find a job," Christoglou told NBC News. "And while, yes, it is quite difficult to be without our close friends and family in Greece, I do not want to waste my six years of intensive studies to find myself without hope for the future."

    Christoglou, 38, says incentives are needed to prevent Greece's well-educated workforce from abandoning the country.

    "I know many Greek academics, but also ordinary workers, who have moved to wealthier European countries, like France, the Netherlands or Sweden," he added.

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    According to Germany's national statistics office, some 24,000 people left Greece last year to live and work in Germany, almost double the number who did so in 2010. However, Der Spiegel quoted Hamburg-based immigration expert Vassilis Tsianos as pointing out that those figures did not include people who had not registered with German authorities. Tsianos told the magazine he estimates that 60,000 new Greek immigrants arrived in Germany in 2011.

    There was also a significant spike in the number of immigrants relocating to Germany from other economically depressed southern European countries last year, with official statistics showing an increase of 52 percent from Spain, 28 percent from Portugal and 23 percent from Italy.

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    Until a few weeks ago very few people had heard of him, but Alexis Tsipras could soon be the next Prime Minister of Greece. His anti-austerity stance won his party second place in the recent election, and the forecasts for next month's run-off suggest they could do even better.

    The recent arrivals include 27-year-old IT specialist Vasileia Paschali, who decided to bid farewell to Greece's political and economic turmoil and arrived in the quaint southern German city of Boeblingen nine months ago. She didn't speak a word of German.

    "The most difficult thing was learning German, it was terrifying at the beginning," Paschali told NBC News. "Life is so quiet and structured here in Boeblingen, which is quite a contrast to the hectic routine I experienced in Athens."

    She responded to a job offer from German engineering development supplier Ruecker, a company which mainly services the automobile and aviation sectors.

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    Wiesbaden-based Ruecker is actively recruiting technical engineers from Greece, Portugal, Spain and Italy, offering them a two-month paid language course followed by an open-ended contract with a guaranteed base salary of about $4,500 per month.

    "There are simply not enough qualified applicants on the German market," says Thomas Aukamm, who works for Ruecker's marketing and recruiting department. "These are investments that we need to make in order to secure the workforce that we work with in the future."

    The company has received about 3,500 applications, mainly from southern European countries, and is presently evaluating about 500 of them.

    "Even if we could only fill 10 percent of the open positions, we would be very happy," Aukamm added.

    Many residents fear that a slow economy is cutting into the number of foreign visitors. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    'Leaving everything behind'
    For Paschali, whose parents, 28-year-old brother and other close family members remain in Greece, the move to Germany was not an easy choice.

    Paschali already had a job at a local company in Athens, but she was forced to accept a 20 percent pay cut due to the financial crisis.

    "Leaving everything behind with an uncertain future was difficult, of course, but I was seeking stability and believe that I can find it here in Germany," says Paschali, who is originally from the rural town of Trikala.

    Greeks withdraw $894 million in one day

    Greece's national unemployment rate presently stands at nearly 22 percent overall – German tabloid BILD has depicted Greeks as "lazy" – and widespread protests against the government's austerity measures continue. However, an estimated 70,000 engineering positions remain unfilled at the moment in Germany.

    Courtesy Anna Sioki

    University graduate Anna Sioki moved to Germany from Greece two years ago. "I was one of the lucky ones because I left at the beginning of the crisis," she says.

    "Germany's skilled labor shortage could have severe economic consequences," said Dr. Ina Kayser of the the German Association of Engineers (VDI). "We estimate that the labor market could face economic losses of up to 7 billion euros, or nearly $10 billion, as a result of, for example, production delays or necessary relocation of production abroad."

    Other German business sectors are also starting to look abroad.

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    Hospitals and private medical practices are also in need of highly trained personnel, especially in Germany's rural areas, where many workers have migrated to cities.

    Karl Horn, staff manager at the Rheinhessen Clinic in Alzey, says that health care executives are increasingly looking at the southern European labor market.

    "We've already sent out tweets in Spanish to advertise openings at our clinic," Horn said. 

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    Despite a degree in applied foreign languages, Anna Sioki was only able to find work at a book store in Thessaloniki after finishing her studies in 2009. She decided to come to Germany two years ago.

    A new election is scheduled for June 17, as debate continues over the country's place in the euro zone. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    "I was one of the lucky ones because I left at the beginning of the crisis," the 27-year-old told NBC News.

    Her parents were not as fortunate. Sioki's father, an electrician, had to close his shop due to a lack of business and has been unemployed for nearly two years. Her parents now live on a small pension that her mother receives.

    "It is pretty bad that all the specialists are going abroad," Sioki self-critically remarked. "How is Greece supposed to make progress that way? But, I see no other solution for myself and the other young Greeks."

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    Big European banks made big risky loans to Greece and other sovereigns without collateral. As Greece is unable to repay the loan, the European Big Bankers now demand a pound of flesh from every Greek, even if only the corrupt politicians and their special interests benefited from the loans. In effec …

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  • 25
    May
    2012
    7:53am, EDT

    Leftist tipped to be next Greek leader warns of 'Cold War' over austerity

    Until a few weeks ago very few people had heard of him, but Alexis Tsipras could soon be the next Prime Minister of Greece. His anti-austerity stance won his party second place in the recent election, and the forecasts for next month's run-off suggest they could do even better.

    By Ian Johnston, msnbc.com

    A radical leftist tipped to become Greece's next prime minister says his country is involved in a "Cold War" over austerity measures with Germany and the U.K.

    In an interview with the U.K.'s Channel 4 News, Alexis Tsipras, leader of the Syriza party, said countries insisting on austerity measures in exchange bailout funds would not dare throw Greece out of the euro currency because that would cause a domino effect, plunging states like Italy into crisis.


    "The problem is not a Greek problem, it's a European problem," he said. "If Greece goes outside ... the eurozone, the second day, the next day, the markets will try and find who will be the next. And the next is Italy with 1.9 trillion euros debt, not like Greece, we have only 350 billion euros [debt].

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    Economic powerhouse Germany has been insisting on austerity policies to cut government debts as part of the price of economic help.

    But the 37-year-old Tsipras, whose party is currently leading the polls on 30 percent ahead of the June 17 election, said Germany and countries taking a similar stance would back down.

    Many residents fear that a slow economy is cutting into the number of foreign visitors. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    Europe told to prep for Greek exit scenario

    "I believe we find ourselves in a situation equivalent to the one the U.S. found itself in with Russia back during the days of the Cold War," he told Channel 4 News.

    "Both sides had nuclear weapons in their hands and both sides threatened to push the button and activate. When you have a Cold War neither side will back down, so now we don't expect Mrs. Merkel or Mr. Cameron to back down either," he added, referring to German Chancellor Angela Merkel and British Prime Minister David Cameron. "We are quite sure that when the time comes logic will prevail and they will not activate their nuclear weapons."

    Euro crisis turns Spanish suburbs into ghost towns

    Tsipras said it would be a "win-win" situation to find a "solution without austerity" and without currency devaluation.

    A new election is scheduled for June 17, as debate continues over the country's place in the euro zone. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    Greece is currently expected to introduce 11 billion euros of austerity measures by the end of June, but Tsipras said this was simply not possible because of the country's "destroyed economy."

    "Do you actually think they would be able to implement these measures?" he said. "The problem is the austerity measures which have failed."

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    This type of threat used to be known as extortion. What this Socialist wants is to have Greece continue to be supported by the EU without any responsibility to pay their own way. The Greek voter's who buy into this bozo's concept that their 'free lunch' can continue unabated forever at the expense o …

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  • 24
    May
    2012
    6:31am, EDT

    So much for 'the Spanish dream': Euro crisis turns suburbs into ghost towns

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    Empty buildings in Valdeluz, one of 12 near ghost towns scattered across Spain.

    By Ian Johnston, msnbc.com

    Just north of Spanish capital Madrid lies Cuidad Valdeluz. Built during the country's economic boom, it was promoted as a suburban family paradise for tens of thousands of people. 

    Today, it is one of 12 near ghost towns in Spain, a country that -- despite being the European Union's fifth-largest economy -- is teetering on the brink of a Greece-style meltdown. 


    Spain has the highest unemployment rate of all European Union countries at 21.7 percent, according to a report published this month by the Center for Economic and Social Rights. Among those aged under 25, nearly half -- 46.4 percent -- are without a job. More than half a million households had no one earning an income in 2011.

    NYT: One-fifth of Spain's GDP is now black market

    The report warned that "over half the population reports experiencing a heavy financial burden due to housing costs." The number of foreclosure proceedings rose from 25,953 in 2007 to 93,319 in 2009, an increase of nearly 260 percent.

    As she stood on the deserted streets of Valdeluz, journalist Lindsey Hilsum of the U.K.'s Channel 4 News said the suburb illustrated just how far and how fast Spain had fallen.

    On the streets of Madrid, they have a message for the leaders meeting in Brussels: stop cutting and start promoting growth. For them, the Spanish government decision to recapitalise Bankia, the country's fourth largest lender, while reducing education spending by 20 per cent, was the last straw.

    "This was the Spanish dream: new developments, luxury apartments, the good life. But it was all on borrowed money. Now the developers have lost their investments, the banks are in crisis, and increasing numbers of Spaniards are homeless," she said.

    Homeless and 'in debt forever'
    Maria Francisca Cano Munoz, Jesus Munoz Alcaza, their daughter and disabled son are among those about to lose their home.

    CNBC's Simon Hobbs discusses the euro's decline and whether Greece will leave the euro, with CNBC's Michelle Caruso-Cabrera and Bob Pisani.

    "We are going to end up with no home and in debt forever," Munoz Alcaza, an unemployed construction worker, told Hilsum through a translator. "We'll have to keep paying for this apartment, but we won't be able to live in it."

    Greece's debt woes put Europe on financial knife edge

    "At first they [bank officials] were nice and said 'Don't worry, you can pay at the end of the month to avoid interest,'" Cano Munoz added. "But when you cannot pay at all, suddenly you are a bad person and 'there's the door... go!'"

    As in Greece, politicians are looking to economic powerhouse Germany for help.

    Many residents fear that a slow economy is cutting into the number of foreign visitors. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    "Germany has got a lot of profit from the euro [currency]. Because Spain was rich, we bought many things that were made in Germany," an independent deputy in Spain's congress, Irene Lozano Domingo, told Hilsum.

    "We are all linked, so if we are going to hell, they are coming with us. This is what they have to see," she added.

    Greeks withdraw $894 million in a day: Is this beginning of a run on banks?

    Like other countries, Spain has bailed out its banks and slashed government spending. But the economy is now so bad that some are thinking of quitting the country altogether.

    "I don't know. Latin America somewhere? Brazil, Mexico ... somewhere where it's going up, you know?" a protester at a recent demonstration against education cuts told Hilsum.

    The euro is hitting its lowest level since July 2010. Discussing the impact the weak euro has on the global economy, with Larry McDonald, Newedge Group and John Spallanzani, GFI Group.

    European Union leaders concluded their latest summit early Thursday with few concrete steps to fix the continent's festering financial crisis, Reuters reported.

    One problem has been the need to get agreement between either the 17 EU countries that use the euro as their currency or all 27 member states.

    "I think about my one Congress, then I start thinking about 17 congresses and I start getting a little bit of a headache," Barack Obama said following the recent NATO summit in Chicago.

    The president's headache could get substantially worse, according to a report by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. It warned Tuesday that while the U.S. and Japan were leading a fragile economic recovery among developed countries, they could be blown off course by the European debt crisis.

    'Vicious circle': Europe crisis threatens world economy, OECD says

    The biggest continuing fear is that if Greece cannot be saved, other larger economies — like Spain or Portugal — might face the same fate. 


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    The leaders gathered in Brussels recognized that Greece had endured significant hardships and promised to release development funds aimed at spurring growth, Reuters reported. 

    But Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker told reporters that the euro countries "have to consider all kinds of events," the news service added.

    Europe told to prep for Greek exit scenario

    Juncker insisted early Thursday that he had not asked the euro nations to prepare national contingency plans for a possible chaotic departure of Greece from the currency, saying the "the working assumption" was that Greece would remain part of the euro.

    But his statement was also a frank admission that Greece could wind up abandoning the euro.

    A new election is scheduled for June 17, as debate continues over the country's place in the euro zone. NBC's Stephanie Gosk reports.

    Greece's fringe political parties, which are threatening to renege on commitments made to secure bailout loans, saw their popularity surge in recent elections. No party has been able to form a government, and the country will vote again June 17. 

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    Many analysts have said that Greece, already in its fifth year of recession, has no hope of recovery if it sticks to the spending cuts and tax hikes it agreed to in order to secure bailout loans. 

    "We want Greece to remain in the euro area," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said after the meeting, but she also expected the deeply unpopular policies of austerity to continue. "We expect that they will stick to the commitments that they have entered into." 

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    The perception that European leaders lack the political will to tackle the continent's financial and economic problems has left markets on edge for weeks. Recession is spreading. Banks are under pressure.

    Dariusz Kowalczyk, senior economist at Credit Agricole CIB in Hong Kong, said Thursday: "Europe is not doing enough, and the market may not wait for them." 

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    There are innumerable homeless in Spain. There are empty houses in Spain. The empty houses are owned by those who have no intention of living in them because they have so much money they already own other houses they actually live in.

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  • 17
    May
    2012
    7:39am, EDT

    World Bank on Greece crisis: Spain and Italy could be next

    Questions are growing over whether Greece can survive financially until new elections on June 17. Jonathan Rugman reports for NBC News' partner in Britain, Channel 4 News.

    By Alastair Jamieson, msnbc.com and Reuters

    Spain and Italy will be the next victims of the European financial crisis if Greece crashes out of the euro currency zone, the head of the World Bank has warned.

    Fears that Athens may be forced to issue registered warrants or return to its former currency, the drachma, have rattled global markets and alarmed world leaders, with Greece set to figure high on the agenda at the G8 summit in Camp David later this week.


    A cabinet of professors and diplomats was sworn in Thursday, to steer the debt-ridden eurozone state into repeat elections on 17 June, the BBC reported.

    Europe, US and the world brace for messy impact from Greece

    The risk of the contagion spreading to bigger European economies that are vulnerable due to high debt or weak banks has sent stocks and commodities tumbling, and has driven Europe's single currency toward its lowest levels this year.


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    "The core question will be not Greece, but Spain and Italy," World Bank President Robert Zoellick said on Wednesday.

    Reuters reported that a Greek exit from the eurozone would have effects reminiscent of the collapse of the Lehman Brothers investment bank collapsed in 2008, which spread panic on global financial markets, and said that it could expose other European nations to hundreds of billions of euros in losses.

    Recession-hit Spain, which faces deep concerns over the health of its banks, is set to see its medium-term borrowing costs rise sharply at an auction on Thursday of 1.5-2.5 billion euros of bonds expiring in 2015 and 2016.

    Greeks withdraw $894 million in a day: Is this beginning of a run on banks?

    Meanwhile International Monetary Fund chief Christine Lagarde warned of "extremely expensive" consequences were Greece to leave the eurozone, a once taboo possibility that European leaders have now begun to discuss openly.

    Echoing Zoellick's comments, Lagarde told Dutch television that a Greek departure from the euro "would be extremely expensive and hard, and not just for Greece."

    Greeks have withdrawn hundreds of millions of euros from banks in recent days as fears grow that the country might be forced out of the eurozone, although there has been no sign of a run on individual Athens bank branches.

    In March, Greece agreed to extensive budget cuts as part of the conditions of a $165 billion bailout package organized by the European Union and the IMF.

    European shares edged lower at the start of trading on Thursday, having closed down during the last three sessions.

    The BBC said Panagiotis Pikrammenos, the senior judge who has taken over as prime minister of Greece, views the cabinet's sole task as leading the country into the poll in the hope of producing a more conclusive result.

    On May 6, voters punished the two mainstream parties that had imposed austerity measures under the terms of international bailout deals.

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    World Bank on Greece crisis: Spain and Italy could be next - WRONG - WILL be next!

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  • 16
    May
    2012
    7:30am, EDT

    Greeks withdraw $894 million in a day

    In Greece, a senior judge is to be put in charge of a caretaker government to run the country until a new General Election on June 17. Questions are growing over whether the country's finances will last that long. Hundreds of millions of euros have been withdrawn from Greek banks in recent days over fears of a departure from the euro - and return to a devalued drachma. Jonathan Rugman, Channel Four Europe reports.

    By Alastair Jamieson, msnbc.com and NBC News

    Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET: Political leaders in Athens were due to discuss an emergency government Wednesday to deal with a possible run on banks as it emerged Greeks withdrew almost $900 million in a single day, fearing their country could crash out of the euro currency by the end of the week.

    An interim government would take the country through to new elections on June 17, triggered by the collapse on Tuesday of talks to form a coalition between winners of the inconclusive May 6 election.


    Greeks are withdrawing euros from banks, apparently afraid of the prospect of rapid devaluation if the country leaves the European single currency and returns to the drachma.

    President Karolos Papoulias warned of “great fear that could develop into a panic,” the minutes of Papoulias' negotiations with political leaders showed, according to Reuters.


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    The minutes also reveal Papoulias was warned by George Provopoulos, head of the country’s central bank, that savers withdrew at least 700 million euros ($894 million) on Monday, Reuters said.

    "Withdrawals and outflows by 4:00 p.m. when I called him exceeded 600 million euros and reached 700 million euros," the president said according to the minutes of the meeting. "He expects total outflows of about 800 million euros."

    The country's economy is in a meltdown, raising fears that Greece will exit the Euro Zone completely and default on its huge pile of debt. NBC's Brian Williams reports.

    Several banking sources told Reuters similar amounts had also been withdrawn on Tuesday. Nevertheless, there was no sign of panic or queues at bank branches in Athens on Wednesday. Bankers dismissed suggestions that a bank run was looming. A senior executive at a large Greek bank told Reuters: "There is no bank run, no queues or panic. The situation is better than I expected. The amount of deposit withdrawals the president mentioned referred to three days, not one." 

    Still, some were taking no risks. Jenny P., an Athens private medical clinic receptionist originally from Ohio, told msnbc.com she had withdrawn 85 per cent of "what's left" in her bank account.

     "We could have a new currency in a couple of days and nobody knows for sure what will happen," she said. "There are no lines to withdraw money, but maybe that's because many Greeks have precious little left in the bank. Many have been surviving on [$500] 400 euros a month, which has to cover tax, bills, food and medical costs."

    She said she was planning to return to the United States amid the economic turmoil which has left her Greek husband unemployed. "It is hard to see what the future will be here," she said.

    Greeks have already been withdrawing their savings from banks at a sharp clip - nearly a third of bank deposits were withdrawn between January 2010 and March 2012, reducing total Greek household and business deposits to 165 billion euros. 

    A senior bank executive said there had been withdrawals in recent days but there was no sign yet of a panic, as had happened in April 2010 when eight billion euros were withdrawn just before Greece obtained its first foreign bailout. 

     The political vacuum in Greece has hampered the country’s chances of making the budget cuts required by the European bailout deal. Without more austerity measures, the flow of bailout money will dry up, raising the prospect of a euro exit with all its wider ramifications.

    Yannis Behrakis / Reuters

    Two men withdraw money from an ATM in central Athens May 16, 2012.

    The likelihood of a Greek exit from the euro – dubbed the "Grexit" by commentators – is now so high that even political leaders committed to avoid it admit preparations are under way.

    Asked in an interview whether Greece could leave the euro zone, IMF director Christine Lagarde replied: "We certainly don't hope so, from the IMF point of view ... but we have to be technically prepared for anything".

    Will there be a run on Greek banks?

    A Twitter image shared by economics blogger Tyler Durden, posted on UK website Zero Hedge, showed what appeared to lines outside ATMs in Greece, although it was impossible to verify where the picture was taken or if lines were longer than normal.

    Reuters reported early Wednesday that there has “so far been no sign” of lines at banks in Athens, despite the likelihood that an exit from the euro would see a dramatic devaluation in of Greek currency.

    CNBC’s John Carney raised the prospect of reduced limits on ATM withdrawals, citing a calculation by London analysts Capital Economics that if every working-age Greek withdrew the maximum permitted ATM amount of 300 euros a day, every single deposit of Greek households would be gone within 61 days.

    “So the controls put in place in advance of an exit from the euro would have to include not only limits on moving funds abroad, but limiting withdrawals from ATMs and possibly declaring a bank holiday,” Carney wrote.

    In practice, however, any Greeks lucky enough to possess any savings have already taken the precaution of withdrawing them from banks.

    “Over the last two years Greeks withdrew approximately 70 billion euros from their bank accounts, an amount equivalent to approximately 35 percent of Greek GDP,” Dr Michael Arghyrou, senior economics lecturer at Cardiff Business School in Wales told msnbc.com.

    “This is a negative demand shock of enormous proportions and with increased uncertainty this trend will almost certainly accelerate. So yes, we will almost certainly see more deposits withdrawals over the next few days, I just hope is that they will not be so large as to lead to a full-blown bank run.”

    How likely is ‘Grexit’? Are drachma notes being printed?

    A year ago, it was nearly impossible to get officials and political leaders to talk about the possibility of Greece leaving the eurozone. Now it appears to be an open secret.

    Yorgos Karahalis / Reuters

    A man makes his way past a replica of a one drachma coin outside the Athens Town Hall May 15, 2012.

    Ireland's central bank chief and European Central Bank policymaker, Patrick Honohan, signaled on Sunday that a Greek exit might not be as painful as previously thought.

    "Technically, it can be managed," he told reporters. "It would be a knock to the confidence for the euro area as a whole ... It is not necessarily fatal, but it is not attractive."

    The tone from the European Commission, the EU's executive, has shifted too.

    On Monday, spokeswoman Pia Ahrenhilde-Hansen said: “We wish Greece will remain in the euro and we hope Greece will remain in the euro ... but it must respect its commitments. Greece has its future in its own hands and it is really up to Greece to see what the response should be.”

    Asked about contingencies, she did not rule them out.

    Reuters quoted one European Commission official saying: "Clearly, the future of Greece is in the Eurozone. We are working on that. The 16 other governments in the Eurozone really are at the end of their patience with Greece. There isn't room or any willingness to move. The decisions are really in Athens' hands. But it doesn't look good."

    However, the official response remains that a Greek exit is not being considered.

    In an interview with NBC News on Wednesday,  Angela Merkel, the German Chancellor, said: "I have the will, the determination, to keep Greece in the Eurozone. I think it will be good for Greece and good for all of us. We want Greece to stay in the Eurozone."

    Some commentators have pointed to a 13 percent rise in the share value of British firm De La Rue, which is the world’s largest currency printer, amid speculation it is best placed to pick up the contract for issuing new versions of the drachma, the Greek currency phased out in 2002.

    It has remained tight-lipped on whether it is working for the Greek government, but in the meantime an interim solution has been mooted in which existing euro notes would be converted into drachmas by being endorsed with an official stamp.

    Would a 'Grexit' be so bad? If so, what are the alternatives?

    Lagarde said a Greek exit from the Eurozone would “have consequences on growth… consequences on trade and…consequences on financial markets “. She added: “You can certainly assume it would be quite messy."

    Global financial institutions have a $536 million exposure to Greek debt, according to the latest figures from the International Monetary Fund, although almost all is borne by France, Germany and other key European economies.

    The Institute of International Finance has estimated that the global cost of a Greek exit could hit $1.2 trillion, according to the Daily Telegraph in London. When Argentina defaulted in 2001, foreign debtors lost around 70 percent of their investments, it said.

    The Telegraph said a report in Germany’s Wirtschaft Woche magazine forecast that a Grexit would cost the Eurozone governments alone $300 billion, pushing the whole European economy – which narrowly avoided entering recession on Tuesday by recording exactly zero quarterly growth - into a crisis not seen since the 1930s.

    Many are looking at the possibility that Athens issues IOUs to meet salaries and key service bills for a fixed period, much in the way California did during its budget crunch in 2009 when it issued 'registered warrants' with a coupon in place of dollar salaries and which banks then accepted for cash.

    Much hinges on whether the European Central Bank would allow the Greek central bank to accept such IOUs and there's little clarity on those hypotheticals.

    However, strategists believe any Greek government IOUs would quickly act as a proxy for a new drachma and exchange values against the euro would mostly likely plummet in practice as people rushed to cash out - offering Greeks a glimpse of the shock of devaluation in a euro-ised economy with euro-denominated debts.

    "I'm really not sure Greece could survive for very long if external money was cut off," said Darren Williams, economist at fund manager AllianceBernstein. "But what an experience of IOUs may do rather quickly is bring home to the average Greek citizen just how much more difficult a place it is outside the bailout programme and outside the euro."

    What would happen to the euro?

    Besides the huge liabilities, there is the risk that a Greek exit from the euro would set a precedent for the possible exit of other weakened economies including Spain and Portugal.

    "Opening up the Pandora's box of exit means deposit risk across the periphery,” an RBS analyst told Reuters.

    Jan Randolph, head of sovereign risk, IHS Global Insight, told the BBC: “It would be difficult for the [European Central Bank] to keep banks afloat. The Greek banking sector would collapse as well. What happens next is a political question. European nations would probably not accept another Western European country descending into chaos and collapse.”

    What is the political future for Greece?

    Rampant inflation, civil unrest and even a return to dictatorship could be on the cards, analysts warn.

    Arghyrou told msnbc.com: “There will be no credit for Greek banks or the Greek state. That could mean a shortage of basic commodities, like oil or medicine or even foodstuffs.

    The country would end up in a volatile period. There would be institutional weakness. The worst case scenario would be a social and economic breakdown, perhaps even leading to a totalitarian regime.”

    Henry Wilkinson, head of analysis at the Risk Advisory Group, said: "We are entering into unknown territory and it remains profoundly unclear what actually will happen. I wouldn't overstate it, but I think the big concern out of all of this is that in times of great uncertainty and hardship, more extreme parties tend to find greater resonance with their message."

    Roger White, an American private tutor who moved back to the United States from Greece three weeks ago to escape the economic crisis, told msnbc.com: "I see violence on the Greek horizon. Will the Greeks continue to withdraw their savings?  Yes, for as long as they can.  Then, the government will intervene with limits on withdrawals and other controls.  Then, Greeks will protest in the streets, light banks afire, smash bank windows and rip out ATMs. 

    "Oddly, I can say that in many ways my Greek experience gave me wonderful opportunities.  Nonetheless, my epiphany came when Greece's economic collapse and the government's implosion revealed just how reliant on the government we are, and just how vulnerable to government mismanagement we are."

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    I'm an American living in Greece with my husband. We went to the bank yesterday and withdrew all our money. Better safe than sorry. I hope we can get out of here before all hell breaks loose.

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  • 12
    May
    2012
    9:09am, EDT

    Greece abandons quest to form government, lurches toward new elections

    By msnbc.com news services

    ATHENS -- Greek politicians abandoned their quest to form a government on Saturday, leaving the president with one final opportunity to avert new elections that could drive the debt-choked country out of the European single currency.

    Greece's political landscape is in disarray after voters humiliated the only parties backing a rescue plan tied to spending cuts, leaving no bloc with sufficient seats to form a government to secure the next tranche of financial aid.


    Without aid from the EU and IMF, the country risks bankruptcy in weeks and - as European leaders now openly acknowledge - potential ejection from the eurozone.

    On Saturday morning, Socialist leader Evangelos Venizelos met President Karolos Papoulias in the presidential mansion to formally confirm he had been unable to persuade other parties to form a broad coalition that would keep the bailout agreement but try to improve its terms.

    Greek turmoil deepens Europe's debt crisis

    The holdout was Alexis Tsipras, a charismatic 37-year-old radical leftist, who has emerged as the standard bearer for opponents of the bailout's harsh austerity measures and has the most to gain from a new election.

    Last-ditch effort
    In a last-ditch effort to broker a deal for a coalition government, President Papoulias called the leaders of Greece's political parties to meetings on Sunday.

    Papoulias' office announced Saturday that the president would meet initially with the heads of the three parties that won the most votes in Sunday's inconclusive elections — the conservative New Democracy, radical left-wing Syriza and socialist PASOK. He will then meet individually with the leaders of the other four parties that won enough votes for parliamentary seats.

    If Papoulias fails to broker a coalition agreement, Greece will have to hold new elections next month.

    In televised remarks during their meeting Saturday, Venizelos urged the president to lean on Tsipras to join an "ecumenical government".

    "I put this forth to Mr Tsipras. I haven't received a positive response," Venizelos said. "I believe that is where your efforts should be focused during the consultations."

    The president replied: "There are signs of optimism in what you are telling me and I hope I can contribute to the formation of a government - because things are rather difficult."

    Papoulias will meet the leaders of the three parties on Sunday at 0900 GMT, his office said in a statement.

    The lurch toward a new election has caused havoc in financial markets, both in Greece and across Europe, where the prospect of Athens leaving the euro is viewed as a risk for bank balance sheets and the credit ratings of other vulnerable countries, although the EU is better prepared than it was a few months ago.

    On Friday, as politicians acknowledged their failure to agree a coalition, the euro sank to its lowest point since January near $1.29.

    Opinion polls conducted in the week since the election show Tsipras's SYRIZA coalition surging into first place - a prize that would give it an automatic bonus of 50 extra seats in the 300 seat house at the expense of the conservatives.

    Tsipras says the bailout deal must be torn up, though like most Greeks he says he wants to keep the euro, a position seen in Brussels as untenable without the bailout.

    The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.

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    After almost three years of constant turmoil and no actual progress apart from huge infusions of cash to keep the government able to pay its bills it appears the Greeks...........both citizens and their political class.............are finally going to have to fish or cut bait. There is no realistic  …

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  • 6
    May
    2012
    5:42am, EDT

    Greek voters deal blow to parties that have governed for decades

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    A man casts his vote for Greece's general elections at a polling station in Athens on Sunday.

    By ELENA BECATOROS and DEREK GATOPOULOS , The Associated Press

    Updated at 6:15 p.m. ET: ATHENS, Greece -- Greeks angered by a protracted financial crisis punished the parties that have dominated politics for decades Sunday, with projected election results showing them hemorrhaging support to anti-bailout groups and no party gaining enough ballots to form a government.

     

    Responding quickly to the protest vote, the heads of the parties in first and second place pledged to seek to either renegotiate the terms of Greece's multibillion dollar international bailout agreement or overturn it.

    More than two years of repeated austerity measures in return for bailout loans from other European Union countries and the IMF have pushed Greece into a deep recession that has seen the jobless rate explode and tens of thousands of businesses close. The misery has infuriated voters who on Sunday dealt a massive blow to the decades-old dominance of the country's two main parties, the socialist PASOK and conservative New Democracy.


    The two, which have alternated in power since the end of the seven-year dictatorship in 1974, had managed to coexist in an uneasy alliance for the past six months as a governing coalition cobbled together to secure a second bailout deal and the biggest debt writedown in history.

    Official projections Sunday showed New Democracy winning 18.9 percent, giving it 108 seats in the 300-member parliament - far short of the 151 needed to form a government. The anti-bailout left-wing Syriza party was projected second with 16.8 percent and 51 seats, and the formerly majority socialist PASOK lagged behind with 13.4 and 41 seats.

    Following votes in France and Greece, the euro fell to a three-week low. The votes are a response to austerity measures pushed by Germany. CNBC's John Harwood has more.

    The extremist far-right Golden Dawn party, which ran on an anti-immigrant platform and wants landmines along Greece's borders, is projected to win 7 percent of the vote, giving it 22 deputies in Parliament - a massive gain for a party that until a few months ago was on the fringes of Greek politics.

    With no outright majority, a coalition government will have to be formed. If successive efforts by the top three parties fail, the country will head into new elections - a prospect that has alarmed Greece's international creditors.

    Both New Democracy head Antonis Samaras and PASOK leader and former finance minister Evangelos Venizelos voiced support for a coalition - but with certain caveats.

    "The fact that New Democracy is the first party increases its responsibility, as it is now the only pillar of political stability in Greece," Samaras said. "We are ready to take up the responsibilty to form a new government of national salvation with two exclusive aims: For Greece to remain in the euro and to amend the terms of the loan agreements so that there is economic growth and relief for Greek society."

    Before the elections, Samaras had insisted he would not form a coalition with his socialist rivals.

    Syriza head Alexis Tsipras said the drubbing of New Democracy and PASOK, which had signed Greece's loan agreements, meant "their signatures have lost legal legitimacy by the popular vote."

    "The people have rewarded a proposal made by us to form a government of the Left that will cancel the loan agreements and overturn the course of our people toward misery," Tsipras said.

    Both statements are likely to alarm Greece's international creditors, who will be watching the debt-ridden country closely to see if it is meeting the strict fiscal targets of spending cuts and boosting revenue in return for rescue loans that are keeping it from default. The country is expected to take yet more austerity measures in June.

    Partial official results with 48 percent of the vote counted showed New Democracy with 20.05 percent, Syriza with 16.02 percent and PASOK with 13.84 percent.

    Golden Dawn, which rejects the neo-Nazi label and calls itself a nationalist partriotic party, had 6.86 percent - a meteoric rise for a party that won just 0.23 in the previous elections in 2009.

    "Greek citizens should not fear us, the only ones who should fear us are the traitors," Golden Dawn leader Nikolaos Michaloliakos told The Associated Press. The outcome is particularly devastating to PASOK, which won a landslide victory in the last parliamentary elections in 2009 with more than 43 percent of the vote.

    "For us at PASOK, the day is particularly painful," Venizelos said. "We new that we would pay the price, having taken a emotionally and politically unbearable position to take the measures that were necessary."

    He ruled out a two-party government with New Democracy and called for a broad coalition of pro-European parties, regardless of their stance on the bailouts.

    "A coalition government of the old two-party system would not have sufficient legitimacy or sufficient domestic and international credibility if it would gather a slim majority," Venizelos said. "A government of national unity with the participation of all the parties that favor a European course, regardless of their positions toward the loan agreements, would have meaning."

    Days of talks are expected as parties attempt to hammer out a governing coalition.

     

    Yannis Androutsopoulos / AP

    Former Socialist Prime Minister George Papandreou, second left, is welcomed by supporters prior to casting his ballot in Kalentzi, western Greece, on Sunday.

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    The Greeks have overspent and brought a terrible economic crisis upon themselves. Germany is the nation which holds this joke called the EU together and has a powerful economic base. It has already bailed the Greeks out and established benchmarks for them to meet. However, they're too spoiled in ord …

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    By The Associated Press

    The Dutch government, one of the most vocal critics of European countries failing to rein in their budgets, quit Monday after failing to agree on a plan to bring its own deficit in line with European Union rules. 

    The government information service announced Queen Beatrix had accepted the resignation of Prime Minister Mark Rutte and his Cabinet after a meeting in which Rutte told her talks on a new austerity package had failed over the weekend. 


    Rutte is to address parliament Tuesday to discuss interim measures to keep public finances in order and schedule new elections. No date for elections was immediately announced, but opposition lawmakers called for a vote as soon as possible. 

    The Dutch government collapse came a day after the first round election victory of France's soft-on-austerity socialist candidate Francois Hollande. It calls into question whether austerity policies that are causing trauma in countries such as Greece, Spain and Portugal can be enforced even in "core" European countries such as France — or the Netherlands, one of the few along with Germany to maintain an AAA credit rating. 

    Rutte's hopes to clinch a deal to cut the target below the EU's 3 percent target evaporated on Saturday, when his most important political ally, populist euroskeptic Geert Wilders walked out of the talks, saying a slavish adherence to European rules was foolish and would harm the Dutch economy.

    One third of land in debt-ridden Greece is up for sale

    That view is shared by some, such as the government's own Central Plan Bureau, and opposed by others, such as Dutch Central Bank President Klaas Knot. 

    "We don't want our pensioners to suffer for the sake of the dictators in Brussels," Wilders said. 

    Opposition lawmakers say they are prepared to work with Rutte to draw up a 2013 budget. 

    However, Diederik Samsom, leader of the opposition Labor Party, signaled he would not insist on bringing the Dutch deficit back in line with EU norms next year. 

    Although the Netherlands has relatively low levels of national debt, its economy is in recession and it is expected to post a deficit of 4.6 percent in 2012. 

    The package Rutte had been negotiating with Wilders would have slashed foreign aid and hastened a planned increase in the retirement age to 66 from 65. 

    Wilders, who is publishing a book in the U.S. next week about his struggle against Islam, said abruptly Saturday he could not support the package because it was unfriendly to the elderly. 

    Ratings agency Fitch last week warned the Netherlands stands to lose its AAA credit rating depending on the outcome of the budget talks that failed Saturday. 

    Central Bank President Knot has predicted Dutch interest rates will increase by around 1 percent if the country's rating is cut, making budget reform vital. 

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    What a bunch of lousy choices, foisted on the public by cowardly govt officials who won't make the tough calls, or more accurately choices we've foisted upon ourselves by being too selfish to vote for the country's best interests instead of our own. Of course Austerity will lead to economic pain! C …

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    One third of land in debt-ridden Greece is up for sale

    John Kolesidis / Reuters

    A man walks next to policemen outside an Eurobank branch in Athens, March 21.

    By Alastair Jamieson, msnbc.com

    One third of all land in Greece is up for sale as the debt-crippled country tries to raise money from state assets, a state official reportedly said Wednesday – but little of it will help those wanting to snap up a dream home in the sunshine.

    Greek authorities are touting billions of euros worth of government-owned land in order to finance international bailout loans totaling $227 billion over the next few years.


    However, most of the sites are in industrial zones or tied to facilities such as airports, highways and energy firms, according to a report by Turkey-based news Web site Hurriyet Daily News.

    The report said Greece is targeting its immediate neighbor, Turkey, as potentially a large source of investment.

    “One third of Greek land is on sale,” the report quoted Panos Protopsaltis, head of the Privatization Program of the Hellenic Republic Asset Development Fund, as saying.

    Customers flock to Greek farmers selling cheap spuds

    The organization is offering some 50 billion euros worth of assets for sale, and hopes to generate nearly 19 billion euros in cash by as early as 2015, the report added.

    A truck assembly plant, sewage works and ports are also up for grabs, along with land on some of the country’s islands popular with tourists.

    But tough rules on property transactions in Greece, coupled with an absence of spare land in the most sought-after areas, make it unlikely the country will see a huge influx of private buyers looking to take advantage of the 30 per cent drop in house prices over the past three years.

    “Unless you have the cash to buy outright it is very difficult because the Greek banks simply aren’t lending,” UK-based property investment consultant Simon Conn told msnbc.com. “In addition, there are requirements such as having the legal documents translated into your own language. Also, buyers need to be careful. There is a reason a piece of land or building plot is up for sale in the first place; if it seems too good to be true, it probably is.”

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    There are also concerns Greece could suffer further economic difficulties in the future, making it a risky proposition for anyone wanting a holiday home in the sun.

    A spokesman for Internet property site Rightmove Overseas told msnbc.com: "When the Greek economy first hit the news back in June 2011, we saw a jump of 50 per cent in searches for Greek island based properties compared to the month before. Greece has been in the top 10 most popular countries ever since, potentially fuelled by speculative investors looking for a low priced investment opportunity.

    "However, we see Greece mainly as an opportunity for experienced investors; if you want to buy an office block in Athens, rather than a retirement home overlooking the sea, then now is a suitable opportunity."

    Cartoon: Greece bailout

    Greece has recently received the first installments of its rescue loans, including $7.8 billion from countries that are in the Euro currency zone and a further $2.1 billion from the International Monetary Fund.

    In exchange for the support, Greece has agreed to deeply unpopular austerity measures such as cuts to wages and public services, including hospitals.

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    Coming to a country near you soon, IF the incumbant president on training wheels were to be re-elected, which he will not. The Obama Administration: Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc'-ra-cy) -- a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing; and, where t …

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