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    White House wants 'actions' -- not 'nice words' -- before talks with N. Korea

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    White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough appears on CBS's "Face the Nation" on Sunday in Washington, DC.

    By Daniel Arkin, Staff Writer, NBC News

    The Obama administration on Sunday signaled that it would be open to holding nuclear and security talks with North Korea as long as those discussions are “real" and "based on them living up to their obligations" — including denuclearization.

    White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, appearing on CBS’ “Face the Nation” a day after Pyongyang proposed high-level talks with Washington, said the North must dismantle its nuclear program before the U.S. agrees to face-to-face conversations.


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    “Those talks have to be real,” McDonough said. “We’ll judge them by their actions, not by the nice words that we heard yesterday.”

    The National Security Council struck a similar chord Sunday, saying the Obama administration wants “credible negotiations” with North Korea.

    North Korea must live up to “its obligations to the world” and observe United Nations resolutions, National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said.

    Pyongyang’s top government body on Saturday offered to hold “senior-level” talks with Washington after months of acrimony between the two governments.

    “In order to ease tensions on the Korean peninsula and to achieve regional peace and safety, we propose to hold high-level talks between (North Korea) and the United States,” said a spokesman for the North’s National Defense Commission in a statement released to the state-owned KCNA news agency Sunday.

    The United States, along with Japan and South Korea, are expected to discuss the North's invitation in Washington this week, according to The Associated Press.

    Hostility between the two nations has swelled in recent months, following the North’s launch of a long-range rocket in December and a nuclear test in February.

    Acrimony began to lessen in May and June, as Pyongyang extended a hesitant olive branch to the U.S. and South Korea.

    The South and Korea agreed to hold high-level talks in Seoul in early June, but the meetings were cancelled after conflict over logistics.

    Pyongyang’s sudden interest in closer ties with the South and friendlier relations with the U.S. may stem from pressure from Beijing, as some security analysts have speculated.

    Chinese President Xi Jinping and President Barack Obama signaled their agreement on the weapons issue at a recent summit in California, saying that North Korea’s nuclear program poses a significant threat to the international community.

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    Has anyone seen the North Korean propoganda film on youtube?....its hilarious. They tell their people that Americans are all homeless and forced to drink coffee made out of snow. Thats what happens when a government is given the power to lie to its people and the media looks the other way.....

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  • 10
    Apr
    2013
    7:52am, EDT

    Pakistan test-fires nuclear-capable missile that could hit deep within India

    Pakistan said Wednesday that it had successfully fired a nuclear-capable intermediate-range ballistic missile. NBCNews.com's Dara Brown reports.

    By John Newland and Fakhar Rehman, NBC News

    ISLAMABAD, Pakistan – Pakistan raised its nuclear ante Wednesday by saying it had conducted a successful test of an intermediate-range ballistic missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead almost 600 miles, far enough to strike deep within India, its nuclear-armed neighbor.

    The Shaheen-1 missile struck its intended target at sea, according to a statement from the Pakistani military.

    The missile incorporates a series of technical improvements and has a longer range than its predecessors, the statement said.

    Pakistan has an arsenal of at least 90 nuclear warheads and has been quickly increasing the range of its missiles, according to a report from the Congressional Research Service. 

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists says Pakistan has the world's fastest-growing nuclear stockpile.

    Meanwhile, India has an estimated 100 nuclear weapons, according to the Arms Control Association, and tensions between the next-door neighbors, which have historically been high, have risen lately with a conflict over the disputed Kashmir territory.

    In August 2012, Indian External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna hinted at Pakistan when he mentioned “rampant proliferation in our extended neighborhood” during a speech in New Delhi.

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    “Nuclear weapons today are an integral part of our national security and will remain so,” Krishna said.

    Pakistan, whose foreign ministry has said the country "is mindful of the need to avoid an arms race with India,” said Wednesday that the Shaheen-1 can accurately hit a target up to 560 miles away, compared with 430 miles for the previous version.

    Senior military officers, along with scientists and engineers from the National Engineering and Scientific Commission, watched the launch, the government said.

    Among those on hand was retired Lt. Gen. Khalid Ahmed Kidwai, director general of the country’s Strategic Plans Division, who was quoted by the government as saying the new version of the missile had “consolidated and strengthened Pakistan’s deterrence abilities manifold.”

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    While the world is so focused on Iran, Syria, North Korea, etc, Pakistan has had Nuclear weapons for YEARS and working hard to improve their range.

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  • 4
    Apr
    2013
    4:09am, EDT

    What happens if North Korea gets out of hand? Here are some scenarios

    In response to North Korea's announcement that they will be deploying "small, light" nuclear strikes, the Pentagon has announced it is sending an anti-ballistic missile system to Guam. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

    By M. Alex Johnson, staff writer, NBC News

    While political and military analysts sound pretty confident that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's threats are just bluster, you can't get around the fact that the region encompassing the Korean peninsula is one of the most heavily militarized places on Earth, home to three of the world's six-largest militaries.

    If the unthinkable were to happen, how would it play out?

    Leon Panetta, who stepped down as President Barack Obama's defense secretary in February, warned this week in an interview with CNBC that "we don't have as much insight as we should with regards to the inner workings of what happens in North Korea."

    But based on declassified U.S. and U.N. assessments and independent analyses by military scholars, we can make some educated guesses:


    How would North Korea attack?
    Probably with a massive ground assault backed by artillery fire. That's because North Korea's standing military, according to the best U.S. and U.N. intelligence assessments, is the fourth largest in the world, at 1.1 million members. South Korea's, by contrast, is about 690,000 strong.

    Library of Congress Federal Research Division

    That ratio — a manpower superiority of roughly 3-to-2 for the North — is remarkably consistent across calculations of the countries' weaponry, too. By about the same proportion, the North has more tanks, more artillery, more planes, more ships, more missiles. 

    In a 2008 report commissioned by the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress depicted North Korea as, in essence, one giant military installation (see map at right).

    How would South Korea respond?
    By being smarter and nimbler.

    Much of the North's equipment is seriously outdated, going back to its alliance with the former Soviet Union during the Cold War. 

    The South's weaponry is less extensive but far more advanced, thanks to modern equipment provided by the U.S. 

    "Overall, South Korea's armed forces have become one of the world's more capable militaries and present a formidable forward defense against any possible attack by North Korea," the British-based International Institute for Strategic Studies concluded in 2011.

    All of that presumes that North Korean troops could make it into the South in the first place. To get there, they would have to go through about 28,000 U.S. troops stationed along the Demilitarized Zone separating the two countries, supported by about 40,000 more just a short hop away in Japan and on a large military base in Guam.

    Doesn't Kim have China to back him up?
    In theory, yes, and that's no small matter. 

    China's 2.3-million-strong miitary is the world's biggest, outpacing the U.S.'s by almost 40 percent. In its annual report to Congress last year, the U.S. Defense Department didn't estimate how many Chinese forces might be based in North Korea, but it did outline the massive array of forces China is believed to have inside its own borders facing the Korean peninsula:

    The map at left depicts China's naval buildup around the Korean peninsula. The map at right details army deployments. Click each map for its full-size version.

    But it's not clear that China has the stomach for a fight. Beijing has signaled its displeasure with the North's recent provocations — just last month, it voted for a U.N. resolution to impose sanctions in response to North Korea's announcement of a nuclear test on Feb. 12.

    P.J. Crowley, an assistant secretary of state during Obama's first term, told NBC News that Kim's erratic behavior has created major "frustration" in Beijing, which he said "does not want to see an implosion of North Korea."

    The U.S., on the other hand, has made it clear that it will defend South Korea. To drive home the point, it sent F-22 stealth fighter jets to South Korea as part of military exercises in a show of force Sunday. And it has sent two warships to the western Pacific to watch for missiles and will soon send an advanced anti-ballistic missile system to its base on Guam, defense officials said.

    Military and political analysts say China doesn't want a showdown over the Koreas because then the superpowers' nuclear arsenals become a factor. The U.S. said in an unclassified 2010 report (.pdf) that its stockpile was about 5,100 warheads — more than 20 times that of China, which the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists estimated in 2011 at 240.

    How long could South Korea hold out?
    Much longer than the North.

    If North Korea were to employ nuclear weapons, it would impact U.S. troops and pressure Japan and South Korea to also consider obtaining nuclear weapons – something that could lead to an all-out arms race.  NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

    To put it bluntly — as the CIA did in an economic assessment last month — North Korea is a mess internally. Industrial and power output have receded to pre-1990 levels, while frequent crop failures since a devastating famine in 1995 have compounded food shortages that have fueled chronic malnutrition. All that's keeping its people afloat are international food aid deliveries, mainly from China, which would almost certainly be disrupted or cut off in a war.

    South Korea, in sharp contrast, boasts a high-tech industrialized economy — one of the 20 biggest in the world, the CIA reported. It has numerous trading partners worldwide to keep it fed and supplied. And because its communications and transportation systems are among the best in the world, it would be much better placed to coordinate civil defense and to move people and material out of harm's way.

    So if a traditional assault is unwinnable, what are Kim's options?
    Very scary ones.

    The Center for International Studies and Research, a nonpartisan French research agency, calculated in October (.pdf) that the North can deploy "a full array of what are typically described as weapons of mass destruction" — one of the biggest chemical and biological stockpiles in the world at 2,500 to 5,000 metric tons, mostly tabun (a nerve agent) and mustard gas.

    In a technically secret process, South Korea is believed to have told the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons that it had destroyed its chemical weapons in 2008.

    And then there are North Korea's own nuclear weapons — the real wild card in the deck.

    U.S. officials and other researchers say North Korea may already have a few dozen warheads that could be fitted atop its vast fleet of ballistic missiles. They're fully capable of hitting targets in Japan, South Korea or elsewhere in the northern Pacific, the officials said.

    Kim may be bluffing, as his father and grandfather did before him. But those weapons mean he must always be taken seriously.

    Mission No. 1, Crowley said, is "figure out a way to denuclearize North Korea."

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    Why doesn't Obama send in the drones? Oh I forgot, he's saving the drones for US citizens.

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  • Updated
    3
    Apr
    2013
    10:14am, EDT

    How do you solve a problem like North Korea? Three viewpoints

    Vowing to reopen the Yongbyong nuclear reactor, North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un showed no sign he's listening to the outside world and has no intention of giving up their nuclear weapons. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

    By Tracy Connor, Staff Writer, NBC News

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un's brinkmanship is in full bloom. He's ordered the missiles prepped, dismissed the armistice and announced plans to bring a nuclear reactor back on line.

    The U.S. response -- a restrained show of force by fighter jets and warships, along with comments that simultaneously decry and downplay the threat -- has not stopped the threats.

    Foreign-policy analysts agree the situation is troubling, though there's a deep difference of opinion on what approach would convince Kim to play nice.

    Ignore him
    The U.S. routine of flexing its muscles whenever Pyongyang lobs another threat Washington's way is playing right into Kim's hands, said Doug Bandow, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute. Like many a parenting expert, he believes the White House should react to North Korea's bad behavior by ignoring it.

    North Korea first became a nuclear power when Bill Clinton was president and dialed down efforts after receiving aid, but now they are ready to restart their nuclear program.  What is also worrisome is that South Korea and Japan are now talking about trying to get nuclear weapons. NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports.

    Ordering fighter and bomber flyovers meant to show the U.S. means business "just reinforces their behavior," Bandow said. "It gives them attention, showing how this bankrupt, starving country can get a response from the great superpower.

    "We are acting as if we are worried about them. To my mind, the response should be, 'Who? Oh, THEM.'"

    Yes, Kim could respond to the cold shoulder by ramping up the provocations to get some kind of response, but he's already used up so many that "at some point it's hard to imagine what new threats he could make," Bandow said.


    Photos of Kim surveying U.S.-bound missile routes aside, Bandow finds it hard to believe that he's truly the supreme commander "with the power by himself to careen off into war."

    "There's nothing to suggest they're suicidal," he said of the regime. But "it's easy to make a mistake" when tensions are escalating fast, he added.

    The solution is for the U.S. to disengage. "Why is North Korea our problem?" he said.

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    In a picture released by North Korea's official news agency, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un convenes an operations meeting March 29 at an undisclosed location where he ordered strategic rocket forces to be on standby to strike U.S. and South Korean targets.

    Punish him
    Ignoring the threats would be a terrible mistake, according to Gordon Chang, author of "Nuclear Showdown: North Korea Takes on the World," who says the U.S. should be stepping up action against a nuclear-capable North Korea.

    He said B-2 bomber and F-22 Raptor overflights should continue, if only to send a message to the South Korean public, which is increasingly losing confidence in America's ability to defend them and pushing for Seoul to develop its own nuclear program, which would destabilize the region.

    The time has come for stepped-up interdiction of North Korean shipping and aircraft movements, to stop Pyongyang from selling nuclear technology to Iran with the cooperation of China, he said.

    And Chang said the Obama administration should be driving a wedge between North Korea and China by telling Beijing there will be consequences if it continues cozying up to Kim. "North Korea would not be making these threats if they felt like the Chinese were going to clamp down on them," he said.

    Chang does not buy the argument that North Korea doesn't have many more tricks up its sleeve, noting that Kim could make good on his threat to shut down the jointly run Kaesong Industrial Region, the main symbol of cooperation with the South.

    Hours after this interview, North Korean authorities were not allowing South Korean workers into Kaesong, according to the South Korea's Unification Ministry and Reuters.

    Bae Jung-Hyun/Yonhap via AP

    A U.S. Air Force F-16 fighter jet lands on the runway during military exercises at the Osan U.S. Air Base in Pyeongtaek, south of Seoul, South Korea, on Tuesday.

    The U.S. should one-up Kim's declaration that the armistice in place for 60 years has been replaced by a state of war -- and agree that the armistice is over, so the U.S. is legally able to use force.

    "That would shake up the North Korean regime," he said. "It would show there's a new attitude in Washington."

    "What I argue for has very substantial downsides, but they are the least worst solutions," he added. "Nobody wants to provoke a crisis, but it's that type of thinking that got us into this situation."

    Hug it out
    Little more than a year into the job held by his father and his grandfather, Kim has managed to paint himself into a corner -- and the U.S. needs to give him a way out, says Han Park, a University of Georgia professor who has served as an unofficial negotiator in North Korea.

    Because he has not consolidated his power at home, the fledgling leader cannot back off. "There has to be a face-saving device," Park said.

    "Sanctions will not work. They have never worked," the professor said. "It will aggravate the North Korean leadership even more."

    Now that it has some nuclear capability, Pyongyang will not relinquish it unless its security is assured, he said. And the only way to do that is bestowing diplomatic recognition on North Korea and working toward a peace treaty.

    Without good-faith talks, Kim will stay on a collision course with the U.S.

    "Military confrontation would be unthinkable, but unthinkable things can happen," Park said.

    There's no question North Korea would be on the losing end of a conflict, he said. Regardless, "war is something that we cannot afford."

    "Giving North Korea peace? What's wrong with that?" he said.

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    This story was originally published on Tue Apr 2, 2013 7:42 PM EDT

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    Pick a small city and smoke it then play musical chairs with the rest..........

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  • Updated
    2
    Apr
    2013
    1:38am, EDT

    North Korea to restart Yongbyon nuclear reactor

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    A DigitalGlobe Satellite image shows construction at the North Korea's Yongbyon Nuclear complex on Nov. 2010.

    By Ju-min Park, Jack Kim and David Chance, Reuters

    SEOUL - North Korea will restart all nuclear facilities including its shuttered Yongbyon nuclear reactor, its official KCNA news service said on Tuesday.

    It will rebuild and restart nuclear facilities including its mothballed uranium enrichment facility and the 5 MW Yongbyon reactor which it closed in 2007, KCNA quoted a spokesman at North Korea's atomic energy agency as saying.

    It said the nuclear facilities would be used for both electricity and military uses.


    Earlier, North Korea's leader appeared to tamp down hostile rhetoric that had threatened impending war with the United States and South Korea in a key speech published Tuesday that implied the isolated country was shifting its focus to development.

    Pyongyang has launched relentless verbal attacks and threats against the United States and South Korea since new U.N. sanctions punishing it for its February nuclear test were adopted and during military drills by the South and U.S. forces.

    But the speech delivered on Sunday by Kim Jong-Un focused on how nuclear capability supported economic development although it accused the United States of seeking to drag North Korea into an arms race in a bid to hinder its economic improvement.

    "It is on the basis of a strong nuclear strength that peace and prosperity can exist and so can the happiness of people's lives," Kim said in the speech delivered to the central committee meeting of the ruling Workers Party of Korea and published in full on Tuesday.

    Threats from North Korea have prompted the United States to beef up its forces on the peninsula and station a warship off the Korean peninsula overnight.

    US Navy shifts destroyer in wake of North Korea missile threats

    North Korea had cut off hotlines between it, the United States, South Korea and the United Nations and threatened to close a joint economic zone it runs with the South. It put its missile forces on full alert and threatened U.S. bases in the Pacific and on the mainland.

    Most people in Seoul, South Korea think North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is bluffing, but the question is "why?" Experts say Jong-un is in the process of consolidating power and planning to eliminate his rivals. NBC's Richard Engel reports from Seoul, South Korea.

    The North has promised its citizens that it would become a strong and prosperous nation and is moving towards celebrations of the April 15 birthday of its founder Kim Il-sung, the grandfather of the current leader.

    "The fact that this was made at the Party central committee meeting, which is the highest policy setting organ, indicates an attempt to highlight economic problems and shift the focus from security to the economy," said Yang Moo-jin of University of North Korean Studies in Seoul.

    The fortress island fixed in North Korea's sights

    The 30-year old Kim, who took office in December 2011, said that no nuclear state had been invaded in modern history and that "the greater the nuclear attack capability, the greater the strength of the deterrent against an invasion."

    "Our nuclear strength is a reliable war deterrent and a guarantee to protect our sovereignty," he said. 

    This story was originally published on Tue Apr 2, 2013 1:38 AM EDT

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    That nuclear genie we let out of the bottle will continue to keep popping up until one day it will scare the crap out of humanity...in a really bad sort of way...only then will we ever have a chance of taming it... because we all know it will never be put back in.

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  • Updated
    3
    Apr
    2013
    5:26am, EDT

    US Navy shifts destroyer in wake of North Korea missile threats

    Most people in Seoul, South Korea think North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is bluffing, but the question is "why?" Experts say Jong-un is in the process of consolidating power and planning to eliminate his rivals. NBC's Richard Engel reports from Seoul, South Korea.

    By Jim Miklaszewski and Courtney Kube, NBC News

    The U.S. Navy is shifting a guided-missile destroyer in the Pacific to waters off the Korean peninsula in the wake of ongoing rhetoric from North Korea, U.S. defense officials said.

    The USS McCain is capable of intercepting and destroying a missile, should North Korea decide to fire one off, the officials said.

    Still, U.S. defense officials insist that there is nothing to indicate that North Korea is on the verge of another launch. 

    The White House on Monday said the United States hasn’t seen large-scale movements from North Korean military forces in the aftermath of harsh rhetoric from the reclusive government.

    As North Korean state TV shows constant images of the army bombarding South Korea, North Korea's leader Kim Jong Un is saying his missiles are at the ready and has cut off emergency communications. NBC's Richard Engel reports.

    "I would note that despite the harsh rhetoric we are hearing from Pyongyang, we are not seeing changes to the North Korean military posture, such as large-scale mobilizations and positioning of forces," Carney said

    The McCain in December 2012 was moved to be in position to defend against a impending North Korean rocket launch.

    On Sunday, The United States sent F-22 stealth fighter jets to South Korea as part of military exercises in a move aimed at further deterring threats from North Korea against its neighbor.

    It was unclear if the McCain was also part of the ongoing military drills.

    It was earlier reported that the USS Fitzgerald, another guided missile destroyer, would be moved to the area, though it was only among the ships under consideration for the deployment.

    Also Monday, South Korean President Park Geun-hye appeared to give her country's military permission to strike back at any attack from the North without further word from Seoul, saying she took the North's escalating threats "very seriously," South Korean news agency Yonhap reported.

    "As commander-in-chief of the armed forces, I will trust the military's judgment on abrupt and surprise provocations by North Korea," she said, according to Yonhap.

    Master Sgt. Kevin J. Gruenwald / U.S. Air Force via Reuters, file

    Two U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor stealth jet fighters fly near Andersen Air Force Base in Guam in this handout photo dated August 4, 2010.

    The deployments and Park's remarks came as tensions approached an all-time high between Pyongyang and Washington.  

    Kim Jong Un has ratcheted up the rhetoric against both South Korea and the United States in recent months, and in February violated U.N. sanctions by ordering a nuclear weapons test. 

    On Saturday, North Korea said it had entered a "state of war" against South Korea, according to a statement reported by the North's official news agency, KCNA. 

    In an interview on CNBC Monday, former Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the United States needs to be "very concerned" by North Korea’s recent weapons test and "level of bellicosity" and do everything necessary to defend U.S. allies and interests.

    Panetta said while Kim Jung Un’s actions appear aimed at his internal situation the U.S. should “take nothing for granted” and be prepared.  The greatest danger right now, he said, appears to be the possibility of a miscalculation.

    "The reality is we don’t have as much insight as we should," Panetta said of Kim's motives.

    The stealth aircraft – two F-22 Raptors -- were deployed from Japan to the Osan Air Base in South Korea from Japan where they will remain on “static display” as part of the military drills, Pentagon spokesman George Little said. The F-22s are not expected to actively participate in any exercises, however.

    This is the fifth time F-22s have deployed to South Korea. Exercise Foal Eagle began on March 1 and will continue until the end of April.

    Kim has also recently threatened to "settle accounts" with the U.S. and posed near a chart that appeared to detail bombings of American cities.


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    The F-22 jets' arrival follows other recent displays of air power by the U.S. in South Korea. Last week B-52 bombers and B-2 stealth bombers were sent to the country for the annual exercise. 

    In North Korea, meanwhile, KCNA reported on an Easter service at which it said "the participants renewed the firm resolution to put the warmongers [the US and South Korea] into the red hot iron-pot of hell as early as possible."

    North Korea's stance, however, can be notoriously difficult to interpret.

    In a later release Monday on KCNA, Pyongyang announced the adoption of a law "consolidating" its position as a nuclear power that would use its weapons only “to repel invasion or attack from a hostile nuclear weapons state and make retaliatory strikes.”

    Among the law's pledges were that North Korea would store its weapons responsibly, that it would not use them against non-nuclear nations, and that it would participate in nonproliferation talks -- though the last clause came with the condition that there was “improvement of relations with hostile nuclear weapons states.”

    NBC News’ Andrew Rafferty, John Newland and Jeff Black contributed to this report.

    NBC's Jim Maceda reports on U.S. Navy movements of destroyers into the Pacific amid threats from North Korea.

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    This story was originally published on Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:45 PM EDT

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    And the pissing contest continues...

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  • 29
    Mar
    2013
    5:35pm, EDT

    North Korea threats predictable but Kim Jong Un is not, analysts say

    North Korea said on Saturday it was entering a "state of war" with South Korea. NBC's Ian Williams reports.

    By Tracy Connor, Staff Writer, NBC News

    Analysis

    Is Kim Jong Un crazy -- or crazy like a fox?

    Analysts said Friday there's a familiar method to the madness coming out of North Korea, where the rookie supreme leader has put rockets on standby, threatened to "settle accounts" with the U.S., and posed near a chart that appeared to map missile strikes on American cities. On Saturday, North Korea said it had entered a "state of war" against South Korea, according to a statement reported by the north's official news agency, KCNA. 

    Kim Jong Un's father and grandfather were also serial saber-rattlers when they headed the secretive regime, and experts said there are clear strategic reasons why the world's youngest head of state is ramping up the rhetoric now, after little more than a year in power.

    But if the bluster is predictable, the results may not be.


    North Korea has enhanced its nuclear capabilities and Kim Jong Un has something to prove to his people and the world. Some outside observers are warning that a misstep, or overstep, by Pyongyang could bring north Asia to the brink of war.

    NBC's Kristen Welker has more on Washington's reaction to North Korea's threats.

    "I think there is always room for miscalculation and things spiraling out of control," said Sung-Youn Lee, professor at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. "But he is following the playbook set by his father and grandfather."

    North Korea is "very adept at engaging at psychological warfare," Lee said. It cranks up the tensions, putting pressure on Seoul and Washington, and is rewarded with aid and concessions when it tones things down, Lee said.

    "No leader wants a foreign policy crisis created by North Korea on their hands ... the impulse is to de-escalate," Lee added. "North Korea has been very good at playing this game -- nuclear diplomacy, even extortion -- for the past 20 years."

    This time around, foreign-policy watchers said, a confluence of circumstances have set the stage for Kim Jong Un's provocations:

    -- Pyongyang is stewing over the U.N. Security Council, with the support of China, tightening sanctions after satellite and nuclear testing that suggested they could one day attack the U.S.

    Jon Chol Jin / AP

    North Koreans punch the air during a rally at Kim Il Sung Square in downtown Pyongyang, North Korea, in support of their leader Kim Jong Un's call to arms.

    -- There are new administrations in South Korea, China and Tokyo, and President Barack Obama is making second-term changes to his defense and national-security leadership, so the timing is right to test the waters.

    -- Kim Jong Un may need to consolidate his political power at home. A strong response by the U.S. or South Korea, such as this week's B-2 bomber flyover, helps rally domestic support and distract from economic problems.

    -- North Korea's last nuclear test showed progress. "You feel you can afford to threaten because you feel you have a deterrent," said Scott Snyder, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. 

    Joel Wit, visiting fellow at the US-Korea Institute at Johns Hopkins University, said that from the North Korean perspective, Kim Jong Un and his lieutenants "aren't crazy" and are falling back on a tried-and-true strategy.


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    "They're a very small country dealing with much more powerful countries, and they can't show any weakness. For them, the best defense is a good offense," he said.

    Yet Snyder said Kim Jong Un's standing as a new, untested ruler is "the real wild-card factor that makes this different."

    The 30-year-old appears to be modeling himself on his grandfather, Kim Il Sung, who is more revered inside the country than the recently departed Kim Jong Il, he said.

    "But you have to remember that even though Kim Il Sung came into power in his 30s, the first thing he did was start a war with South Korea," Snyder said.

    Stephen Noerper, senior vice president of the Korea Society, noted that 2013 has special significance: it's the 60th anniversary of the armistice that ended that war.

    Kim Jong Un's decision to cut the hotline used to arrange cross-border crossing by workers with Seoul was "worrying," he said.

    KCNA via EPA

    North Korean leader Kim Jong Un at a meeting with his generals where he ordered strategic rocket forces to be on standby to strike U.S. and South Korean targets.

    "The wordage is hot and what you don't want is the evolution of a hot conflict," he said. "There should be heightened vigilance even if the expectation is that it will blow over."

    A hit on U.S. targets seems highly unlikely and would be "suicidal," Lee said. But South Korea and Japan are within striking distance, and many experts say it's not impossible that Kim Jong Un could act rashly.

    "While these weapons can't reach the U.S., it's an extremely tense situation, and wars don't always start logically," Wit said.

    Experts were waiting to see the actual impact of North Korea's "state of war" declaration early Saturday.

    "Talk is one thing, actions are another," Snyder said.

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    A lot of Koreans have an unpredictable personality type -- not just in North Korea either.

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  • 8
    Mar
    2013
    9:47pm, EST

    North Korea rejects UN demands, vows to become 'nuclear weapons state'

    After cancelling all non-aggression agreements with South Korea, North Korean officials continue to maintain that the country could carry out a preemptive nuclear strike against the U.S.

    By Jack Kim, Reuters
    SEOUL - North Korea formally rejected a U.N. Security Council resolution on Saturday that demands an end to its nuclear arms program, signaling it would defy international sanctions and pursue its goal of becoming a full-fledged nuclear weapons state.

    The Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea on Friday, tightening financial restrictions and cracking down on its attempts to transport banned cargo.

    The North's sole major ally China wants the sanctions fully implemented. The sanctions are designed to make punitive measures more like those used against Iran, which Western officials say have been surprisingly successful.


    The resolution, the fifth since 2006 aimed at stopping the North's nuclear and ballistic missile program, coincides with a sharp escalation of security tensions on the Korean peninsula after Pyongyang's third nuclear test on February 12.

    "The DPRK, as it did in the past, vehemently denounces and totally rejects the 'resolution on sanctions' against the DPRK, a product of the U.S. hostile policy toward it," the North's foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement.

    DPRK is short for the North's official name, the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

    Related: N. Korea threat of nuclear attack not easily dismissed

    The UN Security Council passes new sanctions on North Korea in the face of nuclear threats from the country's leaders. NBC's Kurt Gregory reports.

    "The world will clearly see what permanent position the DPRK will reinforce as a nuclear weapons state and satellite launcher as a result of the U.S. attitude of prodding the UNSC into cooking up the 'resolution.'" 

    The United States warned North Korea it will achieve nothing by repeating threats of provocative actions and will only drive itself deeper into international isolation.

    "The United States of America and our allies are prepared to deal with any threat and any reality that occurs in the world," U.S. Defence Secretary Chuck Hagel said ahead of his visit to Afghanistan on Friday. "We are aware of what's going on. We have partnerships in that part of the world that are important."

    North Korea defied international warnings and conducted a third nuclear test in February, setting off a device that yielded a stronger blast than its previous test in 2009. It claimed it had made progress in miniaturizing an atomic weapon.

    Experts are skeptical of such a claim, and the threat this week to attack the United States, seeing them more as an attempt to boost its security leverage in the face of deepening diplomatic isolation and growing military pressure from the United States and South Korea, which are conducting joint military drills to deter any armed aggression from Pyongyang.

    Experts believe the North is still years away from developing the capability to deliver a nuclear weapon to the United States but say it can strike South Korea or Japan using its short and medium-range missiles.

    North Korea has accused the United States of using military drills in South Korea as a launch pad for a nuclear war and declared on Tuesday it would scrap the armistice with Washington that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War.

    The two Koreas are technically at war because the armistice and not a formal peace treaty ended their 1950-53 conflict.

    South Korea and U.S. forces are conducting large-scale military drills until the end of April. The North is also gearing up for a massive state-wide military exercise.

    Pyongyang's soaring anti-American rhetoric is seen by experts as a ploy to be taken as a serious threat and to force Washington back to the negotiating table.

    A more likely option for Pyongyang than a full-scale conflict is to stage a series of clashes along a disputed frontier with the South, a sea border known as the Northern Limit Line, which has been the scene of previous clashes.

    Tensions on the Korean peninsula have growing since the sinking of a South Korean navy ship in March 2010 widely blamed on North Korea, although Pyongyang denies responsibility. The North in November that year bombed a South Korean island killing two civilians.

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    124 comments

    I think it is about time we just nuked North Korea out of existence. It would send a message to Iran. Be assured, North Korea will use its nuclear weapons when fully developed. Crush the bug while there is still time.

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  • 12
    Apr
    2012
    7:09pm, EDT

    North Korea rocket breaks up after much-touted launch

    NBC's Richard Engel describes how North Korean officials handled the failed rocket launch with the invited international press.

    By NBC News and msnbc.com staff

    PYONGYANG, North Korea -- North Korea's long-range rocket failed early Friday, U.S. officials said, calling it a blow for the reclusive state's propoganda efforts.

    The rocket broke up about 90 seconds after taking off, an official told NBC News.

    The rocket was launched from Tongchang-ri, on North Korea's west coast and flew about 75 miles, Japanese broadcaster NHK said.

    The South Korean army said rocket debris crashed off Kunsan, home to a U.S. air base on South Korea's west coast.


    NORAD, the North American Aerospace Defense Command, said the rocket's first stage fell into the sea and two other stages failed.

    There were no casualties nor was there any threat to anybody on land, U.S. officials told NBC News.

    "All indications are that it failed," one official said, adding that they are still looking into it.

    David Guttenfelder / AP

    North Korean press center workers are surrounded by international journalists trying to gather news on the launch inside a hotel press center Friday in Pyongyang, North Korea.

    The South Korean Defense Ministry announced that North Korea fired the long range rocket Friday morning around 7:39 a.m.

    U.S. officials said the launch was monitored by U.S. surveillance satellites, unmanned drones and six anti-missile U.S. Navy warships, NBC News reported. The rocket was also traced by powerful U.S. military radars at sea in the region and in Alaska, NBC News said.

    "Despite the failure of its attempted missile launch, North Korea’s provocative action threatens regional security, violates international law and contravenes its own recent commitments," the White House said Thursday night in a prepared statement. "North Korea is only further isolating itself by engaging in provocative acts, and is wasting its money on weapons and propaganda displays while the North Korean people go hungry."

    The launch, which North Korea's neighbors and the West said was a disguised ballistic missile test, was to take a three-stage rocket over a sea separating the Korean peninsula from China before releasing a weather satellite into orbit when the third stage was to fire over waters near the Philippines.

    Regional powers also worried the launch could be the prelude to another nuclear test, such as one the hermit state conducted in 2009.

    North Korea had announced it was planning the launch of an observation satellite to celebrate Sunday's centennial of the birth of Kim Il Sung, the country's late founder.

    Hours later, North Korea's state-run news agency said the satellite had failed to reach orbit, and that scientists were searching for a cause of the failure.

    "There is not a lot of information being disseminated at this point," said Richard Engel, NBC News' chief foreign correspondent, who is in North Korea. "But we did hear just a short while ago after the launch took place, after it was confirmed internationally, some martial music playing in the street, some fighter jets flying overhead. This is a national celebration time in North Korea and this rocket launch and this satellite launch, as the government describes it, is seen as a source of pride."

    Now led by 20-something Kim Jong-un, the third of his line to hold power, North Korea had planned to make 2012 the year in which it became a "strong and prosperous nation" and the launch was part of a program to burnish its credentials.

    North Korea's rocket had no impact on Japanese territory, Japanese Defense Minister Naoki Tanaka said.

    The United States, Britain, Japan and others have called the launch a violation of U.N. resolutions prohibiting North Korea from nuclear and ballistic missile activity.

    The U.S. earlier canceled food aid when North Korea announced the rocket test, despite Pyongyang's February agreement to suspend all tests in exchange for food, NBC News reported.

    U.S. military experts told NBC News that the best example of what the North Koreans were denied because of sanctions is advanced electronics for guidance systems, potententially contributing to the failure.

    U.S. officials also told NBC News the failed rocket launch was a propaganda effort.

    "That effort clearly failed and will have ramifications internally,'' an Obama administration official said.

    "This launch was also a chance for North Korea to showcase its military wares to prospective customers," the official said. "The failure will make those customers think twice before buying anything.''

    "Their efforts to draw attention to the program certainly seem to have backfired in this case," an official told NBC News. "Everyone will be watching closely to see how the government handles this first real test."

    US officials say an attempted rocket launch in North Korea ended in failure when the rocket broke up shortly after launch. NBC's Bob Windrem reports.

     

    Earlier Thursday, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said after meeting with Group of Eight foreign ministers that the U.S. would go to the U.N. Security Council to seek action. U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice is the rotating president of the Security Council and controls when to call a meeting.

    The U.N. Security Council planned to meet 10 a.m. EDT Friday to discuss the launch, diplomats said.

    Rep. Howard P. "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said, "Predictably, diplomatic overtures with North Korea have failed once more, and now an avowed enemy of freedom, with a new and unpredictable leadership, possesses nuclear weapons and is testing their capability to strike long-range targets, including the American homeland."

    He called for more investment in U.S. national missile defenses.

    This article includes reporting by The Associated Press and Reuters.

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    1073 comments

    Okay N Korea, you better not do that again! This is our last warning untill next time.

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  • 11
    Apr
    2012
    6:03pm, EDT

    Report: North Korea launches rocket

    NBC's Richard Engel reports from Pyongyang, North Korea, ahead of the launch.

    By msnbc.com staff and news services

    Update, 4 p.m EDT Thursday: North Korea launched a long-range rocket early Friday, South Korea's YTN television said, according to a Reuters report.

    --

    PYONGYANG, North Korea -- North Korea is unlikely to conduct its planned long-range rocket launch on Thursday due to weather conditions, Japan's Kyodo news agency said, citing a government source.

    "The weather is poor, and it is now past the launch time given, so there will probably be no launch," Kyodo quoted an unnamed government source as saying.

    On Wednesday, an official told Western journalists that fuel was being injected into its controversial experimental rocket "as we speak."

    If all goes to plan, the launch, which North Korea's neighbors and the West say is a disguised ballistic missile test, will take a three-stage rocket over a sea separating the Korean peninsula from China before releasing a satellite into orbit when the third stage fires over waters near the Philippines.

    Regional powers also worry it could be the prelude to another nuclear test, a pattern the hermit state set in 2009.


    "We don't really care about the opinions from the outside. This is critical in order to develop our national economy," said Paek Chang-ho, head of the satellite control center at the Korean Committee of Space Technology, on Wednesday.

    Once the refueling has been completed, the North Koreans will have to inject chemicals into the rocket which cause corrosion, which means the firing could come on Thursday, at the start of a five-day window announced already by Pyongyang.

    Weather conditions on the peninsula also appear to favor a launch on Thursday or Saturday, according to meteorological reports from Japanese television.

    Time Magazine's Jim Frederick discusses how North Korea's rocket launch is reminiscent of the North Korea of the past, and says how the launch violates U.N. rules on missile tests.

    The launch of the Unha-3 rocket, which North Korea says will merely put a weather satellite into space, breaches U.N. sanctions imposed to prevent Pyongyang from developing a missile that could carry a nuclear warhead.

    N.Koreans desperate for Western approval of launch

    James Oberg, a former rocket scientist with the U.S. space shuttle mission control who is in North Korea, said the rocket was not a weapon, but "98 percent of a weapon", requiring more technology, although not much.

    This is the third long-range rocket test by North Korea. It says its second succeeded in putting a satellite into orbit in 2009, although independent experts say it failed.

    The firing coincides with the 100th birthday celebrations of the founder of North Korea, Kim Il-sung, whose young, untested grandson, Kim Jong-un, now rules. Kim Il-sung died in 1994.

    At a national conference of the ruling Workers' Party, Kim Jong-un was named first secretary, a new post created to give him the official stature to head the state where his grandfather remains "eternal president."

    His father was also named party general secretary for eternity at the conference, the North's KCNA news agency said.

    The Council on Foreign Relations' Richard Haass discusses North Korea's recent moves.

    Paek, briefing foreign journalists in the North Korean capital of Pyongyang, declined to comment on the launch date.

    "As for the exact timing of the launch, it will be decided by my superiors", Paek said.

    South Korea, which remains technically at war with the North after their 1950-53 conflict ended with a truce rather than a peace treaty, warned Pyongyang it would deepen its isolation if it went ahead with the launch.

    Security sources in Seoul, citing satellite images, have said that North Korea, which walked out of "six-party" disarmament talks three years ago, is also preparing a third nuclear test following the launch, something it did in 2009 and a move bound to trigger further condemnation and isolation.

    South Korea holds parliamentary elections on Wednesday, although the rocket does not appear to have been a major issue with voters more concerned about job security.

    U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warned that history pointed to "additional provocations" from North Korea after the launch, an apparent reference to a nuclear test.

    "This launch will give credence to the view that North Korean leaders see improved relations with the outside world as a threat to their system," she told cadets at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland.

    "And recent history strongly suggests that additional provocations may follow."

    She also called on China to do more to ensure regional stability.

    China, impoverished North Korea's only major ally, on Wednesday reiterated its pleas for calm and said all sides should make efforts to establish peace in the region.

    Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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    We have to be the most paranoid nation in history. We can destroy the entire world a thousand times over yet we still act like every nation that we don't like is a threat. Our list of paranoia is long. Since I have been alive we have been told to fear Grenada. Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan,Iran,Lybia,Bo …

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  • 25
    Mar
    2012
    9:32pm, EDT

    Obama: US has 'moral obligation' to lead in reducing nuclear stockpiles

    Susan Walsh / AP

    President Barack Obama speaks at Hankuk University in Seoul, South Korea, March 26. Obama discussed his Prague agenda to stop the spread of nuclear weapons and seek the peace and security of a world without them.

    By NBC's Shawna Thomas

    Updated 12:35 a.m. ET: SEOUL – President Barack Obama’s speech at a university that prides itself on diversity and “producing numerous CEO’s and outstanding diplomats” was billed as an update to his comprehensive nuclear energy and nuclear security agenda he set forth in Prague in 2009.

    However, even with strong words directed towards North Korea, his commitment to as one White House source put it, “reduce America's nuclear weapons and the role they play in our national security strategy” could prove to be fodder for his Republican rivals back in the states. 


    The president said he believes the United States has a “moral obligation” to act and lead the world in reducing nuclear stockpiles.  He continued, “I say this as president of the only nation ever to use nuclear weapons.  I say it as a Commander-in-Chief who knows that our nuclear codes are never far from my side.  Most of all, I say it as a father, who wants my two young daughters to grow up in a world where everything they know and love can’t be instantly wiped out.”

    He announced that when he meets with Russian President-elect Vladimir Putin in May he plans on discussing taking steps so that both Russia and the United States reduce, “not only our strategic nuclear warheads, but also tactical weapons and warheads in reserve.”  The president said such a step would have never been taken before.  It is also a step that is sure to be pounced upon by rivals who already see the reductions he is calling for in defense spending as a sign of weakness.

    The president also boasted about steps taken in the last few years to “reduce the number and role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy” and derided the Cold War stockpiles as being ill-suited for combating the type of terrorism America faces.

    But while pushing a message that the United States has to lead the world on reducing nuclear weapons and materials throughout the world, he took time to speak directly to Pyongyang about the choice the North Korean leaders have if they continue to provoke South Korea and the rest of the world.

    Obama: North Korean rocket test would isolate regime

    Echoing his comments from a press conference yesterday he said, “your provocations and pursuit of nuclear weapons have not achieved the security you seek; they have undermined it. Instead of the dignity you desire, you're more isolated.”

    He continued, “There will be no rewards for provocations.  Those days are over.  To the leaders of Pyongyang I say, this is the choice before you.  This is the decision that you must make.  Today we say, Pyongyang, have the courage to pursue peace and give a better life to the people of North Korea.”

    President Obama visited the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea and said China should rein in its communist neighbor. NBC's Kristen Welker reports.

    The reports that North Korea has moved a long-range rocket to a launch pad this weekend, that could be used to carry a nuclear weapon is just the latest provocation that strained new talks between the US and North Korea.

    And once again the president seemed to call for the North Koreans to call for a different way of life:

    “This much is true:  The currents of history cannot be held back forever.  The deep longing for freedom and dignity will not go away.  So, too, on this divided peninsula.  The day all Koreans yearn for will not come easily or without great sacrifice.  But make no mistake, it will come.”

    Obama calls Korean DMZ 'Freedom's frontier'

    The speech at Hankuk University comes right before President Obama is scheduled to meet with the leaders of Russia and China where the thorny issues of North Korea, Syria and Iran are expected to be discussed.  Later in the day he will attend the beginning of the international Nuclear Security Summit. The summit includes 53 countries and four international organizations that have pledged a commitment to securing nuclear materials around the world.

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    The biggest threat is our national debt. Why attack with nuclear weapons when you can buy us cheap at Uncle Sam's Estate sale. The cost of maintaining our nuclear stockpile is negligible compared to the cost of out bankrupt social programs.

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  • 20
    Mar
    2012
    9:39pm, EDT

    Obama to visit Korea DMZ Sunday ahead of nuclear weapons summit

     

    By msnbc.com staff and news services

    Jeon Heon-Kyun/Pool / EPA

    South Korean soldiers stand guard at the Military Demarcation Line in the Demilitarized Zone that separates the two Koreas since the Korean War, in the border village Panmunjom in Gyeonggi-do, South Korea.

    President Barack Obama, seeking to increase pressure on North Korea to abandon its atomic weapons, will visit the Demilitarized Zone on South Korea's tense border on Sunday before a nuclear security summit in Seoul.

    Obama's visit to the border will be a strong show of support for South Korea, the White House said on Tuesday, sending a message to the North as Washington builds an international effort to get stalled nuclear disarmament talks back on track.


    North Korea will not attend the summit, where Obama will meet with Chinese President Hu Jintao and urge him to use Beijing's long-standing influence with Pyongyang, where leadership has recently passed to Kim Jong-un.

    "We certainly hope and recommend that China bring all the instruments of power to bear to influence the decision-making in North Korea," said Daniel Russel, White House National Security Council senior director for Asia.

    Ben Rhodes, deputy national security adviser, said the trip has two purposes for Obama.

    "The first is the focus he has put on nuclear security along with non-proliferation since the beginning of his time in office," Rhodes said. "And the second is, of course, our increased focus on the Asia Pacific as a region of great importance to the United States."

    Obama will meet with U.S. troops at the DMZ during the trip, his third to South Korea in three years, White House officials said.

    Secretive North Korea has twice tested a nuclear device, and the United States says its long-range ballistic missile program is progressing quickly.

    While experts doubt North Korea has the ability to miniaturize an atomic bomb to place atop a warhead, last year Washington warned that the American mainland could come under threat from North Korean missiles within five years.

    Last month, North Korea reached an agreement with Washington to suspend nuclear tests, long-range missile launches and uranium enrichment as part of a deal to restart food aid, but then announced it would launch a rocket carrying a satellite to mark the centenary of founder Kim Il-sung's birth next month.

    The United States has said this plan could violate the nuclear moratorium deal and scuttle the resumption of food aid.

    This article includes reporting by Reuters.

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    so obama plans a trip to the dmz .... hmmmm, interesting....countless times he's been asked to visit the border here in az and he's never interested

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