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  • 21
    Mar
    2013
    12:28pm, EDT

    Remember September: Scotland sets date to vote on independence from UK

    David Moir / Reuters

    A teacher and schoolgirl run in front of a sign indicating the date of Scotland's independence referendum outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh on Thursday.

    By Alastair Jamieson, Staff writer, NBC News

    Scotland will hold an independence referendum on Sept. 18, 2014, its First Minister Alex Salmond said Thursday — a vote that could see it split from the rest of Britain.

    The announcement of the date was the latest step in the process toward possible independence for the nation’s 5 million citizens.

    Voters will be asked a single question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?"


    Scotland has a government, in Edinburgh, but remains under the ultimate authority of the United Kingdom. It elects lawmakers to both its own parliament, which handles most day-to-day matters, and the House of Commons in London, which controls defense, immigration and UK-wide taxation.

     

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    First Minister Alex Salmond answers questions at the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, Scotland, on Thursday.

    Salmond's pro-independence Scottish National Party, or SNP, won a majority in the Scottish Parliament in May 2011 elections, providing what he called a "once-in-a-generation" chance for Edinburgh to break ties with London.

    His deputy, Nicola Sturgeon, said the event would be a "momentous day for Scotland."

    But the SNP faces an uphill battle to win the referendum, Reuters reported, with opinion polls putting support for independence at about 30 percent of the electorate in Scotland, while about 50 percent favor the status quo.

    Announcing the date as he unveiled the Scottish Independence Referendum Bill in the Scottish Parliament, Salmond said: “I believe it will be the day we take responsibility for our country, when we are able to speak with our own voice, choose our own direction and contribute in our distinct way,” the BBC reported.

    The vote is slightly earlier than had been expected and will take place slightly before the Ryder Cup golf tournament is staged at Gleneagles —one of the events that people had assumed would be used to build up a feel-good factor in the run-up to the plebiscite, The Scotsman newspaper reported.

    However, The Herald newspaper noted that having the vote earlier allowed independence supporters “to hope for a feelgood bounce” from Glasgow’s Commonwealth Games, which take place in July and August, as well as from the build-up to the Ryder Cup.

    The SNP complains that the British Parliament, where members representing Scotland are a small minority because England has a much bigger population of 53 million, does not have the particular interests of the Scottish people at heart.

    Reuters summarized the independence debate, shortened to 'indyref' on social media:

    The SNP argues that North Sea Oil revenues combined with the local farming, fishing and whisky industries would enable an independent Scotland to prosper.

    But other parties in Edinburgh and the London government say both Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom would lose out.

    Critics of the SNP say oil reserves are dwindling and Scotland would lose the disproportionately generous share of taxpayer money raised across Britain that it currently receives.

    Scottish secession would pose serious challenges to the remainder of the United Kingdom, such as what to do about its Trident nuclear submarine fleet which is based in Scotland.

    Reuters contributed to this report.

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    Freeeeeeedooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom~! - William Wallace

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  • 24
    Nov
    2012
    6:58am, EST

    Kids removed from UK couple over support for 'independence' from Europe

    By Ian Johnston, NBC News

    LONDON -- Three children were removed from the care of an English couple because their support for the U.K. Independence Party meant they were unsuitable to provide foster care, an official said Saturday.

    Local government body Rotherham Council said that the three children were not “indigenous white British” and that social workers had raised concerns about the UKIP political party’s stance on immigration, ITV News reported.

    Joyce Thacker, the director for children and young people's services at Rotherham Council, told BBC News that the children were placed with the couple on an emergency basis and were not due to remain with them permanently. She confirmed they had been removed from the couple's care.

    “If the party [UKIP] mantra … is ending the active promotion of multiculturalism, I have to think about that,” she added. “I think they [UKIP] have very clear views on immigration.”

    She told the BBC that the decision had not been “easy” and she did not think UKIP was a “racist party.”

    'Ruled by this regime'
    UKIP campaigns for Britain to withdraw from the European Union, saying "we do not have to be ruled by this regime" in order to trade with European countries.

    On immigration, it says "the tide of mass EU immigration has pushed down wages and restricted job opportunities. Only by leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders." The party is calling for a permanent immigration freeze for 5 years and says immigrants "must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves."

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    UKIP party leader Nigel Farage said in messages on Twitter that the authorities “clearly have no understanding of UKIP and by their actions, clearly no desire to know.”

    He said the council was “partially backtracking” by saying the couple would still be allowed “to adopt. But by the sounds of it, only white children. New Apardheid? [sic]” 

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    The British Education Secretary Michael Gove, a member of the center-right Conservative Party, also attacked the decision, ITV News reported.

    “Rotherham's reasons for denying this family the chance to foster are indefensible. The ideology behind their decision is actively harmful to children,” he said.

    “We should not allow considerations of ethnic or cultural background to prevent children being placed with loving and stable families. We need more parents to foster, and many more to adopt,” he added.

    The center-left Labour Party said in a message on Twitter that “Membership of UKIP shouldn't block parents from adopting children. There needs to be an urgent investigation by Rotherham Council into this.”

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    Good lord, what a bunch of left-wing drones on these messageboards. So if I happen to believe that "immigrants must be fluent in English, have minimum education levels and show they can financially support themselves" and want to pull the US out of NAFTA, I shouldn't be allowed to be a foster parent …

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  • 22
    Nov
    2012
    7:49am, EST

    Catalonia faces key test over bid to split from Spain

    Emilio Morenatti / AP

    Supporters of center-right Catalan Nationalist Coalition leader Artur Mas wave pro-independence "estelada" flags during a campaign meeting in Barcelona, Spain, Thursday.

    By The Associated Press

    GIRONA, Spain -- As in towns across this wealthy northeastern region, the maze-like cobblestone streets of Girona's medieval quarter are fluttering with flags in favor of Catalonia's independence.


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    But while the separatist dream of millions has never felt so close to becoming a reality, independence fervor is now coming up against the cold, hard facts of what breaking free could mean.

    For this Spanish region famed for its trading prowess might be shut out of the European Union for years, a huge hurdle to doing business with its most important trading partners.

    EU officials say an independent Catalonia would face the same membership conditions of any other candidate nation. 

    Catalonia holds elections on Sunday that will be seen as a test of the regional government's plans to hold a referendum on independence, and one of the key issues emerging is the theoretical place of a free Catalonia in Europe. 

    A survey published by El Pais newspaper this month showed that while nearly half of Catalans support independence, the number drops to 37 percent if it means being out of the EU. 

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    Tough membership conditions aren't the only thing possibly standing in the way. The European Union's treaty states that each of the 27 member states can veto a candidate nation's accession, so a vengeful Spain could block Catalonia's entry. 

    "Now we want to be a state inside Europe," said Josep Matamala, who helped create a banner combining a pro-EU slogan with the red-and-yellow stripes, blue triangle and white star of the "estelada" flag that symbolizes Catalonia's independence drive. 

    'We trust Europe'
    Catalonia's regional president Artur Mas, who is leading the independence charge, has voiced optimism — perhaps wishful thinking — that an independent Catalonia would be swiftly embraced into the EU fold.

    In a recent speech in Brussels, he declared: "Catalonia has never in its history let Europe down, now we trust Europe will not let us down." 

    Some pro-independence voters simply can't fathom being cast out of the EU. "I imagine that if faced with a majority of Catalans who vote yes for independence in a referendum, (the EU) wouldn't be able to turn its back on us," said 35-year-old Girona music teacher Merce Escarra. 

    In 2010, Escarra was featured in the local press when she was asked by the owner of the building where she lives to remove the "estelada" flag from her balcony. "I said I had a legitimate right to protest and left it up, and it has been there ever since," she said. 

    Two years later it is difficult to find a building in Girona that isn't bedecked with the red-and-yellow Catalan flag or the pro-independence "estelada." 

    "Now there has been a boom in the pro-independence movement," Escarra said.

    Money, neglect and language
    Her reasons for wanting independence are representative of millions of Catalans: The region pays more than it receives back in taxes; its infrastructure has been neglected by the central government; and independence would ensure the survival of the Catalan language. 

    While most of Catalonia's business community is taking a wait-and-see attitude, Jose Manuel Lara, the president of media giant Planeta, said he would move his company from Barcelona to Spain if Catalonia went independent, in order to remain based in the EU. 

    Ramon Tremosa, a European parliament member from Mas' pro-independence party, said that Catalonia's fate would hinge on pressure being applied on Spain by other European powers and the multinational companies established in Catalonia, which would be anxious for a quick return to business as usual. 

    "I can't imagine the 4,000 multinationals (in Catalonia) allowing themselves to be expelled from the EU, from the euro and the free movement of goods and capital, it's not realistic," Tremosa told The Associated Press. "Spain would not be able to stop it because it is heading toward a bailout." 

    European law experts were uncertain about how quickly an independent Catalonia could join the EU.

    Nicolas Zambrana, professor of international law at the University of Navarra, was pessimistic. "Spain would be in a good position to prevent Catalonia from returning to the EU," he said. 

    And the idea of a fledgling Catalan state left out in the European cold is giving some independence supporters second thoughts. 

    "It worries me," said Monica Casares, a 41-year-old mother of two who lives just north of Barcelona. "Taking into account that we would face a Spanish boycott on Catalan products for sure, and that we would also have to pay more on exports, we would have a big problem." 

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    Why becoming a tiny nation and impoverish themselves? Businesses will be leaving to Spain to trade with the EU and at the end Catalonia will become more isolated. Now they have many economical advantages as well as social ones, and they're almost independent anyway.

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  • 9
    Jul
    2012
    9:56am, EDT

    'We have waited for the flower of freedom': Blood and oil tinge South Sudan's first birthday

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    A man holds South Sudanese flags as he prepares to dance at the country's anniversary celebrations at the John Garang mausoleum in Juba on July 9, 2012.

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    Boys wash a tractor in the Pibor river in Pibor on June 24, 2012. All pictures made available to msnbc.com on July 9, 2012.

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    Children sing and dance on a Sunday morning at the Presbyterian Church of South Sudan in Pibor on June 24, 2012.

    Reuters reports — South Sudanese celebrating their nation's first birthday on Monday will bask in the pride of their hard-won political freedom, but many may ask when they will enjoy the material benefits promised by the government of former rebels. 

    Paula Bronstein / Getty Images

    South Sudan's first president, Salva Kiir, stands after placing flowers at the mausoleum for Dr. John Garang during a ceremony celebrating the first anniversary of South Sudan's independence day on July 9, 2012 in Juba.

    'Free at last': South Sudan is world's newest nation

    South Sudan split from Sudan after a civil war that killed some 2 million people over two decades, becoming the world's newest nation. But the jubilation that saturated the ramshackle capital last year has dimmed.

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    "We have waited for the flower of freedom," student Pater Achuil said as he sat in an unfinished building near Juba airport, shards of concrete poking through the capital's skyline behind him. Read the full story.

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    A boy sets up his shop at a market in Pibor on June 23, 2012.

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    A boy works in the corner of a classroom at Pibor Primary School in Pibor on June 25, 2012.

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    Cows are seen tied behind a house at sunset in Pibor on June 21, 2012.

     

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    we should look around us ,to be thankful of what we have

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  • 25
    May
    2012
    4:26pm, EDT

    With support from Sean Connery, Scotland launches independence campaign

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    Alex Salmond, Scotland's first minister and leader of the Scottish National Party attends a campaign for Scottish independence with supporters at Cineworld on May 25, 2012 in Edinburgh, Scotland.

    By Reuters

    With rousing speeches, patriotic music and support from actor Sean Connery, supporters of independence for Scotland launched a campaign on Friday that they hope will lead to the demise of a 305-year-old union with England and the breakup of Britain.

    "This is the beginning of something really special - the beginning of the campaign to restore nationhood to Scotland," Alex Salmond, leader of the Scottish National Party (SNP), told hundreds of supporters in a hall in the capital Edinburgh.

    "We want a Scotland that is fairer and more prosperous."


    The campaign hopes to tap into a blend of historical rivalry, different political tastes, and a perception that the British parliament in London does not safeguard Scotland's interests to win a referendum in 2014, which would pave the way for full independence two years later.

    If successful, the drive could create serious problems for Britain, which comprises England, Scotland and Wales (Britain is in turn part of the United Kingdom, which also includes Northern Ireland).

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    With its kilts and tartans, bagpipes and whiskey, Scotland has a distinctive, if romanticized, culture. It also has a darker history of poverty, violence and ill health, notably concentrated in the largest city Glasgow, once an engine of the British Empire.

    Scotland already has many of the trappings of an independent nation such as its own flag, sports teams, and a history of achievements in science and literature.

    Britain's current government, a coalition between the Conservative Party and the Liberal Democrat Party, is opposed to Scottish independence, as is the opposition Labour Party. Britain is stronger as a union, they argue, and an independent Scotland might struggle on Europe's fringes.

    The SNP's Salmond, speaking in front of a giant screen showing a cloud-flecked blue sky, had no such doubts.

    He said his aim was to get one million Scots to sign the "Yes Declaration" before the referendum.

    Support from Sean Connery
    Under a devolved system of government, the Scottish parliament created in 1999 controls health, education and prisons, while the British government in London controls everything else, including foreign policy and defense.

    "If the parliament can run education, why can't we run the economy? And if we can protect our old people why can't we protect ourselves without the obscenity of nuclear weapons?" Salmond told the audience.

    The launch event drew on rousing patriotic music and a film showing the country's stunning Highland landscapes, fishermen, universities, and, inevitably, leaping kilt-clad dancers.

    It also relied on celebrity endorsement. A message of support was read out from actor Sean Connery, an Edinburgh milkman before he found fame as secret agent James Bond.

    Hollywood actor Brian Cox called Scotland's current predicament "centralized servitude" and related how, like many Scots, he had become disenchanted by previous Labour governments led by former prime ministers Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

    "The parliament at Westminster can see no further than the end of its own bridge," he said.

    Scotland's national poet Liz Lochhead read out a poem focused on English-Scottish rivalry in the 16th century.

    Opinion polls show that around 40 percent of Scottish people are sympathetic to independence, with around 10 percent undecided and the remaining 50 percent opposed. South of the border in England, polls show people are largely apathetic.

    Author Harry Reid said the referendum's success may hinge on whether the Labour Party, traditionally popular in Scotland, can revive its fortunes.

    Scotland is more inclined to vote for the left, whereas English voters have voted in much larger numbers for the right, underscoring a political fault line between north and south.

    Although the Conservative Party won more votes than any other party at the last British general election in 2010, it won only one parliamentary seat in Scotland.

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    One joke doing the rounds since two Chinese pandas took up residence in Edinburgh Zoo notes that there are now more pandas in Scotland than Conservative MPs.

    Diminished role?
    Scotland's preference for a more center-left brand of politics that favors egalitarianism over the free market is reflected in education policy. In England, students have to pay large tuition fees to attend university, whereas in Scotland such education remains free for Scots.

    Reid said disenchanted Labour voters who switched to the SNP in disgust at Labour's support for U.S. foreign policy in Iraq and Afghanistan may yet return to the fold. If they do, Scotland's dreams of independence could evaporate, he said.

    "If we're going to get a decent Labour government back in 2015 people might wonder whether they really need independence."

    Despite its relatively small population of just over five million, compared to England's population of just over 52 million, there are also fears that a "yes" vote would diminish Britain's voice on the world stage.

    "The rest of the world would be surprised and shocked that the UK was unable to hold together," Professor John Curtice of the University of Strathclyde told Reuters in a phone interview.


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    Britain would find it harder to maintain its voice within international bodies such as at the U.N. Security Council or the European Union.

    There are also questions about whether Britain would be able to keep its nuclear submarine fleet in Scotland, where it's now based. Also, revenues from Scottish North Sea oil remain important to its coffers.

    But history runs deep and, symbolically, the independence referendum will be held on the 700th anniversary of the 1314 Battle of Bannockburn, when an army commanded by England's King Edward II was defeated by a smaller force led by Robert the Bruce, a source of enduring pride for Scottish patriots.

    Scotland and England have shared a monarch since 1603 and have been ruled by one single parliament in London since 1707. The SNP's Salmond has said an independent Scotland would retain Queen Elizabeth II as its monarch.

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    Laddies, the best of luck. You sure really don't need England to tell ya what to do! We yanks figured it out a few years ago...

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  • 23
    Jan
    2012
    8:46am, EST

    Wanted activist Benny Wenda tells of 'bows and arrows' revolt

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    Papuan demonstrators wave a banned flag during before police opened fire to break up the protest on Dec. 1, 2011.

    By Ian Johnston, msnbc.com

    Benny Wenda was born in a village of the Lani people in the Baliem valley, a remote and beautiful mountain region of West Papua. It should have been an idyllic childhood.

    Instead Wenda says one of his earliest memories is the bombing of his village in 1977; that at the age of five he witnessed his aunts being raped — "it make me hard cry, you know?"  — and that later his uncle Kepas was beaten and buried alive.

    The culprits, he told msnbc.com, were Indonesia's security forces.

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    As an adult, Wenda became a leader of the campaign for West Papuan independence. But he then found himself accused of inciting people to attack a police station and an arson attack that resulted in several deaths.


    While awaiting sentence in 2002, he escaped prison after hearing rumors he was going to be killed and fled Indonesia.

    Wenda was granted asylum in Britain and settled down with his family in Oxford, while still continuing to campaign for freedom for his people and setting up his own website.

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    Benny Wenda protests in London on April 15, 2010.

    But late last year, he became aware that Interpol had issued a "red notice" for him at Indonesia's request and that he was listed as a "wanted person" on Interpol's website.

    "I think Indonesia is just trying to stop me and my campaign," he told msnbc.com. "Because I'm getting support around the world, that's why they put Interpol on me. I'm telling the truth and I'm standing for my people."

    'Justice, freedom and dignity'
    Wenda admitted there was an armed resistance movement in West Papua, but said they were freedom fighters, not terrorists.

    "They are standing for justice, freedom and dignity," he said.

    Wenda said some fighters had guns but "mainly they are fighting with bows and arrows."

    "They know where to go, they are hiding on their own lands, hiding in the bush," he said, of their conflict with one of the world's largest militaries.

    "We're not scared of those Indonesians, because we are standing for our rights," Wenda said.

    In 2004, a 75-page Yale Law School report detailed bombings of the Baliem Valley in 1977, citing a former Indonesian official's estimate that 3,000 people had died.

    "The Jakarta daily, Kompas, reported ... (the) 'Baliem River was so full of corpses that for a month and a half ... people could not bring themselves to eat fish'," the report said.

    Natural resources
    Wenda said while the U.S., U.K. and other countries had previously been mainly interested in the region's natural resources, he sensed "a new generation" of politicians were changing their views.

    In October, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton voiced her concern about violence and human rights violations in the region, the Jakarta Globe reported in an article that said 2011 had been "marked by violence and increased militarization."

    Indonesia says West Papua — officially divided by Indonesia into the regions of Papua and West Papua, names rejected by Wenda — belongs to them because it was part of the Dutch East Indies colony, which became independent as Indonesia in 1949.

    The Dutch retained control over West Papua at that time and in 1961, Indonesia threatened to invade. After discussions at the United Nations, it was decided to let West Papuans make the decision in an "Act of Free Choice" in 1969. Just over 1,000 specially chosen tribal leaders voted.

    'A Greek tragedy'
    According to an article published by The George Washington University in 2004, a secret U.S. Embassy telegram in 1969 said the Act was "unfolding like a Greek tragedy, the conclusion preordained."

    "Dissident activity is likely to increase but the Indonesian armed forces will be able to contain and, if necessary, suppress it," it added.

    Ambassador Frank Galbraith said in another secret 1969 document that "possibly 85 to 90 percent" of the population "are in sympathy with the Free Papua cause." He added that recent Indonesian military operations had resulted in the deaths of hundreds, possibly thousands of civilians, leading to rumors of "intended genocide."

    However, secret briefing papers show that Henry Kissinger told President Richard Nixon not to raise the West Papuan issue on a July 1969 visit to Indonesian capital Jakarta, the GWU article said.

    According to Amnesty International, "human rights violations are a daily reality" in modern-day West Papua.

    "Freedom of express and association are severely restricted. Since the late 1990s, hundreds of people have been arrested for pro-independence activities, and dozens of peaceful protesters remain in prison," Amnesty says on its website.

    "Reports indicate that the security forces use unnecessary force during demonstrations, and torture those who are perceived to be pro-independence supporters ... torture by Indonesian police is also widespread," it adds.

    In Nov. 2001, BBC News quoted an Indonesian official as saying Wenda was part of a "clandestine organization dedicated to secede from Indonesia using any means available to them."

    Billy Wibisono, Third Secretary (Information and Socio-Cultural Affairs) at the Indonesian Embassy in London, told the BBC: "Mr. Wenda and several other accomplices participated in an attack of the Abepura Police Station on December 7, 2000 and caused the deaths and destruction of property."

    He told the BBC that six police officers and civilians were killed. Wibisono added that the red notice would be withdrawn if Wenda "can prove his innocence in our court of law."

    Father of six
    Now a U.K. citizen and living with his wife Maria and six children, aged from one-and-a-half to 11, Wenda said he was confident he is safe from the Indonesian authorities.

    "I'm not alone, because all the British people are surrounding me. They are really nice people," he said, adding that he has not heard anything from the British authorities about the red notice.

    But his children are not so certain.

    "They are really scared. My oldest daughter ... she really worries because 'I don't want my daddy in prison again, I don't want my daddy tortured again,'" he said.

    "I'm confident one day my people will be free, just like other people. That is my dream: One day my people will be able to get freedom."

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    Look closely at the picture he holds in his hands. It is a giant gold and copper mine run by a US company. It is all about money, as usual: Freeport/Rio Tinto named biggest polluterPT Freeport Indonesia - miners of the giant Grasberg copper and gold deposit in West Papua's central highlands - has  …

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